| Author | Message | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 187 Registered: 3-2003 |
License plate holder, I'd guess. Fortunately not required in Tennessee. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2526 Registered: 10-2002 |
What is a front end bracket?  | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 702 Registered: 2-2002 |
Next time, mount a stars and bars plate on your front end bracket and see what happens. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 172 Registered: 3-2002 |
My take on this is who cares what happens at the local car show. I have no problem with people not knowing what my car is. About the last thing I want is parking my car in some field next to a Plymouth Duster and/or Corvette and having people who know nothing about foreign cars making an attempt at judging it. I am happy to fly below the radar and I don't feel the need to try and educate the masses about the Ferrari marque. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1208 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hey Frank, do you remember a band called The Hounds from the late 70's early 80s? They played around Chicago a lot... I live in Arlington Heights BTW | ||
| Collin Hays (Chaysintexas)
Junior Member Username: Chaysintexas Post Number: 145 Registered: 4-2002 |
I had a similar experience at a local car show with my near-mint 308GTSi. More attention than any at the show, but didn't place in the top 50. Best advice I can give is this: next time, enter your car as a Fiero kit. Sure winner! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 3047 Registered: 9-2001 |
About 10 years ago I organized a car show for my daughters high school drama dept. to make some money they needed for props. I invited several Ferrari friends of mine to bring their cars. John Apen brought his concours 250 Tour de France and entered it in the sports car class. Judging was done by popular vote. He lost to a 1986 Camaro Z28. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 263 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've got that album on vinyl!!!!! | ||
| Jaime T. Ferraris are sex on wheels (Chevarri)
Junior Member Username: Chevarri Post Number: 201 Registered: 1-2003 |
"all that we are trying to say/do is bring some variety to these shows." No, but this is what ppl think you do. "I'm gonna get up Sunday morning. Dust off the Ferrari. Take it to a car show. Automatically win a trophy. Then,put it back in the garage and put he cover back on it" Thats why ppl dont vote for exotics, many ppl think that all did was buy the car, drive it once a few mos, wash it and put it away. As the ppl in the know know,"its easy to buy a new car and put it in a show, anybody can do that." Thats how many if not all the ppl attend shows think of when they see a Ferrari or other exotic. Sure its something special , but they have more respect for the the Bel-Air that was a basket case, and or was in need of a total restoration. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 469 Registered: 8-2003 |
One more thing,Arlie. You can't keep those babies away from view. Gotta find Jim "Dandy" Mangrum,and see about getting them made into a tape or dvd or something. There's alot of Black Oak fans out there (here) who would LOVE to have a copy of that! And,without Jim Dandy,DLR would have never existed as he did in his original form. He'd have just been,"Dave" from the start! | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 262 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hmmmmm, a Hooter's girl might make a good Ferrari spray bottle girl, if you can find one old enough to know what a Ferrari is! I'll have to make one of those Chicago shows. Good luck! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 468 Registered: 8-2003 |
THAT is cool! The first rock concert that I ever saw was in 1974-I was 14. It was Bad Company,OPENING up for the headlining,Black Oak Arkansas. Tix were $5.50,$6.50,and $7.50,back then! Most younger people never even heard of Black Oak Arkansas. But,in those days,they were one of the top 5 selling artists,in the WORLD! And,David Lee Roth was a direct copy of Jim Dandy. Also,last time that I saw Jackyl,here in Chicago,they were playing BOA's version of "Dixie" on the P.A.,after the show.I think that Jesse James Dupree would sound GREAT covering some old BOA tunes,like "Hot Rod","Hot and Nasty",etc... And,out of BOA,came Tommy Aldridge. One of the greatest rock drummers of all time,who's played with;Black Oak Arkansas,Pat Travers,Ozzy Osbourne,Ted Nugent,and Whitesnake. We just saw Whitesnake and Ted this past year,and Tommy was drumming. Unfortunately,the time that I actually met Jim Dandy,who,by the way,is a friend of Bill Clinton. They only had Jim,and Ricky Reynolds left in the band,and they were playing at a small rock club in the Chicago 'burbs. So,thats how I got to meet him. I introduced myself,then I said,"Jim,I've been a fan of yours from '74,and would like to do a shot of Jack with ya!". And,he said,obligingingly,in that gravelly voice,"Well,alright,Frank,we could do that!". We did the shots,and he said,"Hey,man,you want an autograped picture or something?"and ofcourse I said,"Sure!" so,he went backstage and found some promo pix and signed one for me. He saw how greatful that I was,and said,"What else can I get for you?". "How about a guitar pick?" And,once again,I said "Sure!" That was the last time,out of 5,that I saw them. And,that was back in '84. So,I always wondered what happened to them. They were one of the first,Southern Rock bands out there,and had 3 guitars,bass,drums,and,Jim,playing his "washboard". So,they had a really FULL sound. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1207 Registered: 10-2001 |
Crawford, thanks! G huh? Interesting; the song is in A and I just drop the high E to a D. It works fine except for the two solos, and that's where I really need the correct tuning. I can see I'll be learning the song all over again! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1522 Registered: 5-2002 |
Frank said: "I did a shot of Jack with Jim Dandy of Black Oak Arkansas. He gave me an autographed picture and a BOA guitar pick." I work for a TV station here in Little Rock, Arkansas. Back about 1981, Black Oak Arkansas did a concert down by the Arkansas River. Some group got together with big dreams and hired our production crew to videotape the concert. About 4 hours of video from various cameras. The dreamers never ACTUALLY paid for the production fees, so they never got their videotapes. They laid around inside a closet in the back room for 15 years or so, then were headed for the dumpster one day during a big cleaning session. I saved them. They're stashed away with all my junk through the years. So if Jim Dandy ever comes "to the rescue" and hits it big again someday, I could make a few bucks. Too bad it wasn't an Elvis concert or The Beatles. | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 186 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ken, "In my time of dying" is actually in open G. D-G-D-G-A-D (low to high). Did you know that JP Jones actually came up with that riff (as well as the riff of Black Dog)? Supposedly the first few bars of "In My time" are played on a lap steel guitar. I know most all of the ZEP catalog (weird tunings and all). You can find the TAB of most songs on the web. The song that really stumped me for a while was "When the Levee Breaks". Found out it is in open "F"; then it became all clear! Meeting Pagey was really fun. Got to sit down with him for about 20 minutes in a hotel bar. Extremely nice and polite fellow. Then Robert Plant sits down with us - I should have had a picture taken then, too! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 456 Registered: 8-2003 |
I only have a picture of my wife and myself with Alice Cooper,and Steve Wilkos,from The Jerry Springer show. Missed a great opportunity a few years back. Brad Whitford and Tom Hamilton from Aerosmith were at a local,"Chevy/Vettefest" show in Chicago. Walking around like nothing. Brad had his wife and he was pushing a stroller with a little one in it. I was really shocked that I was the only guy,out of,literally,thousands,that found them out. They were very gracious and shook my hand,signed an autograph,and talked about (their)music for a few minutes. But,ofcourse,one of those times that I failed to bring a camera along! And,this doesn't count,but this past July,when we were in Phoenix/Scottsdale,AZ. Britny Spears was eating breakfast at the table next to us.(la dee da) And,about 20 years ago. I did a shot of Jack with Jim Dandy of Black Oak Arkansas. He gave me an autographed picture and a BOA guitar pick. Drank Beer with the Romantics,once. And,with The Misfits(Glen Danzig)once. Had Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedy's stage dive on to me,once. He's a little guy,and I passed him back. Met the Ramones twice. Shook David Johansen(New York Dolls/Buster Poindexter)had,once. Wayne Newton's once.thats all my "claims to fame" for now! | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1206 Registered: 10-2001 |
Crawford, you lucky dog! I know about 95% of all Led Zeppelin on guitar; and lots of variations from the live releases as well. I'd KILL to meet Jimmy Page if just to show me the open tuning of "In My Time Of Dying"!!! Some kind of open A with a dropped D... | ||
| Tod Whitmore (Tod)
Junior Member Username: Tod Post Number: 57 Registered: 7-2003 |
Andreas, I think we need that for us in the Chicago area, some Ferrari Spray bottle girls. Dress them in a red bikini. give them a bottle of Meguires instant detail spray and a towel. They could just hang around our cars during these car shows and keep them clean and smile for the judges.... As Bob was saying below, we all in the Chicago area have been to a number of car shows and cruise nights around the area and you see the good old boys club. One car in perticular i always see is a blue pontiac sunbird, no mods, just a blue painted engine. He sets a bunch of 3rd place trophies on the engine with some pictures. I almost took a picture of it for amusment sake, but didn't want to waste memory in my camera. At least i got 1st place for my 328 at our one big car show last month, Bob got 2nd with his 308 and i think 3rd went to a Jaguar. So, the two Ferraris in the show got a trophy for the Import Class. But as it's been said below, it's just fun to go hang out with friends at these shows, even though our Chicago gang would rather be spending time on our cruises we do.... Much better than sitting all day at a car show... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2496 Registered: 10-2002 |
Spray Bottle Girl, hmmm? The Chicago events are often held at the local Hooters. I wonder whether I couldn't combine one with the other... | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 1096 Registered: 2-2002 |
Isn't that Bill Hart?????? | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 184 Registered: 3-2003 |
Did somebody mention Jimmy Page?? Always looking for an excuse to post this picture :-) Guess which one is me!  | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 258 Registered: 12-2002 |
It just occurred to me to share this one. At the annual AIA Sandcastle Competition we have in Galveston, popular vote by sign up sheets determines the winner. So almost every team (80-100) has a "Spray Bottle Girl" Once these huge wet sand sculptures are completed and voting/judging begins, her job is to oil up in a thong and flit around the sculpture streeetching and leaning and bending over spraying water. Absolutely an essential part of any championship effort!!!!!!! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 455 Registered: 8-2003 |
Ken. you know what else is really funny? I thought that,too,about the "Ferrari guys". I've owned my 308 for 3 years.Also,own,and have owned several 'vettes. I just got into the Ferrari "scene" though,this past year. I thought that I was going to be with a bunch of snobs. But,it is exactly the opposite! The Ferrari guys are very cool. Really down to earth bunch of guys. Absolutely,no "airs" put on. At least,with our local,Chicago group. And,I am finding,though that the "vette guys" are starting to get snobby. especially the guys with the mid-year,C-2 cars.('63-'67) And,out of them,ESPECIALLY the guys with '67 427/435 cars. They think that they sh*t gold bars or something! Go figure! No,all of the Ferrari guys that I've actually met,(not spoken to,or talked to on FChat) are ,and have been really cool guys. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 454 Registered: 8-2003 |
Cool! We ARE on the same page! (Jimmy,that is!) | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1205 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frank, I know you didn't mean that just showing up in an F car should win; but I know a lot of people THINK that's what F car owners think and they have some resentment. BTW; I'm 44 and also played in metal bands in another life! Lots of Priest, Sabbath, mostly originals though. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 452 Registered: 8-2003 |
And...one LAST comment. (I just ran out to pick-up my daughter from school) Anyway. I think that it was misinterpreted as to our initial posts about the car shows. We are not as shallow as to think that,"I'm gonna get up Sunday morning. Dust off the Ferrari. Take it to a car show. Automatically win a trophy. Then,put it back in the garage and put the cover back on it". That was not what we were saying. In my posts,I was simply a little surprised,thats all. I mean,you see,literally hundreds of Toyota Camry's and whatever else thay make,(I don't follow the Toyota models,so I must be in the minority,seeing as our patriotic nation has just made Toyota the #1 car company in America)Or,Honda Civics and Preludes and whatever else they make. But,rarely see a Ferrari,or other "Exotic". And,just because they put on different wheels,a coffee can muffler,and some stickers,doesn't make THAT a showcar,either. Sure,there are a few that have really exotic turbo's,nitrous,and superchargers. $10,000.00 paint jobs,etc...But,cars like that weren't at this particular show. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 451 Registered: 8-2003 |
And... I can't believe that I actually saw 2 Lotus Europa's out on the road,just driving,in Phoenix,AZ. this past summer! I NEVER see any of those up here anymore.(midwest) | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 450 Registered: 8-2003 |
And,one more thing. You and I both Know,and can appreciate old,rare exotics. WE know. But,the average person attending a carshow,doesn't. I mean,I know about Lotus Europas-very cool cars. I used to have a neighbor that had 3 Porsche 914's. One was a "T" and had the 6 in it. He also had a 928,and a Delorean. At that time,I had an admiral blue,'95 LT1 'vette. An '81 'vette with a 383 stroker(550hp) 2400 stall. 4:88 rear-end. And a '75 Vette convertible,which I was going to restore. My (ex) wife,at the time,"chastised" both him and me for having so many cars. She said that both of our houses looked like "Hillbilly Houses" I told her that at least they weren't a bunch of old rusted out pick-up trucks! She had no clue as to the "significance" of our cars...one of the (many) reasons that she and I are no longer married! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 449 Registered: 8-2003 |
O.K.,Ken.I think that were now both on the same page! No,we certainly did not "expect" to win any show. I NEVER expect to win when I enter my car in a carshow. I ONLY do it for fun. Thats all! But,we were "surprised?" maybe,that with all the attention that we get on the road with our cars,that there wasn't more,I don't know,appreciation,maybe? Then,you DO know how it is when you own a rare,exotic car. People go nuts,when you are on the road. The cars that I was "up against" were a very plain,drab,beige old 1960's Datsun,1600,I think. Very drab and very plain. But...it had a frame off resto.pictures of that resto. other trophys,photos,all kinds of other,"clutter',that,personally,I don't feel that you need. The car should "speak for itself",so to speak. Then,thre was a couple ricerocket type cars,with all sorts of graphics,stickers,too much chrome,and goop! They won,too. And,I suppose If I,or anyone else wanted to put all of that gaudy crap all over our cars,then,we'd have a better chance on winning,too. But,ofcourse,with a Ferrari,or any other rare,exotic car,we're NOT gonna do that to our car. I mean,not all cars were all gobbed out in chrome goo. There were a few old,clean original cars there,too. that won prizes. A clean,original,say '74 Challenger,would be only a few years older than a clean,original 308. Whats the difference? Both are old. Both are clean. Both are original. The difference is that people grew up SEEING the old Dodge,and not the Ferrari. And,as I mentioned in a previous post. MOST people thought that my '81 was a NEW car! So,they didn't even KNOW why it was there,other than it was a seldom seen,Exotic Italian sportscar. They didn't KNOW that it was also there,because it is 22 years old,and in very clean,original condition for it's age,and for the type of car that it is. So,THAT is what we are talking about,here. And,THAT is why my other Ferrari owner friends are so interested in getting our cars in theses shows,and getting them noticed for what they ARE. And,were kind of surprised that after getting all the attention on the street all the time,the car didn't "win" anything. If there were more seperate classes in the "Import" section,then,it would make it easier for people to differentiate between the "Imports" and not just "clump them all together". Because,just like American cars. There are European,and Asian import cars,that are significally different. Like,the difference between a '57 Chevy, a '69 YENKO camaro, a '92 Taurus,or a '97 Grand Am. And,no,I wasn't "preaching". I just type really fast,and don't separate my paragraphs,and it's all lumped together,and comes out like a big,verbal(printed?) assault! Sorry! Actually,I am a very mellow,easy going guy. And when I am on the 'puter,am usually in my sweats,relaxing,cup of coffee,feet up. Just taking it easy. Glad to have "chatted" with you! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 448 Registered: 8-2003 |
Now THAT,my friend,is TRUE! I am an old metal head. Was "weaned" on all that good sh*t since late '60's,early '70's. I even "played guitar in a long haired,rock and roll band",as the great,Alice Cooper once sang (and still does! Thankfully) And LOVE the new stuff that keeps coming out. So,I suppose that you are right,but,right now,85 year old gramps only wants to hear Woody Herman,and stuff like that! But,it's kind of funny,and,you can tell that I am gettin' old,when I hear teenage boys call Ozzy,and all that '80's "HairMetal Band" stuff,"old guy music!" Never thought that I'd EVER hear that! Hee Hee Hee! | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1204 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frank, you're preaching to the choir. I have a 1972 Lotus Europa TC that I've spent the cost of a beater 308 restoring. So I get hit with the double whammy: losing to less interesting cars (to me) in shows plus I've done as much or more work than the rice rocket crowd. The fact I don't get a lot of votes is most often political as has been mentioned; I don't bring enough friends! My car draws big interest, but few votes. Like a Ferrari, my car gathers a crowd everywhere I go (I drive it almost every day) and it's way, way more rare than a 308. It too is a race car, in fact they are still being raced and winning in ASP. I have taken my car to auto shows to lose to the less exotic and less interesting. I understand it. I lost to a showroom new Esprit with cool paint once. If I wanted to win car shows, I'd buy a show car. I have the Lotus because it's the best handling car you can buy under $100k, it's a fun challenge to keep it in top condition, and if other's like it, that's icing on the cake. My point only was that just because it's a "Ferrari" OR "Lotus", or "Lamborghini", one shouldn't expect prizes for owning it. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1659 Registered: 8-2001 |
50 years from now, playing Iron Maiden at grandpa's 85th birthday wouldn't be too odd. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 447 Registered: 8-2003 |
LOL,Crawford! was thinking the same thing(Capaccino and biscotti) also thought about getting some of those licorice "Snaps" candy-candy coated licorice bites that come in green,white,red/pink,and orange. And,take out the orange ones so that they resemble the Italian Flag colors. But,do you think that Billy Bob would know the significance of that? At this last show,I put a small Italian flag,and German flag,on my dash,to signify the Michael Schumacher,german driving an Italian car thing,as I am mostly german heritage and drive a Ferrari.But,not one person knew what in the hell I was trying to say there! But,at a Ferrari show,it would have been the other way around,with maybe only a few who wouldn't .(and,who would appreciate the capaccino and biscotti ! ) It's like playing Iron Maiden at Grandpa's 85th birthday party! Two TOTALLY different things. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 446 Registered: 8-2003 |
No.Ken.I don't think that any of us said that we didn't like old muscle cars or hotrods. I don't know how old you are. But,I am in my 40's. I had alot of very cool muscle cars when I was younger- A '66 GTO,'72'cuda,'74 roadrunner,'67 chevelle,A couple of camaro's,7 Corvettes,and many more. But,the point is ,here is, that in our area,it's the SAME EXACT cars that go around from show to show that win. And,yes,THAT is exactly WHAT they are...Show cars! No argument there! But,in the 30 something years that I've been attending cars shows,personally,have grown quite "jaded" with the same old,same old. And,so have alot of other people. Even my 6 year old son has already! I hear people saying it AT these car shows! How many chromed out 350 small blocks can you look at in 30 years! Yes,after a while,they ALL LOOK THE SAME!!! And,all that we are trying to say/do is bring some variety to these shows. Thats all. At alot of these shows,geez,how many '67 chevelles can you look at...all the same...all have THE SAME chromed out Chevy motor. Which I do like,and have owned SEVERAL. Or,'66 GTO's,'57Chevys...on and on and on. The same OLD cars. Which,yes,are VERY COOL. but... And,do you own a Ferrari? If you do,then,you know what we are talking about when we take ours out for a drive. EVERYBODY looks,stares,turns,cranes their neck,to see a Ferrari. When we are out driving. EVERY SINGLE TIME. We get some young guys speeding up behind us,weaving in and out of traffic,putting their lives,and the lives of others in jeopardy,JUST to get close and SEE a real Ferrari up close.(which,by the way,I don't condone. So,save the dramatic "quotes") If you had a Ferrari,then you'd know what we are talking about. And,yes,a stock Ferrari IS a VERY special car in it's own right. They ARE rare cars,that people do NOT see every day,and are more "important",to us,anyway,than some old car with alot of chrome and a flashy paint job. A Ferrari is the closest thing to a real racecar,for the street,that you will find,from the factory. And,there's a big difference in "pouring" money into a bunch of chrome parts and a fancy-schmancy paintjob,than there is having a car that is thisclose to being a real race car...out of the factory! Isn't that the reason that you are even on FChat? Because you feel the same way about Ferrari's? Or are you one of those who have nothing better to do,and want to rip them? If you want to "rip" anybody about "crashing" the car shows,rip the people who go out and buy a new P.T.Cruiser,(my wife has one,but doesn't enter it in car shows)And try to be "part of the car club,or car show gang" with no other work or effort involved other than going out and buying a car then trying to compete in car shows. I HAD a bunch of old muscle cars. I put all that chrome goo on them too. Been there,done that. People go gagagoogoo over Exotic cars. And,the fact that they ARE rare,OLD,and Exotic,alone,DOES make them special. And,all we are saying is that,here we are. Trying to inject some new,fresh blood into these carshows. We've seen you all looking,following our cars. So,now,we're bringing them here for you to get a good look at,so you don't have to kill yourself or anyone else trying to drive up and see one on the road. Thats all! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6496 Registered: 12-2000 |
Another thing, most of these are participant voting. Muscle car guys vote for muscle cars. I'm usually in the 80's class and get beat by a Grand National, although that is a pretty cool car. Also, it makes me sick, but there's much politics. You wait until last second and enter classes that aren't as populated. You then exchange votes with as many friends as you can. So it's never about your car, just how many friends you have at the show vs. your competitor. I don't see why anyone gets so excited about the trophies in the first place as they are worthless and meaningless. Happens at Ferrari shows too. A few weeks ago we had a 275 GTS and a 330 GTC beat a $1 mil.+ Drogo bodied SWB. | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 183 Registered: 3-2003 |
I've got a great CD called "Open Pipe Symphony" that has nothing but the sounds of various F-1 cars thru the ages. I play the CD at car shows and people don't know where sound is coming from. I swear it sounds like there's an F-1 race going on somewhere in the distance! Getting ready for the next show: I've downloaded a 1986 328 window sticker and will be mounting that on a plexiglass stand in the engine well. I think I may even get a mirror so everyone can admire the Tubi. Guess I'll grease up the tires 'til I can see my reflection, and make up a poster telling all 'bout my Fear-ari (as somebody called it at the last show). I've got other crap from the FCA's goody package at the inaugural 2000 Indy GP. Seat cushions with the Ferrari logo and cavallino rapante, laminated race tickets, hats, etc. Guess I'll bring all that stuff!! And I'll need to find a Giallo 328 1/18 scale... Maybe hand out free biscotti & capaccino?? Don't know if I'll have much chance of winning; my class will be production imports 1900-2001. Well, they are handing out 3 places... | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1202 Registered: 10-2001 |
Two thoughts. First, there's taste. Most people in the US like muscle cars a LOT more than high revving exotics. That's just the way it is. Second, I think Ferraris do badly because in these particular shows because they don't deserve to win!! The rice rockets and muscle cars are not stock cars that the owners polish. These cars represent hundreds of man hours in work. Misguided work in our eyes with the chrome, wings, coffee can exhaust, etc., but this IS AN ART FORM!!! These people are artists, like it or not. They work hard to get them the way they are and there IS a method to the madness. You drive your 308 up and people go, "Cool, a Ferrari" but they're not going to give you an award for buying a Ferrari and driving it to a car show!! Now, if you entered a 308 with 20 other exotics....yes, now you might deserve to win. You will be rewarded for the correct parts, clean engine compartment, complete and correct tools, etc. You may well deserve to win in this kind of a show. So you may not like muscle cars or rice rockets; I know I don't, but I also know enough not to get bummed when they win the awards. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1657 Registered: 8-2001 |
I was surprised that I won 2 prizes with my 360 at events I didn't bother to try. But the event I "worked" hard for, the local big italian car show back in 2001, I didn't get anything. Had the only 360 there and in an unusual color scheme (Nero/Bourdeax). Needless to say, it grabbed a ton of attention (apparently not the voting kind). No trophy to show for it and got some nice scratches from some girl laying on the front hood so her boyfriend/husband could take a picture. I was away and that situation was pointed out to me by a fellow FCA member. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 444 Registered: 8-2003 |
Yes. When I go to any car shows,I am just going to have a nice time. I am never in it to try to win it. It's nice,but not neccessary. I got a little bit spoiled,though,last year at the Oakbrook show. It was the very first time that I ever even entered my Ferrari in ANY show. And,I won 2nd place in my class! I was really thrilled,as it was completely unexpected. But,this year,they did not give out anything other than a first place trophy. And,after getting the 2nd last year,was a little bit disappointed,as I,and everyone else,put in alot of effort to help make the show what it was. And,to provide alot of cars for the paying public to see. We paid to enter our car. Put in alot of time and effort to polish and clean our cars. Then,spent about 8 hours there...which is a LONG day for anyone,but,especially for a guy like me with bad back problems. Maybe a little token of appreciation,or memento would be nice...maybe even a dashplaque. Hopefully,next year they'll go back to having a 1st,2nd,and 3rd place. Especially,since these shows(the Ferrari shows) are about the best bet for a car like ours to win anything. Otherwise,I'm painting my car a bright,lime green metalflake-the BIG,1960's style metalflake. Putting some Cragar S.S. wheels on. Jacking up the back,and putting some big,wide tires on it. Maybe,some fake,"chrome zoomies" sticking out of the sides. A big ass hood scoop. A leopard skin interior,with lots and lots of chrome and neon EVERYWHERE. Some GIANT speakers,with a 1000 watt stereo.(did I forget anything?) THEN...maybe I'll win at the local car shows. And,you know whats REALLY funny? A Ferrari that DID actually look like that WOULD probably win at those kind of car shows!! Go figger! | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 800 Registered: 9-2001 |
When it's owners voting we have little chance of winning unless a lot of your friends are there with you, spectator voting gives a better chance just on the fact a Ferrari isn't something they see everyday. Most cruise nights have the owner/ manager make the choice, if you go to a lot at the same place you will win because they what you back with more of your friends, more of a thank you than an award. I go to many of these just to hang out with my buddies. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2485 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jim, knowing that, I will never feel bad. Thanks! Kinda sums it up. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2731 Registered: 10-2002 |
My MK-IV won a trophy at Pebble but lost to a replica at a local car show. Go figure. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1654 Registered: 8-2001 |
Entering a car show with a newer car doesn't help your cause either. Unless you're driving an Enzo. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 437 Registered: 8-2003 |
Yes,I had my 308 at a local car show this past weekend(what Andreas is talking about) and am the one that got beat out by a 1960's Datsun,and a couple of Supertuner ricerocket mobiles. My car got alot of attention. Everyone is like, "WOW! A Ferrari!" but,there were 30 classes. All,basically,for domestic cars. Broken down into Make,or years...lots of breakdowns. But,the class that I had to enter my Ferrari in was,simply,"Import". And,that includes every single make,model and year of every import car ever made. Not,"European Import",or,"Asian Import". Or,"pre-'00" and "post- "00" And,you guys have seen all these super tricked out ricemobiles-extra chrome EVERYWHERE (I'm not going to put Mickey Thompson chrome valve covers on MY baby!)Blowers,tunnel rams,chrome headers,chrome hinges,chrome alternators,braided hose and wires-every single one. You get the picture. Stickers.Decals,30 speakers sticking out everywhere. Basically,the "gaudier,the better!" And,with a Ferrari,we don't "go that way" I am 43 years old,and have been going to custom car shows,like World of wheels,as well as local shows,for over 30 years. And,that seems to be what people like.These type of cars are basically just that. A showcar. Don't get driven much,because there's tooooo much chrome to polish. So,they just get driven to and from shows,or trailered,week after week. Sure,everyone goes gagagoogoo when they see an exotic car. But,most don't know anything about them (Make,Model,Year,engine,etc...) so,really can't form an opinion other than, "Cool! A Ferrari!" or Lambo,or whatever. I had people actually tell me that. They love these cars,but don't know anything about them. Also,had alot of people who thought that my 22 year old 308 was a "new" car. After 30 years of seeing,what are considered,"Show Cars". Have noticed that the more wild paint job. Every concievable piece that you can possibly get chromed. And,some props-like models,posters,stuffed animlas,little manequins,stuff like that-eye catching,and to make your "display" busy and appealing,are what win car shows. There are some guys that lay down mirrors next to their cars,so that you can see all the other chrome goodies that are underneath the car. So,show cars,in THAT sense are a toatally different animal than a "Ferrari show",or "concours" It would be the same thing,but,opposite,if someone brought one of these overdone cars to a Ferrari show,or concours.It would be kind of like bringing cousin Mable,right off the Jerry Springer show,to an afternoon,society tea. So,basically,it's kind of like oil and water. Also. In these Custom cars shows,they usually want you to have your hood open,so everyone can see all the chrome,braided hoses,painted engine bay,etc...and with some Ferrari's,the engine is in the "back". All that I can suggst would be,if you had a 308,say. Have a model of your car. The Magnum P.I. music blaring. Some braided hoses(really want to do that?) Some posters,telling whats "in" your car. As if regular folks will understand.And,anything else that you can think of to make a gaudy display (and break Enzo's heart!) | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6495 Registered: 12-2000 |
Here's a link of one experience... http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/2596.html I lost the car show, but by Monday they had my car picture on the front of their website. Go figure! Here's a couple muscle car show pics I could find quickly...   | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6494 Registered: 12-2000 |
Don't bring the Ferrari! I've gone to a dozen muscle car shows with the 328 and Challenge. It's never predicatable how everyone will react. It always gets the most attention because they hardly see Ferraris at these car shows. However, about 50-50 whether your car will be a hit and get votes or if they vote for the other car out of jealousy (no matter what it is). | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 180 Registered: 3-2003 |
Unfortunately not, and there were a couple of Tennessee Titans cheerleaders there, too. Only pic I took is pretty grainy (a still jpg from my video camera). Here I am flanked next to a 71 'Vette and a sixties Impala (?):  | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1978 Registered: 5-2001 |
Alan, Bite your tongue on that....so Crawford, any pics of the cheerleaders? :-) | ||
| Ernie (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 832 Registered: 11-2001 |
All I have to say is. You know you might be a Redneck if you vote for a Datsun instead of the Ferrari, in the Best of European Car class. Hahahahaaa!!! | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 249 Registered: 12-2002 |
Griot's Garage baby! 1 800 345-5789 And stay away from those cheerleaders! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2470 Registered: 10-2002 |
Crawford, funny you ask, we had exact the same question this weekend in Chicago: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/19907/324417.html?1065443290 A beautiful 308 got beaten out by a Datsun. Though. From what I have learned so far, this helps: - join the boys' club (trade votes basically) - 1/18 model - bad weather - patience/endurance I'm wondering about the display poster myself. Besides, what should be on it? | ||
| john beaucher (Spider348)
Junior Member Username: Spider348 Post Number: 109 Registered: 11-2002 |
Crawford, come on now, you know what to do. Rip that wimpy 3.2 liter 8 out of there and drop in a real motor. Small block LT-1, dual quads or a blower(sure winner), hooker headers, finned aluminum valve covers. Stick that sucker up through the rear deck and you have a sure winner! Or go all the way and pop a big block rat motor, or hemi gets extra bonus points, in the engine bay. Raises havoc with the handling but hell, straight line you won�t be beat! | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 175 Registered: 3-2003 |
What are the tricks of the trade for placing well at local car shows? I know what's involved in a Ferrari Concours event, but how do you get recognition when you live in Deep South USA and are up against GTO's, Camaros, Mustangs, F-110's? We were at a show in Eagleville, TN (think small) this weekend and were, suffice it to say, the only Ferrari slash Italian slash european car there (well, there actually was a rag top Bimmer also entered...). I was working hard for the Eagleville School Cheerleaders Choice Award. They were all getting a kick out of sitting in the car and then trying to find the door handles to get out. Laney and I thought we had that one wrapped up, but we lost out to a 58 Ford pickup! We had a great time and actually did come home with a small trophy (top 25), but I wanted the 4 foot BEST OF SHOW trophy! Should I make up a display poster telling all about the car? Maybe a 1/18 model of the 328 sitting up on the dash? Fuzzy dice??? |