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Dino Micalizio (Ingenere)
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Post Number: 77
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Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 4:29 pm:   

To answer ShanB: I think that the overall build quality is great on both cars. THere is much more ample use of leather in the TR which gives it an overall higher quality feel to it...but I think that they are both very well made and have been very relaible.

I have had the 348 for 14 years and the TR for 10.
Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 1:10 pm:   

David N,
That color looks awesome on your TR! I've never seen one like it before. :-)
DES (Sickspeed)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 11:09 am:   

LMAO, Tyler, it was a big sandwich...!

No one answered my question, so i figured i'd just stay out of it... BesiDES, there's a lot of input in here, already... :-)
David N (Nboy)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 10:44 am:   

My $.02... I have a 91 TR and a 98 355 (which is worlds better than a 348).
The TR is heavy and big, and not too fun around town, but once you're out on the open road, there's no better car. 2nd and 3rd at full bore are epic!
If you want an around town car, go with the 348 (much easier to drive), but if you want power and torque, the TR is great and the 512 is even better. If you want to move on up to a 355, the numbers get much closer and then the choice is more difficult.

Gregory, I like my TR more than anything else, but if you wait till the 355 prices come down a bit more, that's the car to get - much more reliable and very quick at useable US speeds. Don't have a 348 for you to try, but you can go for a drive in a TR next time I see ya.
David
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 12:30 am:   

William,

Have you ever watched a Challenge race??? Ignoring the first three cars on the grid, you could be 1/3 the way back in a 308 LOL!!!!!

Ric R. what car did you use those 355 street calipers I sold you on Ebay. I seem to recall you were building a 308 Turbo..or maybe it was for your 348.

Regards,

Jon P. Kofod
1995 F355 Challenge #23
www.flatoutracing.net

Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 12:21 am:   

Ah, I must have seen a modified 512TR when I made note of the Brembos. Oh, well, it was a good fantasy :-). But the 512TR does have the cross-drilled rotors, as I recall.

As far as the con-rods go, I remember that the redline was raised to something like 7500 (or 7200), but you're right in that the 512M got the Ti rods.

Shanb, having worked extensively on both, I personally think the 348 is a much better built car than the 84-91 TR.
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 2:59 pm:   

Sorry to correct you again Ric but the 512TR doesnt have Brembos. I know bcus I replaced the brakes on both my 512TRs with Brembo F50 brakes. Not only that but my road car was the first 512TR in the world with Brembo F50 brakes :-) cus they used my car as the template. I lent it to them after the 2002 annual meet in LA.

The 512TR actually has brakes made by a Co named Octagon. They are good for the road but nowhere near enough for the track
Omar (Auraraptor)
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Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 2:54 pm:   


quote:

The 512TR is a different matter, and I have very high regard for their potential. The differences are vast, and not just tires and a few more HP. The 512TR is something like 400 lbs lighter than a TR, has a higher redline, "real" brakes (nice big Brembos vs. "old" ATE stuff). Titanium con-rods, single-disc clutch, etc.




Titanium con-rods were first used on the F512M, not the TR.
ShanB (Shanb)
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Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 1:11 pm:   

Question for Ric and Dino (and any other 348 + TR owners):

As owners of examples of each, how would you compare the overall build quality between the 8 and 12 cylinder cars?
Kelly Hayes (Khayes)
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Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 11:36 pm:   

I wonder how many 348's were sold and how many Testarossa's were sold brand new? I bet it was close. I have also wondered what the average MSRP was on both cars when they were new. I would assume the TR was much higher since it was their flagship and the 348 was their entry model.
Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
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Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 5:23 pm:   

As the current owner of both a 348 and a TR, I have to throw in my 2 lira. I've put close to 15K miles on my 348 and 5K miles on the TR. The TR is a heavy beast by comparison, but has way more torque. The 2nd and 3rd gear acceleration in the TR is an awesome experience that the 348 can't touch. The brakes are an awesome component of the 348 that the TR can't touch.

The TR has an outdated, and somewhat fickle fuel system, whereas the 348 has a "modern" EFI system. Cold operation is much better on the 348. The 348 gets about 2x the gas mileage.

The TR definitely has a roomier interior, especially for the passenger. Comfort, for me, is about the same. The 348 is the type of car that I could check over for 15 minutes (tire pressure and fluids) and make a 300+ mile road trip. I would be more careful doing the same in a TR.

The TR is more costly to maintain, and has the potential to be VERY costly if certain types of failures occur vs. the same failures in 348s. This is partially due to the larger engine, but mostly due to age (some TR parts are no longer available as new spares).

I've spent a lot of time in the 348 on the track, and only a small amount of time in the TR. The TR is too heavy and too rear-biased to be a good track car. Even with a moderate amount of adjustment, I don't think a "plain" TR could compete with a stock 348 on the tracks that I visit.

The 512TR is a different matter, and I have very high regard for their potential. The differences are vast, and not just tires and a few more HP. The 512TR is something like 400 lbs lighter than a TR, has a higher redline, "real" brakes (nice big Brembos vs. "old" ATE stuff). Titanium con-rods, single-disc clutch, etc.

My next car would likely be a 512TR, except for the fact that I'm such a track junkie, so I'll probably go with a 355.

Beware of early TR's that have not had the water pump chain update. Later TR's with bolt on wheels are better cars for a number of small reasons. Beware of early 348s that have not had the alternator updates and 348 ts's that have not had the roof seal updates. As with most any car, the later in production run, the better.
Dino Micalizio (Ingenere)
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Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 11:14 am:   

Maybe I can shed some light on this subject as I own both cars. I've had the 348 for 14 years and the TR for 10. The TR is bone stock except for a custom exhaust with a sound to die for! The 348 has a number of upgrades....ECU chips, Serie Specialle seats...lights, front spoiler, Challenge wheels (2 sets...slicks and road tires), and F40LM brakes, tubi exhaust w/cat by pass. The car is around 200 pounds lighter than stock.

The 348 is by far the more tossable car...at the track there hasn't been too much that will outstick it when on slicks or out brake it...period...short of a full race car. On the road it is docile around town, with enough get up and go when you need it....HP is around 330 with changes. The seats and driving position can be trying on a long trip. Before I made the challenge wheel change, the on limit handling was.....'tricky' to say the least! But I looked at it as a car that needed to be driven with skill rather than an NSX that anyone could drive fast if you know what I mean. With the challenge wheels the turn in is phenomenal (lighter wheels) and the extra rubber took all the vices away. In sum...GREAT CAR!

The TR is just a classic 12 with amazing looks and sound. On the road at 8/10's it is an noble friend that won't betray you on the twisty bits...but it is almost 4000 pounds and if you do anything stupid there is ALOT of mass out back that wants to pass the front. THe seats are more than comfy for a long trip and will leave you fresh. On the track it does just fine....but my '87 NEEDS more brakes for any serious track fun. In sum....GREAT CAR.

THe TR and 348 are for different purposes but both are outstanding. As far as serviceing goes....a major will run around $5K...which is crazy considering the work involved....I've done both myself and there isn't $5K worth of work.....and BTW if any of you are thinking about going to Scottsdale Ferrari for a service....DON'T.....I had them do a major on the TR and they neglected the water pump....which they billed me for on the service, which subsequently failed within 50 miles and then ducked out of the fix....so they ended up hitting me for $13k WHEN THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD 'TAKE CARE OF ME'....so...stay away from Scottsdale Ferrari!
L. (Testaroja)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 8:33 pm:   

There is no way that because a guy owns a testarossa he will say that the testarossa its better than a 348 just because thats the model he owns, one thing is taste and I can see someone say that they like the looks of a 348 more than the other but when we are talking on which car is better then no one in his right mind will ever say that the 348 is in any way the best one. Just look at the performance tests of this two cars over the years and also the testarossa's price when new was about $180,000 sticker price in 1990 and '91. Remember that at Ferrari some people were calling the 348 "la piccola testarossa" the small testarossa, and not only in the outside size of the car but also in engine size of course but ultimately in overall performance.
The 512tr is then again a car with lot more power than the original model but in looks the original testarossa its better looking, only thing is that we still have the F512M which of course its way more money but also worth it.

By the way it is only when the F355 came out that this line of 8 cylinder bested the times of the 512tr in fiorano, the F355 came directly from the 348 thats why I posted this last comment.
Greg (Greg512tr)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 7:46 pm:   

My understanding is 85% of the TR changed from the TR to the 512TR. Influenced by what Ferrari learned with the F40. Although they look very similar, IMO the 512TR evolved into a cleaner, more classic design than the original.

I love the TR look so I would pick it over the 348.
Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 6:20 pm:   

Consider me corrected!

Thanks. :-)
william speer (Wspeer)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 6:10 pm:   

there is a hell of a lot more than just tires that are difeerent. in the 512tr, the engine sits lower due to a redesign in the engine cradle, which means a lower center of gravity. you also have completely redesigned electronics and ignitions. overall, the 512tr is a far superior car to the testarossa and seen so in the pricing of the market. however, it is a matter of simplicity, the 512tr is almost twice as expensive as the tr, i don't believe it is twice the car.

either way, service for a tr will always be more than for a 348. you have 4 more cylinders and more complex mechanical features. i just had the 30k service done for tr and it cost around $8500. less than others have posted, but still expensive. i have had the car for over 5 years and really had no major problems other than simple maintenance (i replaced the cluth about 2 years ago and one of the ignition coils). for over 5 years worth of enjoyment, that is a cheap price to pay.
Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 6:02 pm:   

If I'm not mistaken, the main difference between the TR and the 512TR is, in addition to a few extra ponies (is it 15?), is handlng.

And as far as I know, that handling difference is due mostly to the tires, which were low-profiles. The 84-89 TRs had to use tires with high-side walls. After Pirelli made the P-Zeros for the F40, Ferrari, and other manufacturers, finally had a low-profile tire that could be used in mass markets.

So, unless I'm wrong, you could buy a TR, and then spend maybe $4k on 17 in wheels and some 40 series tires, and you'd have a 512TR sans 15hp.

Am I right?
djmonk (Davem)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 5:30 pm:   

All i can add is that after reading similiar threads i expected the TR to be something else.
After driving one a few times on back roads its a much better experience than i expected. The ride was great similiar to my Mondial. I quickly forgot how wide the car is too. Standard disclaimer. Ive only drove this TR an it just won a Platinum at the NJ FCA meet.
Anyways i would hope you would actually drive the cars yourself an see what they do, for you the owner.
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:19 am:   

Depends on the model years. 348tb/ts/spider?

I'd take a 348 spider over a TR because I prefer the looks of the spider. Also, top down is nice for cruising.

Now, if your talking about a 512TR, that's a different ballgame. The 512TR is a monster, besides being the most seductive looking car Ferrari has ever made, IMO.

DES, how long does it take to make a sandwich?:-)
Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:10 am:   

Brother Bruce,
Not so much "Kung-Fu", but probably way too much "Seinfeld".
I shall retire now to my meditation chamber.
Brother Ken
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 9:55 am:   

KEN

I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ASIAN BLOOD, BUT YOUR ARE WATCHING TO MANY " KUNG FU" EPISODES WITH MEDITATION........GET ON THE "N" SUBWAY TRAIN IN NYC AND RELAX.

BROTHER BRUCE
Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 9:52 am:   

Hey brother Bruce,
I feel peaceful today like one with nature... Must be the Metamucil.

As the great Master K would say:
"Serenity now"

I will take up on your battery offer. Just have no need yet :-)

Brother Ken
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 9:36 am:   

NICE POINT KEN

YOU MUST HAVE TAKEN YOUR "NICEY NICEY PILLS" THIS MORNING :-) YOU DONT BELONG HERE WITH THOSE POSITIVE, NICE, UNBIASED COMMENTS :-)

BRUCE
Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 9:34 am:   

If you're a TR owner you'll most likely say the TR is better. Likewise if you're a 348 owner you'll say the 348 is better. To me they're all beautiful cars of great desire. No need to put the other car down. THEY ARE ALL GREAT CARS! As to what can blow what away, it mostly depends on the skill and knowledge of the driver and condition of the vehicle.
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 12:37 am:   

I like TR's. So much car for so little !
L. (Testaroja)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 12:22 am:   

I write this almost more than anything else, I own a testarossa and drive it over 12,000 miles a year, the 30,000 MAJOR service is around $10,000 to over $12,000 without the cluct, mine was a little over $12,300 but that was with a dealer discount but I did put 4 new tires. I also know of 3 other testarossas with bills over $10,000 for their majors and someone told me that he paid over $8,000 for his 348's major service, that he said but I don't own one so I can not tell if thats truly acurate. Also in performance the Testarossa will blow the doors off a 348 any time without breaking a sweat. A good 328 is way a better car than the 348, maybe not as fast in acceleration but it is got something the 348 does not have, it needs some magic that it does not have to overshadow the 328.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 9:33 pm:   

In day to day use the 348 is the better car. In acceleration, the 348 feels as quick around town, on the highway the Testarossa is faster.

I would personally rather have a nice TR with some nice upgrades rather than a 348.
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 9:15 pm:   

Ive never had a 348 come anywhere near my 512TR on the track, I have passed them on the straights like they were going backwards. Even on a tight twisty track like Lime Rock I managed a 1:01 with practically no brakes on the car :-) A well driven 355 Challenge can be as fast or a little faster than a stock 512TR. If I were to drive my 512TR road car in a 355 Challenge race I'd be about 1/3 or so back in the field
Jerry W. (Tork1966)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 7:41 pm:   

I love TR's but I wish that there were more of them WITHOUT that ugly brown dash! Why did so many have this?
robert biscan (Tn_ferrari_bob)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 7:34 pm:   

get the tr. There is no comparison in overall build quality and looks. I owned one for 3 years and I loved the car. It is really a beautiful car and is fast if you want and not too fast if you want. The torque of the 12 is to die for.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 5:11 pm:   

I test drove both, looking for my first Ferrari 2.5 years ago. To me, the 348 was much crisper and a more enjoyable car to drive. The TR felt awfully wide, and did seem to "wander" a lot more than the 348. Might have just been that particular car.

The TR felt faster in a straight line, but I was definitely more comfortable going quickly through "twisties" with the 348.

I have never regretted the 348 purchase, and plan to keep it, but now I've added a 550 with V12 appeal.

Enjoy whichever you choose.

Mark
DES (Sickspeed)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 5:02 pm:   

Anyone mind if i chime in here...? Let me know, i need to go make myself a sandwich and take care of something, i'll be back in a few minutes... :-)
Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 4:56 pm:   

Go with the FERRARI :-)
Ken Ross (Kdross)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 4:18 pm:   

I once heard a saying that went like:

"There are 3 joys in a man's life 1) the first time he is with a girl 2) the birth of his first child 3) the first time he drives a 12 cylinder Italian car."
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 12:06 pm:   

Two other thoughts:

My "track" is twisty mountain roads.

Kissing a woman on the neck is fun. Nibbling on a woman's ear is fun. I might like one better than the other. However, that does not make the other bad.

Of course others might like the other one the best.

That is also one of the things that makes us humans interesting.
Steve Holden (Sf348s)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:46 am:   

I had a Testarossa (similar) then switched to a 348ts.I know you states guys have wide roads but i live in Europe and the girth of the Testa was too great for some roads , got embarssing sometimes! So practically the 348 is best.Don't forget if you want the best drive comparison from a 348 don't judge a TR against a 348ts as the body flex will make a difference compaired to a tin top.If you use tracks a lot it has to be the TR.I didn't get the testa on one..i wish!
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:46 am:   

One of the main things I want a Ferrari for is the twisties.

The 12s are more stately and impressive. Even yeasterday at a resturant in Park City where the Olymics was held, I had someone ask me if the Mondial t was a 12. They said it was still a beautiful car. Locations like where the Olymics was held is what I am buying Ferraris for. After the early evening rains, it was fun to put the top down and go tearing through the mountains. Even the Beagle dog loved it.

I did drive the 348 before the TR.

Before I get the replacement for the 360, I will revisit the 12s. At that time I will have more experience and can better judge them. However, unless some SIGNIFICANT new information becomes available, I or my companies will never own a 12.

Purchase price I think the TR is a bargin. Am unsure about maintenance but it is not worth researching since it is no longer under consideration.
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:32 am:   

No brainer...the TR
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:15 am:   

OTHER THAN DOING THE TWISTIES AND 180 DEGREE TURNS...THERE IS NO COMPARISON...THE TR BY FAR.....

WAPINSKI...TELL THE SALESMAN TO MAYBE RIDE IN A TR FIRST............


Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:12 am:   

Thanks William, I knew I read it somewhere. Is that David E. Davis the magazine editor you're referring to?

Getting back to the TR and 348, I've driven both before I made up my mind on the TR. IMO, the TR was the best 'bang-for-the-buck'. I remember when the TR came first came out it was going for (in Canada) almost $250,000CDN! Now, you can pick one up for $60 - $90CDN! I think it's an incredible bargain right now....

Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 10:48 am:   

Go drive the both of 'em. I did, and the TR won.

The TR, in my opnion, is a much more fun ride than the 348. I like the 348, but the TR is, well, a TR!

If I only had $50k.....*sigh*

Soon....SOON!

Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 9:15 am:   

I do not mean to insult anyone, but correct me if I am wrong.

The expression about the 12s is very old. It was also used in a 60 Minutes segment about the Lambo in, I believe, the late 1980s.

The expression was clearly true at one time, but is it true today?

With any car, it is hard to judge an entire line by the experiences of just one vehicle. Also I have limited experience with both.

I test drove a TR and a 348 in Scottsdale AZ. It was on the western edge of Scottsdale where the small hill/mountain juts up.

I found that the TR was faster from a standing stop - so it would be better for things like drag racing. The TR stood out more, but both looked great. The TR appeared to have a wider wheel base so it should be smoother on trips.

However, one thing struck me. I could drive the same roads faster in the 348 than I could in the TR. Even the salesperson said that a 348 could be driven faster on twisty roads than a TR.

Also the TR "wandered" much more on uneven pavement. The salesperson also said that this was normal.

Again this is with a very limited sample.

I ruled out this 348 since it broke down on the test drive (made me wander about mechanical condition), car seemed overpriced compared to others, wear on interior did not seem to match miles on odometer, and the salesperson had lied to me about other things.

So I went to the Ferrari NA web site. Their numbers suggest that the current 8s can outperform the current 12s.

However, the 12s seem to reach the power at lower RPMs while the 8s need to be reved higher. Both are fun, but in a different way.

Do not know if this affects reliability.

I think both cars are great, but have different design goals. You would not go wrong with either, but you have to decide what is important to you.

I am not convinenced that the old expression holds true with today's cars. That is why the replacement for the 360 spider is in my future while keeping the Mondial t (unless Ferrari blows it, then I will go to the 360 unless reliability of the 360 becomes a factor), but a 12 is not.

If I am wrong, convince me with facts.
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 5:36 pm:   

Lawrence, I think that was Malcolm Forbes or David Davis who said that about V12s
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:56 am:   

I DONT UNDERSTAND THE MAINTENANCE QUESTIONS ON TRS HERE..

I OWN A 88 TR, WHERE A 15K SERVICE SHOULD RUN ABOUT $3500.00 , WHILE A 30K COMPLETE SERVICE SHOULD RUN ABOUT $5K, ( WITH OFF COURSE NO CLUTCH OR LABOR SERVICE)

IF YOU PROPERLY CHECK ALL FLUIDS, AND DO PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE ON IT, OILS CHANGES, ETC AND DONT BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF IT....IT SHOULD RUN YOU ABOUT $500.00 / YEAR


NOTHING MORE ENJOYABLE THAN THE TORQUE AND THE 12 CYL ROARING...............


MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND .02 CENTS HERE

PS..LIKE EVERYONE SAYS, RIGHT NOW TRS ARE A BARGAIN.


GOOD LUCK,
BRUCE
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:50 am:   

If maintenance costs are not a concern then get the TR. I had a lot of fun with mine and like everyone else here has said, the power (hp and torque) is awesome!

As someone once said 'Everyone should experience a 12-cylinder F-car at least once in their lifetime'
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:38 am:   

I much prefer the syle of the TR & the power is much nicer too :-) a 512TR will rock your world LOL
Kelly Hayes (Khayes)
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Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 9:36 am:   

I too found myself deciding between a 348 and a TR this year. I chose the TR and have no regrets. As a matter of fact, Moorespeed is installing my Tubi today. Speedlines and updated tires are next. TR's cost more to maintain but they are cheap to buy. The torque from the flat 12 engine is a lot of fun. Go drive both and you will see the difference.
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member
Username: Parkerfe

Post Number: 3040
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 8:53 am:   

I have owned both a 348 Spider and a TR. Unless you want the drop top, get the TR. It is a fine motorcar and a bargain in today's market ! Unless you want and older car such as a Boxer. I now own a BB512i and like it even more than my ex-TR. But it does not have the modern a/c or other conveinences of the TR.
Stephen Etheridge (Surreytr)
New member
Username: Surreytr

Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 8:46 am:   

I went through the TR v 348 decision a month or so ago, but for me it was no contest. The TR is *THE* classic supercar (OK, along with the Countach) of the 80s and was the car I had always wanted to own. I looked at the 348 (and a BB too) to make sure that it wasn't just a case of my heart ruling my head, but found nothing in these cars to make me change my mind. Every time I have seen a TR, since they first appeared, I have recognised them instantly and the sight of the car has taken my breath away. Then there's the sound... Sorry, but the 348 just doesn't have the same impact. As someone said when I was looking, its supercar versus sports car. Go with the TR.
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Username: Davewapinski

Post Number: 623
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 8:02 am:   

You have to decide what is important to you.

I do not have extensive experience in either. However, when I was considering if I should buy a Ferrari and, if so, which one, I looked closely at the 348 and TR. Loved both.

Found the 348 to be more tossable. The TR appeared to have more torque at low RPMs. TR probably better for mainly highway use. The TR was more squirely (sp) on uneven road surfaces, but this could be just the individual cars. TR is bigger and stands out more (both do).

Decided to get a Ferrari and decided the Mondial t was best for what I wanted to do.

Depends on what is important to you.
John Roberts (Bigbaddad)
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Username: Bigbaddad

Post Number: 39
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 7:43 am:   

We were looking at a TR and a 348 when we pulled the trigger and bought our 1st Ferrari about 2 months ago. For us, we love the styling of both, so it was a matter of which car we would enjoy more. For us it was the 348. I'm 6' 4", so headroom is always a concern. The TR cockpit felt a lot tighter than the 348, plus the 348 has the targa for unlimited headroom. Ground clearance also seemes a bit better in the 348, so bottoming out is less of a concern. Then, the overall drivability of each. They are definitely different, so choose the one that will work best for you. We wanted a car that we could actually drive quite a bit, and we thought we'd be more comfortable doing that with the 348.

Good luck!
fanatic (Fanatic1)
Member
Username: Fanatic1

Post Number: 513
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 5:47 am:   

It's tough when people ask should I get a TR or a 3x8......they are totally different cars......you can't compare them, or say which one is better. They are both AWESOME and they are both BEAUTIFUL, but it depends on what you want, and how you're gonna use it......it's a question that you're comparing apples to oranges. Might as well ask, "Did you walk to school, or carry your lunch?"..........

Good Luck,
Either way you can't lose
Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Member
Username: Euro308guy

Post Number: 440
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 2:12 am:   

or, if you TURBO'ed the 348, you could BLOW AWAY the tr and dominate in the twisties too!
but if you TURBO'ed the tr, well.............. :-)
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Intermediate Member
Username: Artherd

Post Number: 1019
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 1:40 am:   

TR costs more to maintain (by how much? anybody?), but fast as hell!

348 is a much more nimble, for-the-twisties car, can get it's power down in the tight stuff better than the 348 can.

Both are awesome!

But seeing as you have a V8 car already (328) I'd have to get a twelve to round out the expierence!

Best!
Ben.
Vincent (Vincent348)
Intermediate Member
Username: Vincent348

Post Number: 1082
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 1:37 am:   

what year TR?

Are maintenance costs a concern?

They are both sweet cars, never driven a TR but I hear the acceleration blows the 348 away!

Vincent.
Gregory (Prugna_328)
Junior Member
Username: Prugna_328

Post Number: 61
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 12:20 am:   

Prices are pretty close, not sure which one I would go with.

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