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Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 2:50 am:   

I like to stick to Enzo's own words:

http://www.ferraristuff.com/en-us/pg_14.html

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Mark (Marvellous_mark)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 2:42 am:   

A little more info here too:

http://www.ferrari.co.uk/legend/trademark.asp
John Moretti (Moretti)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 2:35 am:   

Pete,

The birth of Dino made Enzo give up racing (from "my terrible joys")

btw he came 2nd in the 1920 Targa Florio, 1st in Pescara in '24 and also won a couple of other races so he wasn't too bad. He was one of 4 drivers who drove for FIAT when they were in GrandPrix racing (Ascari, Campari and Wagner - not bad company!)
PSk (Psk)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 12:51 am:   

Rick,


quote:

In 1923, a few years after the First World War, Enzo Ferrari won a race with superior dominance.




This bit I doubt. Enzo Ferrari was a pretty ordinary race driver ... one of the reasons that he moved to running the show.

I did not actually think he won any major races, if any at all. I know that he raced a 8c Alfa against Nuvolari in a 6c and Nuvolari had accelerator cable problems and still kicked his arse ...

Even the film biography of Enzo makes Enzo out to rather ordinary behind the steering wheel ... plus every book I have read.

Pete
rick ramage (720)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 12:19 am:   

here's a little more info that i read awhile back.

francesco baracca shot down a german plane and then landed near the crash site. the german pilot that he shot down was from stuttgart so his plane had a "black steed" on the side (the black steed was the municipal coat of arms for stuttgart). francesco took the black steed from the crashed plane as a trophy and held it in high regard.

apparently it was this municipal coat of arms that baracca removed from the plane he shot down that his parents ultimately gave to enzo ferrari which ended up symbolizing ferraris.

another interesting side note is that porsche (which is located just outside stuttgart) incorporates the same black steed from the stuttgart coat of arms in their badge.

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Ze Shark (Ze_shark)
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 12:11 am:   

True, and the yellow color is the color of the town of Modena.
Charles Byrd (Vogel)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:28 pm:   

According to "The Ultimate History of Ferrari" by Brian Laban, it was the badge of the squadron of of Francesco Baracca, and when Enzo won some races that Baracca's parents were at they invited him to dinner a while later, the family of the deceased Baracca gave him the actual badge from the plane of a black prancing horse on a white background as a good luck charm of their son. Enzo's brother Alfredo also served in Baracca's squadron. Enzo changed the background color to yellow, and put it on his race cars.
Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 10:53 pm:   

Ive read something different...
there was a family that Enzo befriended before he founded his car company. they liked him becuase he reminded them of their son who had died. in short, once Enzo started racing, the family had him put the cavillino rampante on the side of his cars for good luck. apparently, the shield with the horse was that family's symbol and the colors in the shield are suppose to represent the town's colors of where Enzo's family friends were from.

also, in the same book, the author said that the horse's tail was ponited downward, but for asthetic reasons, Enzo changed the tail so it was pointed upwards.

have no clue which story is correct. might be a combination of this one, and the one that Rick posted

Bill
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 9:16 pm:   

I've always thought it was the WWI airplane deal.

I don't know that this is a controversy, though....
rick ramage (720)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 8:27 pm:   

i stumbled into some controversy on the "prancing horse" story. does anybody know more about this?

In 1923, a few years after the First World War, Enzo Ferrari won a race with superior dominance. After the race Enzo had a meeting with the father of the First World War pilot : Francesco Baracca. This at that time famous pilot ( 35 victory's, killed in action in 1918) used a prancing horse as a symbol on his airplane. According to tradition, the father of the First World War pilot suggests the young Enzo use the symbol of the prancing horse as a memory to his son who was killed in 1918. From that year Ferrari used the symbol of the prancing horse on his racecars, later on all the factory cars.


this is the part of the story that i've never heard before:

According to other sources, Enzo's prancing horse was used as a memory to his brother, Alfredo, who was
also a pilot in the squadron of Baracca in the First World War.

Some doubt the linkage at all because of the position of the horse's tail: The prancing horse on Baracca's plane has his tail down, the prancing horse of Ferrari has his tail up. Upload

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