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Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 120 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:28 am: | |
Woo hoo! just found 2 more.... |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 101 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 10:37 am: | |
At this point I have managed to find about 10 of the 40-50 Still on the hunt. This is getting to be fun. Also any other ideas having to trace stuff like this down for articles. One of those cars could make for its own miniseries just from its history. Also If anyone knows of a "Long Roumered but never seen" collection around let me know. I have managed to find a couple of "UrbanLegends" and looking for more. Seen some EXCEPTIONAL colllections for the magazine over the last couple of months. |
Jay Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay
Post Number: 1551 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:44 pm: | |
I also remember a story about an IRS auditor who would swindle people out of their cars, amassed a huge collection only to be caught years later. I don't remember the specifics but it was along those lines, I remember he loved Ferrari. |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 436 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:42 pm: | |
Charles Brockett spent huge sums on turning his family home into a conference center and had planned to have the Ferrari collection as its center peice, unfortunatley a lot of the money was borrowed and he was screwed over by the guy he employed to source and run his cars (this guy was notorious for paying the asking price and pocketing a huge bribe!), as he spent far too much for variuos cars and the market plunged to avoid loosing everything he did his dispicable deed and still ended loosing everything (he only got caught because he saved the most important parts of the cars and stored them in vats of oil!!!) |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 80 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:37 pm: | |
DES There are lots of stories i have been touching with this and I think the issue of FORSA with the Juan Perron Ferrari is another one that gets me wondering about Dictators / Cars and what ever happened to.... |
DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 7081 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:34 pm: | |
This is an incredible thread... |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 78 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:30 pm: | |
I saw that... What the hell was wrong in his life that he took such a tragic path of distruction to such a beautiful car |
Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp
Post Number: 192 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:22 pm: | |
Unless someone has a better one, I think the prize has to go to the horrible Lord Brocket story. Destroying and burying historic Ferraris to perpetrate insurance fraud. See the barchetta link to the 340 America on Wayne's post; it was one of the victims. |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 74 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:53 am: | |
I am getting the impression that there are more stories out there on Excess/implosion of collectors and collections. If anyone else can think of others that punched the self distruct button on their house of cards only to have a bunch of special cars go to the auction please let me know so i can keep track as I do the research on this one |
Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp
Post Number: 190 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:53 am: | |
Jim G. - have all of the Medlin cars been located/sold? Last I heard (2 years ago?), a west coast broker was allowed to photo and sell a silver 250 Lusso basket-case, but that the rest of that particular warehouse had several other Ferraris, and parts of Ferraris, including a 246 Dino (and, if memory serves, most of a 206SP). I understood that the fear at the time was that Medlin might not remember all of the warehouse locations scattered around central Florida . . . email me privately if you want. Bryan |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 70 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:31 am: | |
Now after looking at the James Patterson post does anyone have any question why I think this makes for an ineteresting articel? Thanks James I will stop over later this week to see what else we can shake loose. Jim |
James Patterson (James_patterson)
New member Username: James_patterson
Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 9:35 am: | |
I work on Walkers stuff back in 83 thru 87, for a while at Norwoods on Tracey street and then at Walkers race shop called Dallas Motorsport. Don did have an incredible collection of the rarest Ferraris and race cars. There are a few pictures of some of his cars on our website at www.norwoodperformance.com, his 512M, 375 plus, 250LM and maybe a couple others. A guy that worked for Walker named Brian Geolnicht sold off much of his collection in 1986-87, Brian is in Atlanta, if you want to talk to him I can get you his contact info. This is a short list of his cars and where they went as best as I remember. 512M, Dekon Monza, Guld Mirage : Toby Bean 375 plus, 250 SWB : Ralph Loren 250 GTO, 512S, Drogo 250 LM, etc. : Japan 275 GTB : raffled off VDS 001 can am car : UK (raced thundersport series in the late 80's) VDS 002 : Collection in Dallas He also had a 121 LM, 312 T, 410 supersport, 340 MM, Lola T70, Stewarts L&M Lola can am car, BMW M1 pro cars, etc. etc., most of those cars where sold off or traded off over the years. He did have one of the most impresive collections of Ferrari and racing cars I have ever known of but there is little or no info on just what all he had, I never saw all his cars but think he maintained about a 30- 40 car collection for 82 thru about 86. Good luck and let us know what you discover. |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 64 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 1:39 pm: | |
It may have errors and I know not to trust just anything from the web but it is a great starting point. I am also getting the Vin Pac from the courts and have talked to a couple of others who were involved in working on his collection so with that and some of the other threads I have tugged on I think I am on the right path. Only thing is that some of these guys are less than open on some of the details so I am having to do some old fashioned journalism and i love it. Jim |
Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2692 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Jim, you're welcome. A word of warning, however; putting together a website of that magnitude is an enormous task and, as a result, the Barchetta site is fraught with errors. Still, it's a great starting point. Once again, good luck! |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 63 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 11:34 am: | |
Wayne Wayne Wayne That is the most fantastic site for research I think anyone has pointed me at. I have to thank you! |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 61 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
WOW WAYNE!!! Thanks for starting that line of thought for me I am still looking at more and I am getting a Court list of assets next week that will have all the VIN# That was a GREAT help thanks. Any one else? Oh and Fasil. I had heard of that one too but I want to run this one down first. I think it would be neat to do a Corprate Greed Bites back thing where we follow Ken Lay and others and see where their stuff ends up. Interesting that Ralph Lauren ended up with so many of them.... |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2762 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 9:24 pm: | |
Fisal That was Walter. Those cars have moved on. One day over dinner I'll tell you the story. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie
Post Number: 1535 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 9:19 pm: | |
I read the barchetta.cc history of that 250LM number 6045. What a joke! It's amazing what people can make themselves believe when they want something bad enough. That thing sounds like a Johnny Cash special: one piece at a time. But it's 80 per cent reproduction. If that thing is a Ferrari 250LM, then my 1979 Pontiac is a Lunar Module.
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Greg G (Greg_g)
Junior Member Username: Greg_g
Post Number: 100 Registered: 7-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 8:57 pm: | |
OK dont all laugh at me, but when I read the last 250LM entry on Wayne's links, it triggered my memory - it sounded like something I previously read. So I scouted my old library of DuPonts, and behold I have the Dec '99 issue. I dont have a scanner so I did the best I cld with my digi camera. Here's that ad if anyone was curious what the "car" looked like circa 1999.
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Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2682 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 8:54 pm: | |
Faisal: Walt Medlin. |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 944 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 8:28 pm: | |
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I figured this is the best place to ask. Eons ago, I read an article in some car mag about an amazing collection of cars hidden away in Florida. Apparently the owner had some tax troubles--the journalist was not allowed to reveal his name. The collection was staggering, racecars, rare cars, exotics and collectibles of all sorts. Does this ring a bell for anyone? Would be interested to find out more, if possible. Am I talking about Don Walker without realizing it, or is this some other person's collection? Sorry again to hijack the thread--back to the Don Walker collection. If you do have info on this collection, and if it is different from Don Walker, please start a new thread. Thankew.
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Greg G (Greg_g)
Junior Member Username: Greg_g
Post Number: 99 Registered: 7-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 8:21 pm: | |
Wayne - that kinda history is fascinating... especially the last link (250LM). What a great resource! |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 58 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 6:55 pm: | |
and then some this is why I am looking |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 6550 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 5:47 pm: | |
Oh my gosh! Don Walker owned all of those?!? |
Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2679 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 5:37 pm: | |
Jim, sounds like an interesting project. Here are some leads to get you started: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/1032.512S.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3987GT.250GTO.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0532LM.121LM.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0398TF.375Plus.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0890.312P.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/0662MDTR.500TRC.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0138A.340America.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/1931GT.250GT.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2163GT.250GT.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/6045.250LM.htm(Pieces only) Good luck! |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 4:49 pm: | |
I have Bob on the go and he is a great place to start. Have managed to find a couple that way but I hear there were LOTS of them. Any hints i will follow |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 6546 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 4:36 pm: | |
Very interesting, I would love to follow this story too. I'm sure Bob Smith would know about it, but Bob is kinda a private person. I've never talked to him much at all except in 2001 when he did the FCA Annual Meet. |
Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy
Post Number: 52 Registered: 9-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 4:10 pm: | |
Mid to late 80's Donald Walker had emassed a fortune in a questionable Realestate business and had also collected one of the most impressive Ferrari Collections in the world. As a Dallas based business he also had something to do with the Dallas GP race and i am working on a story trying to piece the collection back together. Anyone know the story or where the cars ended up?? Help! Jim |