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Author Message john (Johnwto) Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 130 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:46 pm:    milan say it ain't so!! ur selling ur spider for that. oh well, i'm sure it will be fast and fun. maybe it will look better in person KCCK (Kenneth) Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 668 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 12:09 pm:    Makes me want to sell something to buy one! Milan Votava (Milan) New member Username: Milan Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 11:40 am:    Johnwto: I'm going to buy one! :-) No13 (No13) New member Username: No13 Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 9:42 am:    I think some of you guys are missing the point - the market segment for this car is a little more refined and mature - sure it's still a Ferrari but more of a gentleman's car (grand tourer)than an all-out performance one. john (Johnwto) Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 124 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 7:55 pm:    geez andrew you must have been in a kit car or something cuz the two 360's i've owned had/have NO plastic covered with silver. in fact there is very little plastic anywhere in the whole car. and that 612 is without a doubt the ugliest ferrari i have ever seen in my life. i would love to know who is going to pay $200K for that. nika, awesome job on the quick pics........ Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg) Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 463 Registered: 9-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:52 pm:    Last 360 I went in most of the silver bits were cheap plastic covered in silver paint! Thomas I (Wax) Member Username: Wax Post Number: 620 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:50 pm:    What plastic? Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg) Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 461 Registered: 9-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:46 pm:    one more quick question, does the interior look like it belongs to a �200k car or does it look like a 360's (sorry guys but the cheap plastic interior just does not work!) Racer Nika (Racernika) Junior Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 90 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:39 pm:    I found it to be a stunning sedan....a great family car to drive if you need to grab the kids and go for a drive. You all know what a fan I am of the V12 too. Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg) Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 460 Registered: 9-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:27 pm:    Nika, so in the flesh is it a great Ferrari shape or another farina own goal? Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan) Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:26 pm:    Blimey that was quick! Where did that take place - Italy I presume? Racer Nika (Racernika) Junior Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:20 pm:    Here's a couple shots I took at the unveiling this week - it really is quite the car - 540 horsepower. The rear seats are actually comfortable - unlike the Vanquish's. Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 93 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 6:19 pm:    Shark, I know that Fiat Group nominally owns Ferrari's stock, but it is pledged to Mediobanca and their consortium, on top of the 38% share Mediobanca already owns. My point is that Fiat Group (the holding company controlled by the Agnelli family, with Umberto as the current chairman) have largely divested themselves of Fiat Auto, holding only 8% or so but still responsible for much of the debt, which is in the group's name, but owed by Auto to the Group. It's convoluted but the desire was to sell Auto (excluding Ferrari/Maserati) to GM in order to get rid of the entire group's debt. They have larger interests in travel (Club Med), printing and utilities than anything else, and they incurred massive debt for these acquisitions by pledging Auto stock to the banks. A GM sale would solve all of these problems and GM is contractually bound to accept a put by Fiat Group. At the end of the day Fiat Auto is controlled by a different group than Ferrari. The hot rumor in Milan this week is that VW have made a significant financial advance to Ferrari/Maserati in return for future technology and platforms. Machiavelli would be proud. ryan (Ferrari_kid) New member Username: Ferrari_kid Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 4:46 pm:    hah, they got rid of those pop up headlights. i was watching an episode of Top Gear and they were saying that everyone was getting rid of pop up headlights because it ruins aerodynamics. but a good point was brought up, you shouldn't be driving that fast at night anyway. Thomas I (Wax) Member Username: Wax Post Number: 618 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 3:51 pm:    Le luci posteriori della macchina bella sono trasposte! It>En: The posterior lights of the beautiful machine are transposed! Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof) Junior Member Username: Riconijhof Post Number: 103 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 3:21 pm:    Lol, look at the rear lights. Seems the picture is made by an idiot. Ze Shark (Ze_shark) Junior Member Username: Ze_shark Post Number: 81 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:48 am:    I'd tend to agree with the fellow members expressing their opinion hereunder that participating in a forum implies some minimal commonality of interests & opinions. To me, it does not mean either that any Ferrari criticism should be banned, one can love these cars while remaining objective about their shortcomings. I'll leave the rest to a french quote: "le m�pris est silencieux" To Alex: I let you take a look at the 2003H1 financial report, I did not check your statements about Fiat Group's stake into Fiat Auto, but the 56& stake in Ferrari is real, it's in their books ! Thomas I (Wax) Member Username: Wax Post Number: 608 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:31 pm:    The least I could do after your deeeeeeeetective work, agent 550. Your Squad Car ROCKS, BTW. As always, one and all are welcome to add the Blackballboard to their collections - Allan/Ellen - Whether you'll see an appropriate picture and/or response every time you troll Ferrarichat.com, The Online Ferrari Community, is totally up to you. Otherwise, go here, Assmunch. mike550 (Mikeg) Junior Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 162 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:19 pm:    Thomas - absolutely hilarious - still grinning Thomas I (Wax) Member Username: Wax Post Number: 606 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:17 pm:    mike550 (Mikeg) Junior Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:34 pm:    Allan - there are dozens of examples of you trolling on half a dozen other forums. I have posted a few - would you like more? You clearly are a persona non grata on the Viper forum. You dont even own a Viper you just hang out on that forum spewing lambo nonsense. Over 1,000 troll posts on viperclub.org Allan - the moron racist troll. Here is another example: Amir (Amir) Member Username: Amir Post Number: 284 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 7:35 pm:    Mike, beginning to see your point... Adnaan, you are wrong about "everyone" loving the Enzo. I am very impressed with the performance but I think it looks terrible. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1358 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 5:41 pm:    See Mike, if you look on the Nsx forum, youll see they were comparing it to the Ferrari, which i disagreed with. So i voiced my opinion, as i had an NSX, and felt it was not a proper comparison. Im glad you are so bored that you are trying to research my family histroy!lol Please call my father the Attorney and say Hello from his son!lol Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan) Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 5:35 pm:    Stephen. I agree. When the Enzo picutes came out everyone jumped. But when they saw the car for real they warmed to it very quickly. I think the 612 will be the same. Stephen A. Thompson, II (Sat4re) Junior Member Username: Sat4re Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 5:29 pm:    Back to the 612...I think it looks great. As with many Ferrari's...the 550/575 in particular, they usually look far better in reality than they do in photographs. I bet the 612 will look fantastic in person. mike550 (Mikeg) Junior Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 154 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 3:39 pm:    Thomas - very well said! Re: Allen "You might think you're a member - but the only member you are is a prick." You are correct, Allan is a prick and a troll. His day consists of bashing most Ferraris and then tossing one off in a dark room in a twisted celebration with his "partner." On a serious note, There is an aviation atty on the east coast named Al Fiedler. The guy might be his dad. Note only is the name the same - the atty had many of the same quality traits as our troll. I will try and confirm whether he has a lambo loving relative. Certainly his relatives must be proud of Allan's accomplishments on F-chat, Viper chat, NSX Chat, Z06 chat, Lotus Chat, exoticcar chat, Supra chat, etc. Here are some excerpts from his trolling on other boards. Any believe me - these are but just a few. A classic troll. Amir - would you not agree? Viper board NSX board Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 92 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:18 pm:    Fiat SPa have been divesting themselves of Fiat Auto ownership for several years. At this point General Motors own 20% of Fiat Auto, which does not include Ferrari-Maserati Group at all. The balance of Fiat Auto has been pledged to a syndicate of banks holding over $5 Billion (with a B) of debt. Even 'though Fiat SPa may nominally hold some of this stock, the banks control it and they have a put option to sell the balance of the stock to GM sometime in 2006. The relationship between Fiat Auto and Ferrari is that of supplier/client, not common ownership any more. A less clear factor is the contract of Luca Cordero Di Montezemolo who would have acquired a significant minority stake in a proposed but postponed IPO. He certainly has some deal for future ownership, otherwise he would have been long gone. Roy Kaller (Kaller) New member Username: Kaller Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:42 am:    One of the aspects I appreciate about Ferrari is their tradition of competition racing and victories. See my profile and you�ll see I own BMW, Porsche, and Ferrari. Even marquee cars like Peugeot, Citroen, Subaru, and Skoda have enough pride in their products to compete against other manufacturers. Lambo has enough pride to��hide. Ze Shark (Ze_shark) Junior Member Username: Ze_shark Post Number: 76 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 5:43 am:    Are you sure Alex ? I believe that the Ferrari capital was split the following way: - Fiat Group: 56% (as per the CY03H1 report http://www.fiatgroup.com/3uk.pdf page 64) - Mediobanca: around 30% - Piero Ferrari: 10% Fiat Group's stake is held by Fiat SPA, the parent company of the entire group. Thomas I (Wax) Member Username: Wax Post Number: 590 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 4:14 am:    Allen, I realize you're a little on the slow side, so I'm typing this reeeeeal slow. If you're in FerrariChat, don't bash Ferrari. However, if you feel compelled to bash Ferrari, be it; history, philosophy, speeds, prices, designs, caretakers of Ferraris, those who aspire to do so, etc. - while singing the praises of Lamborghini, do so in LamborghiniChat. Here is a shortcut: LamborghiniChat - The Online Lamborghini Community. This will take you directly there. Stay there. Forget you ever saw FerrariChat.com. While you're in LamborghiniChat, don't bash Lamborghini. After all, Ferrarichat.com members don't go there to bash Lamborghini, not that they couldn't, as Lamborghini is a far easier target, but, they, unlike you, Allen Fiedler, are not the Italian-car-owning equivalent of White Trash. You see, Just as one does not go to a chat-site dealing with Cigars to complain about Cigars, one does not go to a wine site singing the praises of aged Bourdeaux - to holler about how utterly fantastic Blush Zinfandel is. FerrariChat members understand that. You might think you're a member - but the only member you are is a prick. Brian Kennedy (Kennedy) Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 510 Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 3:40 am:    > Yup, youre right, a Ferrari is a Fiero, and a Lambo is a Lambo. Really? Why then when I googled "Lambo" earlier this evening to find a picture of one, all I got were a bunch of Fieros? allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1352 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 3:06 am:    Yup, youre right, a Ferrari is a Fiero, and a Lambo is a Lambo. Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47) New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:50 am:    "Much in the way as Ferrari's are unbelievably slow dressed up Fiats?" -allan- well, according to the relationship between ferrari and fiat as alex stated, a ferrari is a ferrari, and a lambo is an audi. thanks alex Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 91 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 12:07 am:    Fiat Auto has nothing to do with Ferrari. Ferrari is partly owned by Fiat industrial, which sold 92% of Fiat auto many years ago. Ferrari's major owner is Mediobanca, a large bank headquartered in Milan, as well as several other banks, Fiat Industrial (the Agnelli family holding company, which owns Club Med, several utility companies and several telecomm and electronics companies), and Piero Lardi Ferrari who still owns 10% directly. Nothing like Audi which is a 100% susbsidiary of Volkwagen Group Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47) New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:39 pm:    can someone explain the specific relationship between ferrari and fiat? i know that fiat owns part of ferrari, but isnt the relationship much different than the way audi owns lambo?? Andrew Menasce (Amenasce) Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1675 Registered: 10-2001 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:01 pm:    Dan , once more , Spot on ! The Bentley GT is nothing special inside. And outside it looks like a Tonka toy or an oversized Lexus Sc 430 .. I prefer the old Continental. Much more Unique and special evne if its slower. Steve M (Steve308gtsi) Junior Member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 160 Registered: 5-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:59 pm:    Road & Track tested the 4400lb. 4-door E55 at 0-60 4.2 and the 1/4 mile in 12.4 sec. In comparison the 360 did 0-60 in 4.3 and the 1/4 in 12.8 sec . Those Benzes can to damage to a unsuspecting person. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1349 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:40 pm:    Much in the way as Ferrari's are unbelievably slow dressed up Fiats? Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 90 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:27 pm:    John they are unbelievably fast cars but they are simply unbelievably fast Audis dressed up. I have nothing against them. Gregory (Prugna_328) Junior Member Username: Prugna_328 Post Number: 78 Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 8:56 pm:    Never mind the E55, what about the CL65. 600HP, WOW! john (Johnwto) Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 123 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 8:47 pm:    alex how can you say the murcielgo and the bentley gt are "Lots of posturing without any real substance"????????????????????? these are seriously fast cars MUCH better than their predecessors Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 85 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 7:31 pm:    If VW ever purchases Ferrari then Ferrari as we know it will be no longer. The pre takeover cars will maintain their value and the new ones will be reskinned Audis just like the Lambos and Bentley and Bugattis, selling at a huge premium over the base chassis. Audis are wonderful cars, especially the new S8, make no mistake about that, and they are fairly priced. But when you take the basic chassis, add a new two door body to it and call it a Bentley, or a Lambo or even a Bugatti, you are overreaching - something that Allan is very familiar with. Lots of posturing without any real substance. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1335 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 5:50 pm:    Ricky have you seen the reports on the new Benzes? They will blow your mind. A E55 will hurt a 575m. Dan (Bobafett) Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1619 Registered: 9-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 5:38 pm:    I'm surprised by everyone's comments about the Bentley GT - my feeling was that the interior really wasn't up to snuff. lots of very obvious audi bits, the steering wheel looks like it came out of an 80's trans am, and the rear seats - fuggehdaboudit. --Dan Paul Kithoray (Paul_kithoray) New member Username: Paul_kithoray Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 4:36 pm:    I'm disapppointed with what I've seen of the 612. It looks under-wheeled and too much like a Maranello from the rear when a more elegent rump (a la 456) would have better suited. As for the interior, its put to shame by the Bentley Continental GT. Why the LED instrument graphics in what is supposed to be an elegant Grand Tourer? Finally, I have a problem with the name. Why 612? It doesn't fit with the engine size at all, Ferrari shouldn't stoop to falsely bragging about size, leave that to Mercedes-Benz! I thought 460GT Bologna sounded better but I guess the Ferrari tradition of last minute name changes lives on (LM/F40, Barchetta/F50, F60/Enzo). Rikky Alessi (Ralessi) Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 417 Registered: 5-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 3:29 pm:    Mercedes E55/S55 over this? Are you crazy? Do they do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds? How about your M5, does that do it that fast? OK, the price may be a bit high for what it has to offer but it is a Ferrari, that is the way it has always been and probably always will be. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are obviously differing opinions on the looks of this car. I personally love it, while you, Allan, may hate it, that does not mean all Ferraris since the 512 have been "uninspiring." Maybe to you, but who cares what you think (besides you of course), we've already heard it once (actually more like 100 times), you do not need to keep telling us. Kevin S. (Wolfgang5150) Junior Member Username: Wolfgang5150 Post Number: 72 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:53 pm:    Dave Quick: Please contact me off-line. Thanks. [email protected] jake diamond (Rampante) Junior Member Username: Rampante Post Number: 157 Registered: 4-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:41 pm:    So, I guess if it ever comes to pass, that VW takes over Ferrari, all the naysayers here will no longer purchase a Ferrari and will then be as negative in your attitude towards Ferrari that you seem to be regarding Lamborghini under VW/Audi. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1330 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:35 pm:    Lol. Another great statement from a Supra inspired Ferrari driver. I would rather drive a dutch inspired, german built supercar, than a fiat built, blind man inspired $hitbox. Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 84 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 2:27 pm:    This car is an anomaly, given the Maserati brand. The New 4 door Mas is clearly as competent a car and probably roomier. I'm certain that no-one will drive this car at its published limits, especially not with anyone in the back! From a performance point of view it is similar to other 2 + 2's, such as the benz CL series and the new CL 65 is probably much faster anyway. I can't understand the rationale here. I love Ferraris and I especially am enjoying my 575 which is superb in every way, but when I need to move more than 2 people rapidly and comfortably the Benz is the answer. But whatever it is, it's streets ahead of any Lambo designed by a Dutchman and built by a German corporation. It may be competent, but just like Allan it has sold its soul to the Devil Dave Quick (Davequick) New member Username: Davequick Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:43 pm:    Adnaan - or even better, a massively discounted used 456 brought in on trade for the 612... which is my plan. :-) Let the 456 prices continue to plummet as I hope and think they will as a result of the 612. Sweet. Still counting my pennies to get me a 456. :-) Ze Shark (Ze_shark) Junior Member Username: Ze_shark Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:43 pm:    The Vanquish in 2+2 configuration is a joke, rear seats are unusable, even by dwarves, this is why Aston mostly showcases versions with some luggage space, not too far from a Maranello, 612 looks way more roomy at the back. The interior of the Vanquish looks nicer to me in terms of design, although finish is not top. Where the 612 might have difficulties to compete is noise, the Aston is simply stunning in that area. Amir (Amir) Member Username: Amir Post Number: 271 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 11:50 am:    They are well on their way. Jack up the suspension, and there you have it. Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee) Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 520 Registered: 12-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:07 am:    Let's hope someday they don't make an SUV Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan) Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:05 am:    Not that I have the money to put into a new Ferrari at the moment, but if I did, I would buy a massively discounted new 456. I imagine the 612 would cost over �200K, but I hear a new 456 could be had for a lot less than list price and without waiting for too long. Although the 612 looks better on the outside, the 456 looks better on the inside. And since that is where I want to spend most of my time, I'd save the money and by a 2nd hand 355 as my second car! OH one can dream sweet dreams.... Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47) New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 9:02 am:    Amir, i like what you've done to adjust the attitude of this car, now it looks more like the drawings. i hope that the other pics are deceptive and in person the 612 looks a little more sleek. ill have to see it in person to make a final judgement. but in any case, i think that this design is awsome. James Glickenhaus (Napolis) Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2820 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 8:48 am:    It's beautiful? I want it? The only person who say he's going to buy one is going to wait until it depreciates. What does that tell us? There are 3000 firm orders for the new Bentley coupe. Do you think there are 3000 firm orders for this car? The drawings were much more interesting than this car. The Ferrari Chat mods are better than their design. The interior, compared to the Aston or Bentley is very poor. Very. At a time when the new P supercar is coming with a cermic clutch that will last the life of the car, Ferrari's must be cutting edge to compete. Their F1 cars are but is this one? Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk) Member Username: Ferrari_uk Post Number: 588 Registered: 12-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 6:14 am:    More pictures here... http://www.ferrari.co.uk luciano favero (Ontogenetic1007) New member Username: Ontogenetic1007 Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 1:55 am:    >in the hands of the "people's car" maker. apropos of "people's car" maker - one may wish to revisit Fiat's past advertisements �� >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Playing around with the front fascia, and lowering the car but keeping an airy, open feel in the cockpit... >also, 2 different headlight treatments. Now this is the 2+2 that Ferrari should have made. What do you guys think? that it looks like that in person. Amir (Amir) Member Username: Amir Post Number: 267 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:55 am:    Playing around with the front fascia, and lowering the car but keeping an airy, open feel in the cockpit...also, 2 different headlight treatments. Now this is the 2+2 that Ferrari should have made. What do you guys think? Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee) Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 519 Registered: 12-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:50 am:    It is a beauty. Another potential collection Still the best color combination is blue with tan with black carpet Amir (Amir) Member Username: Amir Post Number: 266 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:45 am:    If it was wider, lower, with more modern touches, some nice design features like the Enzo's rear lights... mike550 (Mikeg) Junior Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:30 am:    I think the car looks fantastic and at 4.2 seconds it is faster / just as fast as the 575 and 360. A great looking 2 + 2. Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47) New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:04 am:    Amir, haha whoopse thats what i meant. Mark (Study) Member Username: Study Post Number: 961 Registered: 10-2001 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:03 am:    Bill- I think it looks just like the drawing. Whoops...who posted the wrong drawings for Ferrari? Amir (Amir) Member Username: Amir Post Number: 265 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:02 am:    Trying hard to like it. But I can't. It's ugly. Too upright. Too rounded and bouncy looking. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1316 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 12:00 am:    No, Tony, for buying a Ferrari! Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47) New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:50 pm:    i think this is a very nice looking car, but the one thing that i am wondering is what the stance of it looks like in real life. it doesnt seem to have the same streamline aggressive attitude that the preliminary drawings had; but ill have to see it in person. i have to keep reminding myself that this is the predecessor to the 456, so its not suppose to be like the 550/575 line. in any case its an awsome ferrari. Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt) Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 161 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:35 pm:    The only banging you're doing Ellen is banging your head against the wall for buying a lambo. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1313 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:30 pm:    Lol Alex, keep telling yourself that! Keep dreaming buddy! Like ive said before, Ferrari is severly lacking when it comes to roadcars, and coming from a guy who owns 2 of the worst examples of Ferrari's to date.... your opinion counts for little with me. As for being the little guy in high school, i was the guy banging your girlfriend, while you were showering with the boys in the lockeroom. Amir (Amir) Member Username: Amir Post Number: 264 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:27 pm:    Jesus Christ, that thing is hideous. I am with Allan on this one. It's a Panoz, but uglier. What are they thinking???!!!! Warren Balla (West662) Junior Member Username: West662 Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:18 pm:    haha. Well said Alex. Alex Papas (Alexpapas) Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 83 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:16 pm:    The problem with Allan is that he has a fairly common psychological condition - underdog affinity. No matter what he will always root for the obvious underdog and disdain the superior competitor. He was obviously the smaller kid at school, the 2nd rate athlete in little league, and so on. He can't help himself. He loves the afflicted, which clearly describes a brand that has bounced around the world from owner to owner to owner and is now in the hands of the "people's car" maker. Quite the recommendation, I'm sure...... Ernesto (T88power) Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1787 Registered: 2-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:59 pm:    I think it is a great looking car! Simply beautiful. The last Lambo you can call beautiful was the Miura. Ernesto john (Johnwto) Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:40 pm:    i'm with allan on this one. the car is UGLY! i would take a murcielgo over that any day day of the week. i can't believe u guys actually like this thing. we'll see how many of you actually buy one allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1311 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 9:31 pm:    Ahhhh, Supra looking Ferrari driver got his panties ruffled because someone made a derogatory comment about an F-car. Putz. mike550 (Mikeg) Junior Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 147 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:50 pm:    Nothing could make Allen less of an idiot. Go rev up your lambo at the local high school again to impress the kids. allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1308 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:32 pm:    Nothing could make that car look any better. Mr. Doody (Doody) Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1955 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:30 pm:    do you guys think it's time for ferrari to stop producing 2+2s and maybe leave that market to maserati? doody. Robert (Rjklein4470) Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 319 Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:26 pm:    Allen, I would wait until you can see this car in person. There are many cars that I saw in a picture, that I thought were off the mark, and in person they were rigth on. I just would hate, to see you have to eat crow. Rob Erik (Teenferrarifan) Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 390 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 8:23 pm:    Don't get me wrong I think the design is sharp looking, but for what it will cost. I would rather be in the bent cont or for that matter a cl55 and save in that case over a $125g's. There are just two many 4 seat passanger cars out there that offer this type of performance now. Before other companies weren't making 400+hp cars. Just my 2cents. Erik allan fiedler (Allanlambo) Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1299 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 7:16 pm:    Adnan, the only way Lambo could design a car as dull and unaspiring as this, is if it hired Ferrari's designers to do it. I mean come on, look at the yellow 512 thread. THAT is a Ferrari, this is a poor excuse. Id take a 85 Testarossa over this car anyday. Being serious, id take any Mercedes E55,S55 etc over this car. The new M5 will dust it also, for much less, and look better doing it. Warren Balla (West662) Junior Member Username: West662 Post Number: 67 Registered: 8-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 7:06 pm:    I think the car looks great. Mark I think it will be tough for Ferrari to Compete with the Vanquish with the 612 Scaglietti. Sure, the 612 has more power, is faster, and bears the prancing horse on its grill, but in my opinion the Vanquiah is one of the most beautiful cars EVER built. I think A.M. could have got more horsepower out of that V12, and 0-60 in 5 seconds doesn't make me jump out of my seat, but, dammit! the car is just so sexy and elegent! I like the inteirior in the 612, minus the center console switches, but take another look at the Vanquish interior. Perfection. I don't mean to put down the 612, I think its great, the new body design, and the 540 HP. But, If I was looking for an Exotic/Super/Luxury car, I wouldnt be ordering it from Maranello. alberto bavai (Abavai) Junior Member Username: Abavai Post Number: 182 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 6:02 pm:    Beautiful seats , but i don�t like the wheel and central console. Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan) Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 5:53 pm:    SOmeone send Ferrari the pictures that Ferrari posted. Hopefully its not too late to make a few last minute changes! Plus the guy who done them deserves a job at Ferrari! Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400) Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2239 Registered: 12-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 5:49 pm:    Ok, Im glad you guys posted these. At first I thought the replacement was hideous, but its design is growing on me because it seems relatively understated. I just dont know if I like the "bubble" designs of modern cars today... Now the picture Andrew posted, Id like to see that happen Mark (Study) Member Username: Study Post Number: 957 Registered: 10-2001 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 5:46 pm:    How does this car compare against the Vanquish? Don't they make Vanquish in 2+2 seating and 2+0? Is Aston Martin any competition for Ferrari? Price? HP? z. b. (Cheeseman) New member Username: Cheeseman Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 5:29 pm:    sorry, I dont spend enough time on this site and I'm so used to everyone criticising every little minute detail. I think the car looks great and cant wait to see it. Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan) Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 64 Registered: 4-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 4:37 pm:    SOrry Allan. Was that the new Lambo you were talking about?????