| Author | Message | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 607 Registered: 11-2002 |
Everyone keeps saying it's the ultimate supercar to date and so on... But who says it is ? - Why is the topspeed the thing that judges this? - Becaues if we talk looks, engineering, comfort, cornering, brakes and so on, there's about 20 supercars that beats the McLaren F1 by 2 miles. I getting tempted to ask, who has the fastest roadcar in the world? BMW or McLaren? - I don't know, but definately don't think it's McLaren, because their chassis isn't the one doing the "thing" here. Put the BMW motor in a 355 chassis, and you will have a car which is just as fast. Wo isn't BMW the real winners here? Ferrari has stated somewhere, that they don't have any plans of making a car with a bigger top speed, bacuse they can't see the reason. They make better cars anyway. And a car where the steeringwheel is in the middle of the car? C'mon, can't be very comfortable. | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 201 Registered: 5-2003 |
James read my post again, you didn't understand me well | ||
| Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47)
New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2003 |
Jim, IM THERE!!! only thing is...i dont have either car to donate for the comparison. | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 400 Registered: 6-2003 |
Only one way to settle it, on the track. Name the time and place!  | ||
| Paul G. (Diesirae)
Junior Member Username: Diesirae Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2001 |
Definitely Ditka!  | ||
| mrdigital (Mrdigital)
New member Username: Mrdigital Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2002 |
Ditka would beat both of them. | ||
| Dave (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 610 Registered: 4-2001 |
Hmmm, I had the pleasure of driving an old Indy car years back, and if I remember right it had a Cosworth engine in it's chassis. So what! Now back to Testarossa vs Countach.... Having driven both a carb and an injected Countach, I have to say that I was blown away by the sound of the carb car, but overall felt that the way the car handled, combined with the way I fit inside, added to the fact that I couldn't see what was behind me very well, was enought for me to pass on buying one of the cars that I had always wanted. As for the Testarossa, I will pass as well, But.... I am pretty sure that my next F-car will be a 512TR | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 758 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hubie Hubie Hubie - Never did I state that the chassis wasn't well produced. I guess you either need to: 1. Re-read the thread. or 2. Take some reading comprehension classes. You know what? I've never layered CF upon CF and then baked it. But either have you, so what's your point? And Hubie, it's MY OPINION. Go ahead and give me your opinion, and we can discuss who's makes more sense. But the first thing you do is call me stupid and laugh? What an a$$. | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 757 Registered: 11-2002 |
Christ - I don't know why you guys are all attacking me. Is it socially stupid to think that McLaren can't run with the big dogs because they didn't produce their own engine? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1559 Registered: 1-2002 |
Nebula: the fact that you would "discount" the car (as a whole) based on the fact that it's got an outsourced engine speaks to your "..knowning something about engineering..." nebula. Have you ever even thumbed through "driving ambition: story of the mclaren f1"? have you ever designed, layed, cured and assembled an all carbon fiber monocoque chassis, or a suspension arm, or an exhaust system, etc etc etc The car is far more than just the sum of it's parts, and that has nothing to do with how "fast" it is, nebula. You don't have a clue, becuase you've never put a car (from a bare chassis) back together like I have. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 505 Registered: 3-2002 |
> Until McLaren produces their own motor, they ain't in the same league. I never said Mclaren is in the same league with Ferrari. I said the Mclaren F1 (the streetcar) is the finest supercar built to date. You can disparage Mclaren for not building engines, but that in NO WAY brings down the car... ...unless you buy a car just for the name. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1558 Registered: 1-2002 |
James: there's already quite a enthusiasts owners (of various marques) that are running the tilton 4.5 inch carbon/carbon clutches on the street, and love it. Initially it may be a bit hard to get used to, but I don't think it'll be prohibitve or uncomfortable for daily use. I have a 6 inch clutch , and a 7 lbs Aluminum flywheel on my daily driver, and couldn't imagine ever going back to stock. | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 756 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey James - I know a couple that has purchased one. They just got back from Stuttgart and heard the Carrera rev up. He said it sounded amazing, because the tiny clutch allows the rev to rise and lower with amazing speed. They also drove it around the test track with an experienced driver at the wheel. The husband said that most everyone, even he, got sick! And Hubie - despite what you may think, I do know something about car engineering. And my knowledge of engineering has nothing to do with my opinion about the McLaren's standing as a supercar. Is it fast? Sure, but that doesn't mean that I think it deserves the same respect as an F-car or Lambo. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2836 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hugh What do you think about that ceramic clutch? Will it, 6.5" be too small (flywheel) for the street? From what the article said they hope to make 1500 a year and will make as many as they can sell. My neighbor (the one with the GT2) ordered one and is going to trade his GT2 against it. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1557 Registered: 1-2002 |
James: It's going to be a phenomenal car (irrespective of the badge -- just like ALL of them are as you've said). Do you know if they've announced production #'s? Regarding "... just don't miss a shift..." I wouldn't have it any other way (And, I don't think you would either). | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2835 Registered: 10-2002 |
L. Anyone who has stood in the rain at night and watched that race understands that cars that have won at LeMans are quite different from those that haven't.  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2834 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hugh Check out this weeks Autoweek. The new P supercar is the real deal. (Just don't miss a shift.) | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 198 Registered: 5-2003 |
Its so stupid to say that until the Enzo doesn't win Le Mans then its not in the same category or it isn't better than the F1, first of all we would need to travel back in time and then have the Enzo race the same races as the F1 did. Time changes and the cars racing today have better technology than the older cars, even if the Enzo was to race Le Mans in the future races and doesn't win that doesn't mean that the F1 is in any way superior, it just means that the F1 was at the right time at the right place to win. But it doesn't make it a better car. As time goes there will always be a better car and truly this conversation of what or which one is better it only really matters to the people who are owners or to prospective buyers of this supercars, so lets just stick to what we run as this would be a more practical conversation. Just my 2 quaters. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1556 Registered: 1-2002 |
Nebula: you've just shown that you know nothing about the mclaren F1, engineering and cars in general. Thanks for the laugh. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 583 Registered: 7-2003 |
Nebula's 0-60 in .02 seconds Ape  | ||
| David N (Nboy)
New member Username: Nboy Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'm a car fanatic, and I think all of the cars mentioned in the thread are great, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Mclaren. I prefer Ferraris (just wish they were more reliable), but when it comes down to it, on the streets or track, the driver behind the wheel makes ALL the performance difference between any one of these cars. And lets face it, some 18yr old kid in a hoppped up Subaru/ Nissan/ Toyota/ Mazda/ etc. with nitrous could waste my Testarossa or 355 at a light or on a skidpad. And for the record, the Enzo and Mclaren are exceptional cars, but if I had the money to buy either one, I would get much more fun out of the car collection I could buy for the same price... just think of how many cool cars you could buy for a million bucks! I agree with Allan on that score. And for TR vs. Countach, after driving both, its all personal preference, but I like the TR MUCH better, and don't have to do the Lambo open door dance when I want to back up :P Theres my $.02 David | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1217 Registered: 4-2002 |
"Until McLaren produces their own motor, they ain't in the same league." I, respectfully, disagree. The above statement indicates that to build a SuperCar a company has to have every base covered. Yet in a more real situation, a company can be WISE enough to let a different company build a motor to its specifications inorder to keep the cost structure to a (ahem) resaonable $1M. For the same reason the Ferrari, (Mercedes, Porsche, and everyone else) let some other company build con rod bolts, washers, nuts,... Why? Because they are financially WISE enough to let someone who is more knoledgeable in that activity do the (specialized) manufacture. This, in no way, detracts from the F1 stature at the ultimate/penultimate SuperCar. | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 755 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sorry Brian, but unless the engineering levels are the same, McLaren will always come out on top. It's an unfair comparison, plain and simple. Until McLaren produces their own motor, they ain't in the same league. Let me pose a question: I take a Lotus Elise chassis (fantastic chassis) and add an Enzo motor with a twin turbo system. I do a few mods to the suspension to compensate for the new engine, and I paint it purple and call it the Bill F1. The car handles wonderfully and has a top speed of 900mph and goes like a raped ape. 0-60 in .02seconds. If the Bill F1 now the number one supercar in the world? | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 502 Registered: 3-2002 |
> Am I making any sense? No, sorry. BMW did get some credit... heck, I remember BMW ads touting the technology in the Mclaren F1. And as you said, Mclaren didn't hide anything. Further, should a car maker not get credit for a car because they use other companies' subsystems? Brembo brakes. Bosch electronics. And on and on. What company makes those exotic aluminum and titanium alloys used in those engines?? Or even the steel alloys? That's how you build a system in the modern world... you hire employees to do some stuff and you hire other companies to do other stuff. In the end, the Mclaren F1 is a car... it is the car that is getting the glory... and though the car is most strongly associated with the lead designer (Mclaren), that doesn't invalidate the fact that the car, the Mclaren F1, remains the ultimate supercar (IMO) to this day. | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 753 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tyson - let me put it this way. Say some author won the Nobel Peace Prize for a book he wrote. Assume he became world famous and loved throughout the world because of this great work. Now assume that it is discovered that the author used the core arguments of some other guy, and only reworded it? He would lose his Nobel, and the world would realize that he's a fake. Now, everyone knew at the onset that McLaren did not use it's own motor. But the fact is, Lambo puts in the hard work to develop a chassis AND motor, Ferrari puts in the hard work to develop a chassis AND motor, Porsche puts in the hard work to develop a chassis AND motor. McLaren does half the work and gets all the credit. Let me put it another way: assume that Team Lola decided to enter into LeMans next year, and they built a chassis using an Enzo engine. Then they won. Do they deserve the win as much as Ferrari, who built the engine AND the chassis? Am I making any sense? If all I had to do was build a chassis and rape some other manufacturer for an engine, and I had McLaren's resources, I could build a bad-a$$ LeMans car. But without serious resources and serious engineers and serious facilities, there is no way I could build a world class motor. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1211 Registered: 4-2002 |
Point 1: Not only did F1 win at LeMans, it was the first road car that had to be detuned (to 600 HP) and had its movable underbody aerodynamics removed in order to compete. In many ways, the street car is superior to the race car! Point 2: It would be interesting to put an F1 on 2003 rubber and rerun those tests under identicle conditions. It is simply not fair to compare 1/4 mile times from different tracks; just look at top fuel cars 4.44 seconds one weekend, 4.75 seconds the next at a different track under different weather conditioins. It is also not fair to compare this years car on this years tires with ancient cars on ancient tires. | ||
| Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47)
New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2003 |
james, i was strictly regarding a stock mclaren. the LM version would most definately have modified breaks and suspension. it would be awsome to see the enzo and mclaren racing side by side at LM!! | ||
| Joshua Findlay (Jpf)
New member Username: Jpf Post Number: 42 Registered: 9-2003 |
Sorry about my typing, it is terrible, but I think yo ucan interpret what I was trying to say. ;-) | ||
| Joshua Findlay (Jpf)
New member Username: Jpf Post Number: 41 Registered: 9-2003 |
Just topole my nose in here, I know a guy who owns both an Enzo AND an F1, and he likes the F1 hands down over the Enzo. Don't get me wrong, he REALLY LOKES the Enzo, like ALOT, but he says that the Mclaren is just a better car. He has owned and raced many vintage cars, including a Daytona coupe, and was in the Ferrari Challenge last year, and he prefers the Mclaren to any of them. Just though I would say that. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2821 Registered: 10-2002 |
The McLaren F1 won LeMans. It's brakes seemed sufficient to accomplish that. Hopefully the Enzo/Maser and the Murcie GTR will begin racing soon and we'll see how they do. We already know how thew new P supercar will do as as Autoweek just pointed out it's basically a road going version of the car that won LeMans. What does any of this have to do with us? These are ALL great cars. Saying one's "better" than the next is silly. They're different. Is a steak better than a lobster or is it different? At LeMans it matters. On the street the only thing that matters is driving something that makes you happy. I've gotten a enormus enjoyment from bug eye sprites and they're somewhat less expensive that any of these cars. Anyone who is lucky enough to be able to afford one of these cars should realize it's a gift that can dissapear in a heartbeat and worry less about what other think and enjoy themselves. | ||
| Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47)
New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2003 |
to bring a subjective element into this discussion, has anyone here driven a mclaren around a track, or at least push the limits of this car? ive heard that it its brakes are sketchy to say the least, but unfortunately, ive never had the oportunity to even sit in this car, let alone drive it. and how does it compare to the enzo related to balance and feel. also, we should try to compare numbers besides straight line acceleration, which is something that any boat on wheels with a ton power can do. just because a car can go 240 or whatever mph, doesnt mean that its fast around a track. haha, what a tangent this discussion is | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 1146 Registered: 2-2002 |
Is anyone else sick of reading Ellen's bable?? Can't wait for the new software | ||
| Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Member Username: Ferruccio Post Number: 280 Registered: 2-2003 |
What happened to the Countach vs Testarossa! I was looking forward to to this..... a real fight when supercars were supercars. The good old days. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1555 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wow! More magazine racing. Do all of you do everything vicariously, and based upon conjuncture and inference? | ||
| darren hart (Darhart)
New member Username: Darhart Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2003 |
Andrew, What a load of crap. There is no way the F1 is like a boat round the track, ive know idea if an F40 would beat it or not ive not seen the 2 race together, but please... and no i have never seen the fast and the furious. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1667 Registered: 10-2001 |
Fast and Furious kids think the F1 still is the king but the truth is the F1 is like a boat around a track.An F40 is faster .. Dont bring the GTR in the conversation thats a race car. The road F1 is a supercar for Vin Diesel.At thefirst corner it will get ass raped by an Enzo, an F50 or an F40 . | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1666 Registered: 10-2001 |
Yeah the XJ 220 really dethroned the F40 ..lol. | ||
| darren hart (Darhart)
New member Username: Darhart Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2003 |
I think when an Enzo wins Le Mans, then you can start asking which is the greater car. (by the way any one else booked up for next year yet?) | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1326 Registered: 6-2002 |
Im sorry, but youre using stats from the worst report of Mclaren F1 available. The car was clearly a troubled car, as evidenced by the fact it was overheating on every corner. As for the 102 degree weather accounting for only 1/10 of a second, you are clearly mistaken. You will notice a clear difference in performance in any sportscar in a variance of 26 degrees. The Mclaren is documented to have gone 240mph, and here is the Evo test of the Enzo, with a factory driver doing the test. I also believe they noted in the U.S. magazines that they were able to test the accelration of the Enzo, on a portion of the track with a DOWNWARD slope. EVO June 03 Enzo 0-60=3.5sec 0-100=7.0 sec 0-120=9.6 Yes, it says right here: :These figures are not definitive, the straight was on a slight downhill slope. Every magazine got different results, and Ferraris figures are different yet again. What we can say is that the Enzo is not quite as quick as the Mclaren. Taking an average of all three sets of times the Enzo recorded, the Mclaren is faster. About a 1/2 second faster to 170mph. So the F1 may still be king, but as my dear old gran used to say "son, whichever way you look at it, its F--king fast" | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 438 Registered: 6-2003 |
Nebula, a car that swept Le Mans doesn't deserve to run in the same comparisons as Ferrari and Lambo? | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 748 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey Mark, the differences are good for maybe a 10th of a sec in the quarter mile. Also, consider that the Enzo weighs almost 500lbs more.... | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 747 Registered: 11-2002 |
As far as I'm concerned, no car deserves the title of supercar unless it uses its OWN MOTOR. The McLaren, regardless how nifty it may be, is nothing based on the fact that it uses a bastardized BMW (or is it Merc) engine. If all Ferrari had to design was a chassis, it could put a ton more money into it. Same is true of the engine. Fact is, Ferrari developed an engine and chassis capable of BEATING the F1, which only had to develop a chassis. Just my 0.02, but until McLaren steps up and produces its own road motor, it doesn't deserve to run in the same comparisons as Ferrari and Lambo. | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1077 Registered: 4-2003 |
102 deg F, elev. 1270 ft VS. 77 deg F, elev. 150ft Doesn't seem very fair | ||
| Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
Member Username: Evartanian Post Number: 284 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ha! funny how Testarossa vs Countach turned into Mclaren F1 vs Enzo. | ||
| Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
Member Username: Evartanian Post Number: 283 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well, hmm. I usually stay out of such entanglements, however...perhaps I can provide some stats for ya'll. These are from Road & Track, dunno if these will be acceptable or not, but this is what I have. I know there has been some controversy over these types of stats (Road&Track in particular), but here they are nevertheless. Taken straight from the book... McLaren F1 - test issue 12/97 Conditions: 102 deg F, wind calm, elev. 1270 ft. Test Weight: 2945 lbs. V-12 627 bhp @ 7400rpm 479 lb-ft @4000rpm 0-60 3.4sec 0-100 7.7sec 1/4mi [email protected] top speed 231 mph 60-0 127ft. 80-0 215 Lateral Acc. .86g (200ft. skidpad) Speed through 700ft. Slalom 64.5mph Test fuel econ. 11.5mpg Ferrari Enzo - test issue 7/03 Conditions: 77 deg F, wind light, elev. 150ft. Test Weight 3410 lbs. V-12 650 bhp @ 7800rpm 485 lb-ft @ 5500rpm 0-60 3.3 sec 0-100 6.6 sec 1/4mi [email protected] top speed 218 mph (estimated) 60-0 109ft. 80-0 188ft. Lateral Acc. 1.01g (200ft. skidpad) Speed through 700ft. Slalom 73.0mph Test Fuel Econ. 13.3mpg | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 195 Registered: 5-2003 |
Just look at Road&Track road test about the Enzo, I think the enzo beat the F1 by 11 mph in the quater mile alone, besides if you do enough reading the old GTO evoluzione had a real speed of 240mph or maybe more and the Enzo had the capabilities of doing 260 mph. but Ferrari wasn't interested in having the worlds fastest top speed car, they were looking for a complete balanced car. The F1 rides all over the place scaring the •••• of the drivers after it passes only 200mph, all they wanted was to win the top speed claim. This was totally stupid and still is, also there was the Dauer Porsche 962 for about $750,000 with a 0-60 in 2.7 sec. and a top speed of 251 mph. and this wasn't a bare bones racer, it was a real street car. | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 194 Registered: 5-2003 |
In all the mags. out there the Enzo is faster in acceleration all the way to its top speed by a long shot at 218 mph. the F1 tops speed is 231 mph, not 240mph like many people think. In real the F1 will never beat it in the track nor in the road, theres not a straight long enough for the F1 to catch and pass the Enzo. Besides I hear that the F1 max is .87 in cornering, thats like an old non turbo 944 porsche, I have seen the F1 street car in a track and it leans and body rolls like a school bus. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1323 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hmmmm, id have a tough time between a Mclaren and an Enzo. I saw a Mclaren, and style wise it didnt do it for me. Looks good from the front, ugly side and rear views. No, i think id definately take the Enzo, in yellow please! Now would i take an Enzo over an F40,512Tr,Murcielago,Pagani and a Countach? Hell NO! | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Intermediate Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 1104 Registered: 12-2001 |
Bill, I'm pretty sure the Mac F1 is still uncontested as the supreme supercar. I know I would rather have the F1 than the Enzo. I don't have any figures, sorry. There is a FChat member who has both, maybe he'll come along and give some insight. | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1074 Registered: 4-2003 |
Allan - I guess you will have to start calling it the Fiestarossa | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1321 Registered: 6-2002 |
Bill, there are no published reports on track times or braking figures that i know of. There are several tests in which it has been noted that the Enzo cannot match the 0-60mph, 0-100mph or top speed of the Mclaren. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1320 Registered: 6-2002 |
Robin, im 6ft tall, and fit fine in my Countach. Anyways, i like this part : " All around was noise, of course .... the Lamborghini Countach is quicker, better handling, better braked, and nicer to drive .... After that, the Testarossa felt like a Ford Fiesta. | ||
| Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47)
New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2003 |
allan, my opinion is that the enzo is much better than the mclaren....but i would seriously like some quantitative statistics for both cars. do you happen to have acceleration times throughout both car's speed range, lateral g's, braking distances, and whatnot for the enzo and mclaren? people only talk about top speed and 0-60 all the time, id really like some other stats to compare these cars. im going to try and dig some up too. thanks | ||
| Michael Palilonis (Mpalilonis)
New member Username: Mpalilonis Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2003 |
Last weekend I got a ride in my neighbors 89' Countach and when I went to get in I smashed my head on the roof because some how they expect a 6 foot person to realize that when you get in a car that comes up to your waist you have to watch your head as you climb over the frame rail and into the bucket seats, which I swear where like 2 inches off the ground. Least that is what I thought after I smashed my head. I thought I was riding a slammed horse or something, trying to stradle the frame rail and keep my balance at the same time. Needless to say it ended up being a a wonderful ride. Sounds good to when its in its cold start mode. PS- He just bought this car like 3 months ago. This thing only has 11k on it and it looks good. But it does need some touching up. | ||
| Andy Barre (Abarre)
Junior Member Username: Abarre Post Number: 90 Registered: 7-2003 |
How much is a decent Countach? Are they easy to find and keep running? | ||
| Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Member Username: Ferruccio Post Number: 279 Registered: 2-2003 |
Great article! Although I am 6 foot tall and didn't find the countach cramped. It fit me like a glove. These magazines streatch the truth when discribing how hard this car is to drive. (its about as hard as my work truck) You haven't lived intill you've driven this incredible machine. Its that good! My dream car is the Countach but wouldn't mind a Testarossa as well. In fact that would be a great collection! | ||
| Robin Masters (Slowcar)
New member Username: Slowcar Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2003 |
Same article. On the Lambo"... If you're more than about 5ft 10in, you have to slouch in the seat, bum forward, knees high, head retracted into the shoulders as far as is comfortable ...." As I've always thought. Lambos are for small people who need a car to help them feel bigger than others... ;-) | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1318 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ummm Bill, The Enzo most certainly did not dethrone the Mclaren as the Mclaren is still faster accelerating and has a much higher top speed. | ||
| Bill Randazzo (Scuderia47)
New member Username: Scuderia47 Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2003 |
"No other supercars had ever dominated the supercar scene for so long. Porsche 959 appeared in 1987 and was soon eclipsed by Ferrari F40 in a year's time, the latter was overshadowed by Jaguar XJ220 and Bugatti EB110 in 1992. McLaren F1, obviously the greatest supercar today, clinched the title in the next year, but no one would even imagine it to hold the title until 2006." -from the article- is 2006 a misprint or wishful thinking....the enzo definately dethroned the McLaren. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1315 Registered: 6-2002 |
I love this article. Best part is when they say the Testarossa felt like a Ford Fiesta! http://autozine.kyul.net/countach/countach_9.htm |