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Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member
Username: Ralfabco
Post Number: 970
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 6:04 pm: | |
Mike bringing over a euro car can be very tricky.
On some years around the mid 90's you have to purchase an entire new dash with airbags to have the car approved. This is just the dash. Obviously there is more to modify besides the dash. Of course that is going to cost a small fortune. Each model year has specific requirements for importation. I looked into all of this. It never made any economic sense.
You have to deal with the DOT, and EPA.
Shipping and insurance fees.
Someone told me that the agriculture dept
wanted to make sure you had no soil on the
car in the tires and the wheelwells. I do
NOT know; if that is true ?
You also have some F dealers that will not
work on a euro car. Zero warranty and
difficult to unload when you want something
else.
P-car recent example:
I see the new P-car (02 GT-2's with less than
500 miles) GT-2's for 35-40K less than the same as new American cars. I suppose that worked ok
when buyers were paying 50K over sticker in early
02 for a US GT-2, when it was introduced.
You can now pick up a new 03 GT-2 from a dealer
for 10K "under" sticker. The buyers who
bought there cars in from Europe are stuck in a
buyers market with drivers looking for US versions at good prices.
For the "most part" the only time it makes sense to purchase a euro car; is when it cannot be purchased from a dealer in the USA.
512 BBi
959
Diabolo GT
It is enjoyable to try and find a terrific car for a good price. I originally saw nothing wrong with euro cars as an option. The problems
I see are service and resale. I suppose it "may" work; if you are willing to keep the car for a long time. Good Luck
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wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
Junior Member
Username: Bad_tt
Post Number: 138
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 4:08 pm: | |
Auto Salon sie claims 380 some odd. maybe they are quoting Euro's? |
Ron Vallejo (Ron328)
Member
Username: Ron328
Post Number: 290
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
About 500 examples were built if I am not mistaken. |
Mike B (Srt_mike)
Member
Username: Srt_mike
Post Number: 396
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 1:29 pm: | |
Couldn't a euro 512M be brought over?
It seems part of the rarity of this car is that only 75 were brought to the US from the factory... but it seems many more were produced worldwide.
This seems to be the sort of car that is ripe for being imported... high demand here, lots available overseas, etc, etc. |
Mark (Study)
Member
Username: Study
Post Number: 977
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:37 pm: | |
They have 8 512M's for sale at Auto-salon in Germany(see link in 288GTO thread).
One is a Roadster 512M
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Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Member
Username: Enzomoon
Post Number: 301
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:27 pm: | |
The European version has 440 vs. 432 for the US due to different Cats. I paid $160K for mine 18 months ago. It had only 4,300 miles at the time, mint condition(won Platinum at Cavallino and the FCA Nationals in 1999). It is the finest car I've ever owned. The performance is definitely above the 512TR and I think the HP rating is very conservative. Plus, with the right performance enhancements you can easily see 500hp or more. A 512M runs in the Historic Ferrari Challenge series in the UK and it reportedly has something like 580hp with no cats, reprogrammed ECU and some cam timing adjustments.
The car revs much, much quicker than the 512TR due to less reciprocating mass(titanium conrods, different pistons, lightened crankshaft, etc.)
As far as market value, I would suspect a fairly low mileage car, mint would run about 140-150k right now. However, I really believe this car will appreciate over time due to its relative rarity and visceral appeal.
The yellow car on Sheehan's website was sold I believe and then fairly quickly showed up again on his site, so I don't know what the story is there. If the car is sans any damage/paintwork and has had the major service I would say that would be a very good deal!!
Regards,
Mark |
Jean Dupont (Cavallino)
Junior Member
Username: Cavallino
Post Number: 67
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:01 pm: | |
You're right Steve.
For the 512M info and pics:
http://www.cavallino.cc/index.php?section=stradali/ferraris/modele/f512m#fiche
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Steve M (Steve308gtsi)
Junior Member
Username: Steve308gtsi
Post Number: 162
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:00 am: | |
Henryk,
The 512TR has 428HP and the 512M has 440HP according to the 512M book. |
Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member
Username: Henryk
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:45 am: | |
So the M has the same HP as the 512TR? |
wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
Junior Member
Username: Bad_tt
Post Number: 127
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 9:32 am: | |
Joe..Thanks for the info....
I know about the thread, I'm bidding on the EBAY car and talking to the competition...(the other one) |
Joe (Jts)
Junior Member
Username: Jts
Post Number: 151
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:51 pm: | |
Wayne,
According to www.ferrariturbo.com;
Maximum power @ 6750 rpm 322 kW (432 HP SAE) and
Maximum torque @ 5500 rpm 498 Nm (367 lb. ft)
You should contact Mark Moon (Enzomoon) / see this thread too: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/330248.html?1066361550
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wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
Junior Member
Username: Bad_tt
Post Number: 126
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 7:54 pm: | |
thanks for the info guys. I'm on the verge?
Somehow in my forgetful mind I thought they were 475-480 HP but I see Dennings says 440? |
J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Member
Username: Jeff
Post Number: 298
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 6:02 pm: | |
Algar Ferrari has a 1995 7k miles, black, for $160K. |
Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Member
Username: Trhall
Post Number: 440
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 5:45 pm: | |
http://www.dennigcars.org/ferrari_market_value.htm |
Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
Junior Member
Username: Gary_reed
Post Number: 214
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 5:44 pm: | |
I don't have any sales numbers, but I would "guess" that they are dropping in price. Here's a pretty nice one, if you like yellow, for $129K.
http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/FE-512M-100094/main.shtml
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Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Member
Username: Trhall
Post Number: 439
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 5:38 pm: | |
Just checked SCM not a single one. |
wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
Junior Member
Username: Bad_tt
Post Number: 125
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 5:02 pm: | |
Anyone have any auction or recent sales history?
TIA |