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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1411
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:55 pm:   

Hey this is for the Green Bomber and Nautica man.Upload
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr

Post Number: 3388
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:52 pm:   

PAT

THATS MY GIRLFRIEND YOUR PICKING ON, I LOVE THE NAME ELLEN..PLEASE STAY AWAY..:-(
Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Enzo

Post Number: 1158
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:48 pm:   

maybe if I put BIG SV stickers on my car you would like it better. I just think you are mad now that you know I'm taken and I have squashed your dream. Maybe I will just let your friend Pounch tell it best.....

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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1408
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:38 pm:   

I think a homo would more aptly be caught driving one of these.Upload
Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
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Username: Qferrari

Post Number: 496
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:23 pm:   

Upload That was good, Pat....very good!
Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Enzo

Post Number: 1157
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:20 pm:   

Well now that we have that in the open. I would like you to know that I'm taken and you can stop now that we all now your intentions.

Whew thank god we have cleared up the Ellen saga around here oh and Ellen......


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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1404
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:12 pm:   

Yes Pat, its you i long to impress! lol



Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Enzo

Post Number: 1154
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 2:15 pm:   

Ellen,

You really think people give a damn about what you say or do on here. You are the ultimate tool for thinking that we stay awake at night thinking about what is said here. For you to even think this would lead me to beleive that you in fact do stay awake at night thinking about what you have said or are going to say. I rarely meet or talk to someone I don't get along with or don't like but you my tool friend you are the exception. You just rub people the wrong way with trying to impress everyone. Don't try so hard.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1399
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 2:02 pm:   

Sunny, what email did you send your message to? I havent recieved anything.

Ermin, im glad you dont want a Lamborghini.

Mike, if your ever in Maui, lets have that beer!

Brucey, in my opinion, you are the ultimate tool. A guy who could take something said over the internet so literally that he would spend the time to find someones address and send them mail (which i have not recieved yet btw). I envision you pacing your home, through countless sleepless nights because someone doesnt agree with you, hoping for the day, when you could come face to face, in your Nautica shorts, ready to fight. THAT MAKES ME LAUGH!!!!
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr

Post Number: 3375
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 5:47 am:   

NICE COMMENT MIKE WINSTON, ILL BE PREPARED SO I DONT LOOK LIKE AN A$$, THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP...

AS FAR AS ALLAN GOES, I AGREE WITH EVERY COMMENT ALEX SAYS,EVERY COMMENT....

SO ILL REFRAIN FROM ANY ALLAN LAMBO POST TOO, IF SOME OF YOU GUYS BELIEVE HIM, JOIN HIM.....
Mike B (Srt_mike)
Member
Username: Srt_mike

Post Number: 397
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 4:21 am:   

Allan hit the nail on the head on one front - people take this stuff WAY too seriously. Some like to participate in online communities and get to know people, eventually meet them and hang out. For others it's just a distraction and some maybe even like to "mix it up a little".

I have my own ideas on why Allan posts the stuff he does, but I don't bother posting it because frankly if Allan cared what I thought (some guy he has never met and doesn't know) then I would think he has some issues. He shouldn't care what I think and most of you shouldn't care what he thinks.

He seems like a guy who is into cars and is opinionated about them... hmm... kinda describes a good percentage of this site including myself. If nothing else you gotta respect his not backing down from a fight :-)

If I was going to be in the same area as Allan, I'd want to go grab a beer with the guy - if for no other reason than to check out his cars. How can any true enthusiast not think he owns some cool stuff?

Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jaguarxj6

Post Number: 1036
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:53 am:   

Allan, stay for the weekend, come to Crystal Cove, and/or we'll do a drive. I'd like a chance to meet w/h you. Did you see the msg I sent offline regarding car comparisons?
Ermin Trevisan (Trevi)
Member
Username: Trevi

Post Number: 284
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 3:06 am:   

allan
i do not care what you prefer to drive. i have nothing against lamborghinis, i just don't want to have one. if somebody alleges everybody here would like to have one, i have to say no, not everybody, at least me not.
it's plain simple. you focus yourself on one particular wife, i focus myself on one particular marque, silly?
and please, don't drive too much cadillac just because of my shabby lousy mondial.

trevi, one of the silly ermins.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1394
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 2:27 am:   

Mike, Very Very True!!!lol

Peter, one car i always say, do not mess with regardless of what you are in, is a bad ass Porsche Turbo!
Mike Winston (Mikew)
Junior Member
Username: Mikew

Post Number: 105
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 1:52 am:   

"Classic Pysch job - and some of you good people are falling for it."

"half the time allan doesn't even start the craziness. many of your responses in previous threads are just as bad as his."


It does seem like Allan is trying to play nice all of a sudden, let's hope he can keep it up. If he really wanted to pull a psych job he could ignore harassment and make Bruce look like a real a$$
peter brinzey (Ferraripete)
Junior Member
Username: Ferraripete

Post Number: 130
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 1:31 am:   

allan,

i want to tell you i respect the apology theat you posted here...really was a nice gesture. you also go on to comment on the brand snobbery of this line and i agree w/ you. i had the same discussion today w/ my girlfriend. i may also concied that you and i are also ferrari snobs...we both believe that ferrari has lost what was important...exclusivity and soul. i am just a car guy and love all great cars...and guess what...there are great cars other than ferrari. i get mad also hearing all the hype of the new ferrari models, always thinking to my self that with thousands of them produced annually, they will soon be just a car! i have seen allan get beaten up on this site for his saying about the new ferraris what has been on my mind for some time. i however don't think ferrari has lost ground on the competition...it has lost ground on ferrari! it may best be remedied w/ less production and more exclusivity!
in la jolla today i saw now less than 4 360's. not real exclusive. i did also see a great daytona...now that's a car!!! oh and to the guy in the yellow 360 spyder that i drag raced down the 5 south today...my 87 930 turbo makes a bit over 450 hp. the dealer probably never told you that some old car was going to blow your doors off! at least tell him it was an andial 930...a less bitter pill i hope. i do love the yellow however!!

last, there are alot of folks on this site that own or have owned many exotics and can and should be able to weigh in w/o being nasty or being treated nasty in return...good debate w/ some basis is great for this chat!

no this is last...for ferrari/lambo comparisons in the future, we should consider comparing 360 vs gallardo, 575 vs murci, and the enzo vs mclaren.(the mclaren will remain however the high water mark for performance and exclusivity!!!!).

sorry to ramble but this is a great site and we are very lucky to have so many "car guys/girls" out here to meet and befriend!!!
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1390
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003 - 12:48 am:   

Alex,
You're exactly the person i refer to, the one who cant sleep at nights! I think you may have gotten the wrong impression from my post, as im not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes. I only applogized for my one comment to Adnaan, which was wrong. Every other word that i have written i stand by, including every statement made to you Alex. Relax, take a pill, try and get some sleep.

Ernie,id love to meet up in Cali one day. I will be in Beverly Hills on Dec 16 for a few days, albeit without the Sv! Being here on Maui, i sure miss the street racer hangouts of South Florida! I never did meet to many of them in Scottsdale. I am hoping to move to L.A., Hollywood or Beverly Hills after Maui. I love LA!!!

Then we can also street race the bottle fed Murcielago!

john (Johnwto)
Junior Member
Username: Johnwto

Post Number: 127
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 9:53 pm:   

half the time allan doesn't even start the craziness. many of your responses in previous threads are just as bad as his.

things just seem to get out of control when you say something bad about a ferrari.....ANY ferrari.
Ernie (Ernie)
Member
Username: Ernie

Post Number: 848
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 9:20 pm:   

Hey Allan

I think that it is big of you to appologize. I for one understand were you are coming from. When I read your post they remind me of some of the things I have said. In short, if they are gonna get mad at something so trivial, lets really give them something to cry about. I used to do that quit a bit, and even still do from time to time. It is funny how even though we are adults here, things that got you mad as a kid still get you mad as an adult. Like talking about someone's "Mamma" LOL.

Anyway I think what the rest of the gang is asking for, is for you to lay off a bit, and not pick on Ferrari so much.

How ever, like you, I am of the opinion, as a Ferrari owner, that they are over priced for what you get. As a matter of fact my biggest gripe is how owners in the U.S. get burned for parts and labor. It would be nice to see the street going Ferrari perform like they do on the track. Well at least how they have performed in the resent past. How many years was it since they had won an F1 championship, twenty six? Back in the late 80's and early 90's my brother and I used to get mad that Ferrari would perfrom so poorly during the race. We would shake our heads looking at each other and ask "Why is Ferrari so sorry now?". It's is great to see them rise back to the top, a measure of a true champion. But it would be nice to see the road cars rise to the same level. When was the last time you saw Schumie's engine go kaboom?

Anyway, I think your a pretty cool guy. Matter of fact I was just braggin about your ride , the bottle fed one, last night at the local street racers hang out. It would be nice if you came out to So Cali to spank some butts. There was this guy rolling around in an older worked over Vett that had "PITBULL" in big white letters on the top of the windshield, taunting the Saki burners. Would have been nice to see that pittbull turn into a Poodle and run home with its tail tucked between the legs. So if you ever get the itch to visit So Cali look me up. I would be glad to meet you. Oh yeah and bring the SV.
Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
Junior Member
Username: Alexpapas

Post Number: 94
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 8:03 pm:   

Classic Pysch job - and some of you good people are falling for it.

The creep is a troll, pure and simple. Why would anyone engage him anymore after he was exposed as a serial troublemaker on every forum between here and wherever the hell he calls home.

Remember, the opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. I personally am indifferent to Fiedler, lambo or whatever else he calls himself. I will never waste time posting about him again.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1380
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:25 pm:   

Mark, honestly not trying to gain credibility on any front. Whether you or i agree on any issue, makes no difference to me. I dont believe i have ever called a 512 a pig, but i have called a Testarossa a pig. I had one, when i had it i called it a testicularossa, and continue to do so.
Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Member
Username: Enzomoon

Post Number: 302
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:22 pm:   

Allan:

Please don't buy a 512M. After all, remember that in spite of your protestations to the contrary you once described the 512 as a "PIG" and in another post a "Testicularossa". Of course, these comments were made in the context of one of your myriad posts arguing that Ferraris are overrated, underperforming cars which couldn't hold a candle to your wonderful Lambo. It is heartening to see you apologize to Adnaan but as far as many of us are concerned you have no credibility whatsoever.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1378
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:16 pm:   

Yes you caught me Dl.lol
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1377
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:14 pm:   

And the story goes on. As we continue to go on and get posts as silly Ermins, i could add that i would rather drive my Cadillac than a Mondial.

As for Bruce, well Bruce, yes i do insult you quite often, as you do me, reread some of your posts and maybe theyll remind you. I may have been the first to bring up your wife (not even sure on that) but you brought my family into it.

Kcck, very interesting remarks, as everything you said can be entirely reversed. What about the times here when people compare the much less expensive Murcielago to the extremely expensive Enzo? That is 3 times as rediculous as comparing a 360 to a Murcielago, which i never compare.

As for the times when Ferrari turns out better results than Lamborghini for street cars, well, please show me first when that has happened, and second when i have made excuses. There have been several discussions here about laptimes in street cars, and how Lambos do not perform. When i posted evidence that this was not true, it was refuted by everyone. Main example are the Nurburgring and Hockenheim times.

These forums are about discussions. If i post magazine articles, then of course its magazine racing. People like Williamhxxx claim to run circles around Lambos on tracks, but always fail to mention theyre running slicks, F50 brakes, suspension mods etc, with tons of track experience. Its the same on every board, goto the Viper boards and youll see posts and pics of stock Viper drivers claiming to lay waste to F40's on tracks.

There is already a thread on here about people sarcasticly talking about the Murcielago R-Gt. How its a factory effort and that on there first outing did horribly. I for one dont follow racing too much, but seem to remember that when Prodrive started with the 550s, it wasnt very succesful right off the bat. Also, im sure that Prodrive spends just as much on the 550 team, if not more than Lambo does on its team.
DL (Darth550)
Member
Username: Darth550

Post Number: 508
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:02 pm:   

There is probably a codicil to his trust which states:

"You must play nice with others"

His mother saw F-chat and MADE HIM apologize.

DL
Thomas I (Wax)
Member
Username: Wax

Post Number: 615
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 1:57 pm:   

Today's word

Joe (Jts)
Junior Member
Username: Jts

Post Number: 159
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:37 am:   

Allan - I'm amazed. Somewhere underneath all the bs, there lurks a near normal person. Big of you to apologize.
Amir (Amir)
Member
Username: Amir

Post Number: 286
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:16 am:   

Allan,
Sometimes your posts are funny. But for the most part you are completely lacking in etiquette, as Brian Kennedy put it. You need to learn some manners. That means presenting your views without being confrontational. The apology was a good start.
Amir.
KCCK (Kenneth)
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Username: Kenneth

Post Number: 665
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:03 am:   

Bruce,

From what I read of posts by other chatters about you, I have no doubt that you are a generous and kind-hearted person.

STAY GENEROUS. YOU ARE WELL LIKED. :-)

Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
Junior Member
Username: Adnaan

Post Number: 85
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:28 am:   

Allan

Just logged on and read your post. Thats very big of you to apologise. Apology accepted, but like I said im not hindu or indian for that matter. Im sure some people of that faith did read it and probably did take offence, and im sure your apology will be met well with them too.

I guess sometimes we can all get carried away.

We are all passionate about these cars, as you are with Lambos. But I think in future we should be careful about making a point, but avoiding offence. Sometimes Allan you are a bit OTT. Likewise sometimes you are funny. Some people call for you to be banned. Im not one of those, but I say that you need to just cool it sometimes.

Thanks for the apology though.
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr

Post Number: 3372
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:15 am:   

JONAS- KEN

NO PROBLM MAN, HES ACTUALLY ENTERTAINING TO ME , WHEN HE STARTS THINKING AND USING HIS MOUTH...

I DONT MIND HIM IGNORANTLY BASHING ME, BUT MY WIFE ..THATS WHERE IT STOPS

ON THE "ELLEN LAMBOS FAMILY" THREAD IN OFF-TOPIC, I ONLY DID THAT AFTER HIS MORON COMMENTS ABOUT MY WIFE

KEEP HIM AROUND, HIS IGNORANCE IS ENTERTAINING............

REGARDS ALL,
BRUCE
Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
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Username: Karsten335

Post Number: 612
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:10 am:   

Bruce, we all know what treatment he gave you, and it will not be forgotten.
KCCK (Kenneth)
Member
Username: Kenneth

Post Number: 664
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 9:29 am:   

Bruce,

I understand your feeling. I think you have a cause, too.
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr

Post Number: 3370
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 9:19 am:   

HOLD ON GUYS, I JUST RAN OUT OF KLEENEX, READING ALL OF ELLENS POSTS.....HE IS AN ABRASIVE, ABRUPT, INDIVIDUAL, WHOSE HAS NO RESPECT FOR PEOPLE..

HE HAS BROUGHT UP MY WIFE , MANY TIMES, NOT EVEN KNOWING HER, AND COMPLETELY BASHED HER MANY TIMES...DOES HE HAVE CLASS?? NO, HE IS AN IGNORNAT PUTZ

I BELIEVE NOTHING HE SAYS, AND HE IS YOUR MAIN CATYLST (SP) ON THIS BORAD...

FUC#$$%K HIM AND THE HORSE HE RIDES.....

BRUCE
KCCK (Kenneth)
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Username: Kenneth

Post Number: 663
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 8:39 am:   

Since there are some rational discussions going on here, at least for the time being, I think I would say a few words.

Many people save up for a lifetime to get their Ferraris. Others are not even that lucky, but spend many a nights dreaming to get one. So when Allan comes to this board and trashes Ferraris in a mostly insulting way, what other response can he expect?

Nor do I think Allan is fair in his treatment of Ferraris. He regularly compares a more expensive Lambo with a less expensive Ferrari, or other Ferrari models built for different appeals. Yet when you want to compare the most expensive Lambo with the most expensive Ferrari? - He then complains that the Ferrari is too expensive.

So what about a no-holds-barred, man-to-man, blow-for-blow match under F1 conditions? Sorry, Lambo does not race.

And what about the occasions when Ferrari turns out better figures that Lambo? Well, there is always an excuse for it. Either the Ferrari was modded up, or the Lambo was run down.

That is the sort of unfairness which has been constantly dealt out by Allan against Ferrari that has aroused so much resentment in the minds of many readers, including myself.

I have no personal hard feelings against Allan. But my experience of trying to have a dialogue with him is that he gets personal very quickly. I do not have all that time to trade meaningless abuses over the internet with people, nor do I want to trumpet my personal attainments (or the lack of it) just in order to score a point. So I would just stay away.

Having said that, I can see the constructive message behind Alan's thread here. If he understands our feelings and our point of view, I would say that his presence does make this board more interesting.

And if I may say so, I find Allan to be rather knowledgeable. I only wish that he could be more fair.


Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member
Username: Kennedy

Post Number: 523
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 8:36 am:   

Allan, you are good at refocusing the topic.

The problem with your posts Allan vs. all the other lambo fans on this board (with whom nobody has any issue even if we wholly disagree that Lambo makes good looking cars) is that they don't jump into all the threads where Lambos have no mention and insult Ferraris and/or promote Lambos. You have ruined and derailed sooooo many threads on this forum!!

And this is NOT about brand snobbiness. Its solely about forum etiquette. For example, there's another person who had similar bad forum etiquette... for a while he was constantly jumping into any thread where a 360 was mentioned just to called it a Dino, which consistently resulted in the thread turning into a defense of the 360 and a defense of the Dino as a true Ferrari. He was ruining good threads left and right. Tons of hatred started going his way. However, unlike you, he stopped the behavior for the most part... returning to a productive member of the forum.

Your stubborn refusal to stop being an a$$hole troll is the problem. And the evidence of you running around on all the non-Lambo boards doing the same is proof that you INTEND to troll... you belong on the Lambo board with the other Lambo-lovers. There will be plenty of other marque lovers on the Lambo board with whom you can go to battle... and you'll be loved as a defender of Lambo. Go there... stay there... and troll no more.
Ermin Trevisan (Trevi)
Member
Username: Trevi

Post Number: 283
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 7:44 am:   

warren
in contradiction to what you said, i would never want to have a lamborghini, never. if someone would gift me one, i would exchange it for a ferrari immediately, without even starting the engine.
trevi
Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Member
Username: Karsten335

Post Number: 611
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 7:22 am:   

Allan,

Respect to you for coming around explaining yourself. I think we were quite a bit here who didn't understand the reason why you were here. Just remember one thing, this IS a Ferrari board, not Lamborghini :-)
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1376
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 3:59 am:   

Thomas did your Saab break down or something?

As for putting up, i think i did that when the 355 Spider found its way into my garage.
Thomas I (Wax)
Member
Username: Wax

Post Number: 614
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 3:28 am:   

"I would buy a Ferrari even if Ferraris f1 team was the losingest team in history, those people would not."

Put up or shut up
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1375
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:58 am:   

See Thomas, its guys like you that i get into it with. Ferrari has built up its mystque because of its racing heritage, and now it has diehard fans that buy anything with the Ferrari name on it. Ferrari has rested on its laurels, and other than the Enzo, produces and sells less than adequate cars. I would buy a Ferrari even if Ferraris f1 team was the losingest team in history, those people would not.

Go reread the post you are refering to, everyone voiced their opinion on the car. I voiced mine, its ugly. Someone right away threw Lambo into the mix, and off we went. Even in that thread i praised the 512TR.

So there you have it... Prick.lol
Thomas I (Wax)
Member
Username: Wax

Post Number: 613
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:46 am:   

"i only wish theyd go back to their exotic car roots"

Ferrari is not rooted in exotics. It is rooted in racing. Retail cars help pay for racing. Homologation of particular cars qualifies them for racing and rallies. There are no pretensions. This is the boat you keep missing.

"gone for over a month and you people still had constant Ferrari/Lambo threads"

Healthy discussions, at that. You were notable only in your absence, though not missed, as the discussions did not revolve around your disparaging remarks confirming your constantly professed hatred of every Ferrari model aside from the Enzo,F40,308/328/512. Let those who actually give a damn about what Ferrari produces
have their say. This site's membership can't even enjoy a debate on a model which has just been unveiled. A Ferrari 2+2 is just that - a 4 seater with some muscle under the hood. It's not a goddamn batmobile from hell.

"Just dont expect me not to defend Lambos!"

What is expected is that you won't be thrashing Ferrari at the expense of your quite unnecessary "defense" of your beloved Lamborghini marque. If a subject is about a Lamborghini - fanfuckingtastic - talk about it's merits, but don't tear down Ferrari in the process. Many an Italian marque is discussed here - those who have fond reminisces of their Alfa Romeo's, etc. don't act like you. If a topic is about a Ferrari, leave Lamborghini out of it. We know Lamborghini exists, and we'd like to judge the cars on their merits - not your over-the-top, insulting opinions.

There is no need to remind every member of every forum at every opportunity the difference between a porcupine and a Lamborghini owner with your traits - a porcupine has pricks on the outside. If you need any further explanation - you sit on the inside of a Lamborghini, Prick.
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1374
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:40 am:   

Warren, i put that comment in there strictly for a laugh. Of course i love my Ferrari, washed and waxed it today.

Des, the point is most of the Porsche owner/haters arguements arent between people who own both of them. Think about it, we discuss Fcars and Lambos. Some people here are loyal to only Ferrari, we get into it. One comment after the next, i say something back, then that may upset the guy who isnt completely brand loyal, but the remark is geared directly toward the car he owns.

Another problem i think is that some people take this WAY to seriously. People here can call me names, change my pictures, and i laugh it off, even save some of the pics on my computer and sleep soundly. I really believe some people here cant sleep at nights from whats said here.
DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member
Username: Sickspeed

Post Number: 7341
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:28 am:   

Opinions on ALL SORTS of different things, Ferrari-related or not, clash here, all the time... Why do so many people have a beef with you...? Certainly not because you own a Lamborghini; there are many Bull enthusiasts here... Even the Porsche lover and Porsche haters don't get into it like you do...

i think a big question on a lot of peoples' minds is why you even come here, at all... Most of your threads are regarding recent numbers published in magazines that usually favor just about anything OTHER THAN Ferrari; you always seem to be putting down one Ferrari or another - why...? A disagreement is one thing, but you come here and blatantly bash Ferraris to the point where we all wonder why you own a 355; then, other recent evidence suggests you bash other marques at their respective sites... What gives...?
Warren Balla (West662)
Junior Member
Username: West662

Post Number: 91
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:27 am:   

Allan, I don't think people show dislike to some of your comments just because you defend Lamborghini. This is a chat forum. Your opinions are different from many of the opinions on here, and thats good. If everyone had the same opinion, this forum would really suck. I bet there isn't a single person here who wouldn't want to own a Lamborghini (obviously). Hell, The Lam-Roadster is in my top 3 all time fav cars. Anyways, You have the right to defend Lamborghini, but, it seems that lots of the time your bashing Ferrari in a thread that has nothing to do with Lamborghini. Heres a quote of yours I remember. 'You must remember I own a Ferrari, and when I walk by it, I kick it.' haha, and the reason I remember it is because i laughed my ass off, it was pretty funny. But still, in many stricly Ferrari related posts, it seems you relentlesly and consistently put Ferrari down. You say you Love Ferrari, which, you probably do. But, I just dont see the reasoning behind some of the things u say about the cars, and the people on this board. This whole situation is really so childish, from many people on this board, even me at times I'll admit. This is a forum. Let people have their opinions, let them express them. Express yours, but dont belittle someone because you dont agree with their opinion. Just accept it as a difference.

But, I gotta say it, Allan. You do make this forum very interesting!
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda

Post Number: 2077
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:22 am:   

Ego...
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1373
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:20 am:   

It only seems to be nasty when opinions clash.
DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member
Username: Sickspeed

Post Number: 7339
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:18 am:   

Allan... why are you so nasty to people to begin with...? Your post here is so civil, how come so many of your other posts are so confrontational...? i understand that sometimes you're not always the catalyst but in other cases, you are... What gives...?
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo

Post Number: 1369
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 2:06 am:   

After reading my "dot on the forehead comment" id like to apologize to you, as it did not come off as i intended. It does sound racist, something i surely am not. Please accept my apology.

It does seem that the bickering on Fchat has gotten alittle out of hand as of late. The problem, i believe is this, and it goes for several other chatrooms ive been on, such as the Nsx site.

When you get people who are brand loyal or brand snobby as some people call it you run into these problems. I end up owning and enjoying various different marks, so i post my opinions of them compared to other marks. For example, on the Nsx forum, people would compare the Nsx to Ferrari, and for the most part belittle the Fcars. There was talk of unreliability, performance etc. Same stuff discussed here. It did not go over well with them when i posted that i would rather drive a 308 Ferrari than a Nsx. Sort of the same bickering we do with Ferrari and Lamborghini. Lets face it, on this forum, many of you have posted them same opinions in regards to the Nsx. Only difference is, you dont own an Nsx, while i did at the time. People have a hard time dealing with that, i guess they consider you a traitor or something. So if you owned a Ferrari and Nsx, and posted this opinion, youd be ousted also.

The Viper board is different entirely, because i was interested in purchasing a Viper, but after test driving one, left dissapointed. Certain people of course got angry, then we got into it on the Lambo/Viper front. I continue to post there and speak with several owners privately.

As for Ferrari, many of you think i hate Ferrari, and that is not the case. I love Ferrari, and give credit where credit is due. I have stated over and over my love for the Enzo,F40,308/328/512 etc. It is true, that i am not a fan of later models from Ferrari. I feel that Ferrari has lost ground to too many other car companies, but i only wish theyd go back to their exotic car roots, not cars for the masses. Im not denying that i prefer Lamborghini to most Ferraris. I certainly do, but this wasnt always the case. If Ferrari produced a $300,000 Enzo, with performance on a par with the Murcielago, i would love them both equally. Problem is that even without me, people constantly talk about Ferrari and Lamborghini, and of course, most people being brand loyal denounce the Lamborghini, so i step in. I was gone for over a month and you people still had constant Ferrari/Lambo threads. I just voice my opinion overly, and that makes some of you upset.

Anyways, hopefully this will clear somethings up, and we can all get along better. Just dont expect me not to defend Lambos!!! lol

I must admit, after seeing the pics of the yellow 512M, i have been discussing with my wife the possibility of purchasing one. Thats one car id love to own.

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