| Author | Message | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 408 Registered: 8-2002 |
Waldo, Do you know the history of the car in your picture? There was a picture of a very similar perhaps the same car in an old issue of Prancing horse. It was labeled a race car. The boxed in grill is a real issue. It helped to smooth airflow turbulence from the standard non-functional grill. The oem grill is one of the complaints people had about the 348 as borrowing too much from past years lacking originality from Pinifarina. I think the boxed in grill looks good and has function on a racecar. | ||
| Todd Short (Action_item)
New member Username: Action_item Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2003 |
And if the queen had balls she'd be king. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6471 Registered: 5-2001 |
Todd, this one has tan int, yours has black int. this one is parked close to the curb, yours is parked in the middle of the road. this one is parked along the curb, yours is parked on a curb cut. this one ia parked along a vertical crack in the pavement, yours at checker cracked pavement. Are they the same cars? NO When I take pictures of cars for sale you will ALWAYS get this angle. This is a popular photo angle to show off your car. A PPI will be done. You guys spend too much time in the computer and too little time in the real world. Suspicion is good but one can easily go over the edge. | ||
| vincent decroix (Vince308)
Junior Member Username: Vince308 Post Number: 102 Registered: 5-2003 |
yep, that's the beauty, and i love it (maybe because it's Belgian, sorry.....) greetings, vincent | ||
| Waldo Aikema (Forzarossa)
Junior Member Username: Forzarossa Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2003 |
I thought I did recognised the grill...I did once see it at a race. Here is the pic from Barchetta.cc (tnx for the tip Vince)  | ||
| Craig Williams (Craigw)
Junior Member Username: Craigw Post Number: 221 Registered: 4-2002 |
mine was pretty damn near perfect Dave. Miss it every day. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 756 Registered: 4-2002 |
"perfect 348's are not expensive to find" My view is 'perfect' 348's are nigh on impossible to find, regardless of the 'expense' part. Having spent many hours hunting for one and being constantly dissapointed by the crap being marketed out there. I eventually got one that is 'near' as damn it perfect, but as I say thats near as damn it, not absolutely perfect (in fact I challenge anybody to show me a 348 they think is 'perfect' in every respect). | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 771 Registered: 11-2001 |
Anyone seen this car in person? I like the way it was done cosmetically, how much is this car selling for? for the right price as long there is no bad damages and the car runs good there is always a buyer. | ||
| vincent decroix (Vince308)
Junior Member Username: Vince308 Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2003 |
there was a Ferrari 348 with this bumper !!!!! The 348 TB/F ch n� 82881 from ecurie Francorchamps had a self build bumper without the middle grill. look at barchetta.cc and search under chassis n� 82881 greetings, vincent | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 990 Registered: 10-2002 |
The car looks crap.... | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 652 Registered: 7-2003 |
I agree 100% - what cracks me up is how this guy even swabbed some areas of the background the car was pasted onto - some, but not all. I just downloaded Irfanview, as I needed another graphics program. One of the great things about Irfanview is it tells you how many bits/colors any given pic has. The original pic is 24-bit - ie 16.7 million color palette available - which does not resemble 8-bit ie 256 color photos - at all. Even reducing to 16 colors doesn't cause the rest of the shrubbery to turn into pockets of blur. BTW, the actual color count on the original pic posted is 64219. OK, Great, so the body mod itself isn't a bad idea at all. OK, wonderful - the guy did a crappy job of revamping selected areas of a 32-bit photo of a car he's trying to sell. Question is; Why make the paint look like crap if you're trying to sell it? With body mods like that - I'd be showing off, rather than hiding. All I can see is red flags on a pic that looks miiiiiiiiiighty similar sans background to what Todd Short has mentioned, repeatedly, with extreme prejudice, and with good reason. To see for yourself how bad the job is, save the pic as a bitmap - .bmp Check out your .bmp in MS Paint at 10x magnification - forget the hood - just look up, down and sideways at the area around the rear bumper. You'll see acres of Copy/Paste brought to you by Captain Obvious - which acted as a starting point for the artisan. Why? Is he a better con artiste than artiste? | ||
| Todd Short (Action_item)
New member Username: Action_item Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2003 |
So back to my picture...still think it's a different car? How many people would put the wheels on backwards? And this is the same street...puhleeeze! Photoshop Photoshop Photoshop. | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 770 Registered: 11-2001 |
For aerodynamics maybe the wheels are better off this way and the front bumper looks more proper than the original since there is more function this way. Actually I'm starting to like it better this way, the only thing I would do is add ducts for brake venting and reduce the size of the large weak driving-parking lights in the front and put something half the size, I did that to mine when I had it and it looks so much better. I actually like how this car turned out with the top painted along with the bottom rockers as well. Believe it or not I'm actually accepting it as the cleanest looking 348 outside job, the way Ferrari should've made it in the first place. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 397 Registered: 8-2002 |
The wheels are on backwards | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Intermediate Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 1095 Registered: 4-2003 |
Be careful. Vincent | ||
| David Karaduman (Ferrariking)
New member Username: Ferrariking Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2003 |
Have they sent you pics of the interior and engine.. it looks like a kit car to me posibly | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 649 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hmmmmmmm  | ||
| mike550 (Mikeg)
Junior Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 175 Registered: 8-2003 |
Hold on! I ran across this photo on the internet and it appears to be the very same car but in the photo the sun is glancing off the windshield and if you look very close you can make out the passenger! I am not sure but it looks like it could be our resident lambo owning chat board troll. Very interesting.  | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 462 Registered: 1-2002 |
Martin I know you have a lot of contacts with these brokers but if he hasnt see the car in person I just wouldnt believe the front end story. If anyone wants I can easily photoshop my car to look the same, hell I can make it look even better. Smudging is easy. I just cannot see why if there was a front end accident where the person needed to replace the front end they would have not gotten an OEM one for $1500, just doesnt make sense. I am just doubtful about the car. Shan have you seen it in person and driven it? What price is this 348 going for? | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 647 Registered: 7-2003 |
Has the broker seen the car in person? Photoshop or any Image program is widely available (ArcSoft 2000 came with my OS), and this is no color reduction. I could do better with Microsoft's free Paint program, while inebriated, and untrained. If the car is indeed, just grille and shield-free - why such a "bad" pic of certain components in, on and around the areas in question - but not others? Funny how the door, rear quarter panel, top have some semblance of reality, but the rest of the car is a giant smudge. Even the shadow smells. Something is rotten in Denmark. | ||
| ShanB (Shanb)
Junior Member Username: Shanb Post Number: 74 Registered: 7-2003 |
Thanks Martin. One PPI coming up... | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6445 Registered: 5-2001 |
Guys those pictures do not need to be questioned. They are right and of the actual car that was offered to Shan. The car is being offered through a broker with a very good reputation. No worries here. Shan, do the PPI and if that checks take the car. You are getting a good price and will love the car. Word is, this car is in great condition and the front nose has been glassed in which means you can easily remedy that at any point. It is starting to grow on me though. | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 639 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well, if the question is about the bumper, then I have never seen a picture of any 348, even the prototypes, that had a bumper that looked like this. I can't believe that the owner just decided to modify the front of the car for no reason, so it seems pretty likely that the skin was damaged and it was easier to repair it this way. I would take a very careful look at the surrounding areas to check for damage/overspray/evidence of other shortcuts. Make sure the headlights open and close properly. Make sure the air conditioning components in the right front fender area are intact. Check the wiring bundle that runs directly under the nose. Check that the lights are intact and haven't been glued together. Lastly, I'd check the entire underside of the car for evidence of bottoming. There have been cases of the front bumper being torn apart due to the height of the lower lip, there MAY be other damage underneath. Good luck, don't rush into anything! | ||
| Bob (Dr_bob)
Junior Member Username: Dr_bob Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think the phot is converted to 16 colors or whatever it is called, the second photo looks blurry too. Just my opinion | ||
| ShanB (Shanb)
Junior Member Username: Shanb Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2003 |
John & Modman - the seller suppiled the photo as one of a series. I agree with you all that the hood looks odd but it showed the bumper best which was what I was asking about. I received other photos with better detail. Jeff - the rocker panels and top were painted, and good pick up on the wheels. Looking at the other photos I recieved they all appear to have been mounted on the wrong side! Yikes! I think this picture is a better photo of the car, but with not as good a view of the bumper. Thanks guys, and appreciate all your comments and advice.  | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 637 Registered: 12-2002 |
I can see why they might want to brush out the license plate number, but why do an art project with the entire picture? It looks silly. Did the broker supply only one image? A 1990ts should have the targa top, rocker panels, and the lower section of the front bumper painted black, not body color (although many of them, including mine, have been modified). And the RF wheel is on the wrong side of the car. | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 762 Registered: 11-2001 |
The rub marks on the hood, the interior blurry to see, the ft fender missing a line at the headlight and the bumper looks too fuzzy. The side of the car shows better detail even when further away but the front of the car looks photoshopped. I can't say for sure but I'd definately question it. | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 461 Registered: 1-2002 |
Shan did you take that photo yourself or did the broker send it to you? To me (I use photoshop to do web dev a lot) this picture is a photoshop fake. All areas where there are indentifing marks appear brushed out. You can tell it is fake also by looking at the driver side fog light, last time I checked my 348 it sure as hell didnt have red bumper protruding over it. Tell the guy to f*ck off and look for a better car. Perfect 348s are not expensive to find. | ||
| ShanB (Shanb)
Junior Member Username: Shanb Post Number: 69 Registered: 7-2003 |
Umm.... no. :-) | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Member Username: Kenny Post Number: 567 Registered: 9-2001 |
Good god,, that isn't a 1990 348ts with tan interior by any chance is it?? A friend from college years ago owned a car with that same grill for 6 months and sold it because it never ran right... | ||
| Todd Short (Action_item)
New member Username: Action_item Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2003 |
OK, whatever you say fellas...i guess it would be impossible to wipe out the front grille AND scuderia shields! Look at the window in the original pic, its practically animated like a cartoon rather than a photo. Also, there are friggin brush marks across the hood. If I'm not mistaken, the actual car is a 1992 TS that is/was for sale by a company called Woodbridge Classic Cars in the UK. I'm done here...keep fronting if you must. | ||
| ShanB (Shanb)
Junior Member Username: Shanb Post Number: 68 Registered: 7-2003 |
Martin - thanks Todd - good catch. Although it's the same angle it's not the same car. thanks | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1442 Registered: 10-2002 |
todd, That's a good catch, but those look like 2 different cars to me... the car in your picture is placed in a different location than this one. Plus, it looks like the one you found has scudi shields, and the one shan is looking at doesn't. | ||
| Todd Short (Action_item)
New member Username: Action_item Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2003 |
This is unequivocally a doctored photo. I did a two second search on google images and here is the actual photo...  | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6439 Registered: 5-2001 |
Shan, talk to your broker that is handling the deal for you. He can try to get the seller to reduce the price. The answer to your question is: No there was NEVER any 348 built this way. The grill on the 348 is a deco item but was always on ALL 348 thatc ame from the factory. There are some fixes to this car. The grill area has probably been fiberglassed in and you can cut it back out, install the grill and have the 348 back to its old looks or buy an entire 348 bumper and put it on keep this one as a spare. The other thing is, get used to it. It does not look that bad. I saw a different angle and did not like it but from this perspective it looks okay. See what Chuck can do for you on the price. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1440 Registered: 10-2002 |
Shan, The car never came this way. It is either a photoshop job or a rebuild of the front bumper. The bumper is made of fiberglass and can be rebuilt - probably got in a front end fender bender and the owner didn't want to buy a new grill so had the front bumper built as one piece. Looks kinda funny, if you ask me. IMO, it takes away from the lines of the car. | ||
| ShanB (Shanb)
Junior Member Username: Shanb Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rico - It's not a photoshop trick. It is a 90 ts I'm considering purchasing. The car looks clean, but I had not seen a bumper like that before. | ||
| Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
Junior Member Username: Riconijhof Post Number: 105 Registered: 8-2003 |
Photoshop? Look at the rear wheels, it looks pretty chopped... | ||
| ShanB (Shanb)
Junior Member Username: Shanb Post Number: 66 Registered: 7-2003 |
Take a look at the attached photo - the bumper has no grill cutout. Was the 348 ever available this way (i.e. Euro, competition cars), or is this a "fix" for something? I've never seen this before. Any 348 body experts our there?  |