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Amir (Amir)
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Username: Amir
Post Number: 316
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 11:06 am: | |
Like anything else, a cell phone can be a distraction. A distracted driver is more likely to be involved in an accident.
You can say cell phones are not the problem. Or DVD players. But they all compete for the driver's attention. Chicken and egg. |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Intermediate Member
Username: Artherd
Post Number: 1162
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 11:01 am: | |
I was unaware a cell phone could drive a car.
I thought it was idoits who can't drive who cause accidents.
>Some large insurance institute in the US did a comprehensive accident survey a
>while back and it found out that the cellphone was the 11th cause of car accidents. |
luciano favero (Ontogenetic1007)
Junior Member
Username: Ontogenetic1007
Post Number: 65
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 1:44 am: | |
>I will not allow that to happen to me.
>Espeacialy by a good for nothing low life piece of ����, poor excuse for a human being,
>lieing, cheating piss on his own mother, ego tripping,power drunk uneducated,
>bafoon with a little gold badge.
Approx accurate
however
>������� AAA!!! Tom. 100% with you.
1st step towards "ego tripping,power drunk uneducated, bafoon with a little gold badge"
is the "mob mentality" of model citizens handing other model citizens "the badge"
to protect and serve the mob.
Useless blaming the "cops". The problem is 100% closer.
and the most 'humorous' part is that the
"a good for nothing low life piece of ����, poor excuse for a human being, lieing, cheating piss on his own mother, ego tripping,power drunk uneducated, bafoon with a little gold badge." are also part of the community.
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luciano favero (Ontogenetic1007)
Junior Member
Username: Ontogenetic1007
Post Number: 64
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 1:30 am: | |
>Some large insurance institute in the US did a comprehensive accident survey a
>while back and it found out that the cellphone was the 11th cause of car accidents.
And police officers are the 12th ...
checking the rear view mirrors can be more distracting than a cell phone
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DL (Darth550)
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Username: Darth550
Post Number: 531
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 12:34 am: | |
If had come across this thread earlier, I would have suggested to Amir that he arbitrarily oppose the opinion of the Donut muncher, regardless of it's validity, and proceed to berate him/her for spelling and punctuation errors on the ticket!
DL |
john (Johnwto)
Junior Member
Username: Johnwto
Post Number: 140
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 12:27 am: | |
tom, it's no use to trying to explain something that will never understand. |
chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member
Username: Chaa
Post Number: 127
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 5:00 pm: | |
••••••• AAA!!! Tom. 100% with you. All said and done you should all expereance being a black dude in an exotic, no amount of respect or co-operation towards the police helps,especialy in the UK.The police have preconcived notions about me so why should i kiss there arse. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
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Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 745
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 2:37 pm: | |
John...You just proved my point. If you were a cop at somtime in your life,then obviously you were not there to just serve and protect. You were on a power trip. "I would write as many tickets as I could." Why would you do such a thing John? if all I was doing was speeding. Are you not exercising your power tripping skills to the max , just because I was protecting myself, from somebody I don't know?
The excate thing you coppers do when you pull sombody over correct? you have your hand on your gun correct? Well I don't lower my window down incase your a bad cop correct? I don't trust cops as far as I could throw them. I won't even allow a police officer,a fireman or anybody in a position of authority into my house. Even if I call them. How do I know that they don't work for a crime sinadcate and are caseing my home for an orginaized break-in, in which they get a share of the goods? Don't think I'm being paranoid because it does and has happend. You have to look at things from the other side of the fence aswell John. Just because you have a badge,does not make you anymore trust worthy. In it fact makes you less trust worthy then the average joe. Why? because if you do somthing towards me that is unjustified, then you can and will get away with it, as you have proven in your post. I will not allow that to happen to me. Espeacialy by a good for nothing low life piece of ••••, poor excuse for a human being, lieing, cheating piss on his own mother, ego tripping,power drunk uneducated, bafoon with a little gold badge.
If sombody is making you life difficult by following the rules...Then it is your job to suck it up and do you duty by the book. Not by doing vengful things just to make yourself feel better, because "I've got the power"
again....This is not directed at all cops. There are many outstanding cops that do there jobs correctly and without the power trip. But as a have said,they seem to be few and far between. John...if you were or are a cop I have no respect for you in your job. You may very well be a good person outside of the badge but once you put it on, you just proved yourself as one of the bad ones...Please tell me I'm wrong. |
Jerry W. (Tork1966)
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Username: Tork1966
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 2:09 pm: | |
Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about lesbians....but then I remembered that the "proper" slang term for them is "carpet munchers". |
L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member
Username: Testaroja
Post Number: 219
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 1:38 pm: | |
My attorney says that the only thing keeping me away from having a solid case is a guy that I know he saw everything because we talked about it but he doesn't want to talk, he is affraid of this woman getting back at him!. |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
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Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 729
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 10:38 am: | |
Some years ago, a car hit and killed a pedestrian, ran the scene. The police found a little scrape of the paint from the car, analyzed it to find that it came from a very rare metallic black paint that was used only by BMW, and on their 540i. They ran the DMV record on every single 540i in the area, found only several to fit the black metallic paint, visited every one of them and found the car with the damages still in the garage. The guy fessed up, and now is in jail.
To have what happen to you totally ignored by the LE people (with a broken mirror, description of the car, and the driver given) is absolutely inexcusable. There must be better money in giving out speeding tickets, or rolling stop signs. |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
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Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 1020
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 2:32 am: | |
L, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I understand. It just came across sounding a little funny--I am sure you did not mean anything by it.
I am sorry about your accident. Maybe an attorney can help you? You really should contact one before too much time passes, IMO. |
L. (Testaroja)
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Username: Testaroja
Post Number: 218
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 2:06 am: | |
Faisal I didn't mean it as an insult, its that we say it that way and I understand that in english it may sound wierd or maybe I did sound that way cause of that particular thing, I don't hate the guy, I dont like him, but do not wish him anything negative. I like the native americans and they were here way before. I really wished that the europeans never did come to america and that the africans were never enslaved, every race and country maybe would be doing a lot better if it wasn't for the past. I apologize if I have insulted anyone. |
L. (Testaroja)
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Username: Testaroja
Post Number: 217
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 1:59 am: | |
Maybe I may confuse some at the end of what I said " you can tell the real latin or spanish people from latin america, puereto rico or cuba from..." What i mean is that the spanish people in latin america, cuba or puerto rico you can easily tell them apart from the indians or ones that are mixed with indian or black because they will look european, in spanish speaking countries also the population has many italians, french, portuguese, german and all of this people stand together as "one". Even blacks or native americans say they are latin or hispanic because they feel so as a cultural thing but not in racial way as they know that they aren't. But here in the states cops and some other people have to understand that hispanic means a person who is from spain or their descendants and that latin is for italians, spanish, french, portuguese. "Latino" is the spanish and italian word for a male latin person,"latina" is for a female. "latinos" is in plural many latin males or for all male and female when two together or more. So "COPS" and cops get it right the low rider ricer you are about to pull over just because you don't like him or her most likely if it speaks spanish or they believe so probably will be a native american that just happens to speak a foreign language.
Bravo Michael por el 6to campeonato mundial, fuerza ferrari. |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 1132
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:59 am: | |
L., that is a crappy thing to have happen to you. Sorry to hear it. |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 1019
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:44 am: | |
L Testaroja, I sympathize with everything you say, except where you use the word indian as an insult. The correct term is Native American, capitalized, and I am sure the trooper's ethnicity has nothing to do with his behavior.
Did you talk to an attorney about this? |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1466
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:41 am: | |
Thanks Faisel, you ignorant baffoon. |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 1018
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:35 am: | |
Pretty rich, coming from you, Ellen. |
L. (Testaroja)
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Username: Testaroja
Post Number: 216
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:35 am: | |
Some years ago I was driving a nsx and there was a red light and I was in the right lane making a right turn, about 6 cars that were in front of me all of them did slow down almost to a dead stop but didn't make a complete stop so when it was my turn I did almost a complete stop and there wasn't a car in sight only a state trooper just looking at the cars go by but to my luck he decides to come after me and pulls me over, he says you didn't make a complete stop in the red light before turning and I said so did every one else, and then I asked "Why are you giving me a ticket?" and he said " because you are the one driving the expensive sport car and thats it"
Not long after I was a pedestrian standing at a round fountain and I was beyond the curb in the grass, a woman driving her car drove over the curb and strikes me with her drivers side fender and I rolled all about the car all the way to the trunk, my left elbow broke her windshield I dented her front fender and and broke off the mirror, I was sent flying in the air and landed on my back. She then stops gets out of the car and I tried to get up when I see her picking the mirror off from the ground and some other debris and the she climbs back in the car and leaves me there after I told her to help me find my cell phone. Next thing I had to find the phone myself, it was broken but it did manage to work so I called 911 and the ambulance got there as I was passing out. A state trooper comes into the hospital and I told him the color, make and model of the car and some letters of the tag. Also the description of the woman plus I told him that I knew that she lived close to me. Next day in the afternoon I saw her walking and I went to ask her why did she do it, then she told me "it wasn't me I was in the hospital for alcohol poisoning look I still have my arms with cotton and tape where I had the i.v.'s". So I go and called the trooper and told him that she was here and that she was drunk and that the car was in front of me and to come over that there must be some skin or blood to prove it was her. He said there is no way you can really prove it was her, maybe you don't like her, you could blame anyone you don't like" and I told him no because the car fits my descrption and she to, anyways he told me" well if it was her then let God take care of her, it will catch up with her some day". I went and got the police report and to my surprise he didn't right anything of what I told him about her or the car, there was not description of anything, it said "there was no description of the vehicle since no one saw it and theres no way to localize it". He even said that he arrived at the scene of the accident 10 minutes after it happened and there was where he talked to me and wrote the police report. Thats a big lie because he talked to me 1 1/2 hour after the accident at the hospital. I had to pay the medical bills and still have to visit the chiropractor at my own expense and suffer back pains. Now when I drive my ferrari at least I get to parked it in the blue zones. The trooper was mexican, I am of cuban parents but we are full blooded spaniards, when this mexican MOFO trooper who is really an indian that speak spanish thanks to Spain still calls himself latin or spanish or as they like to say "latino" when they dont have a hair of latin in them, you can tell the real latin or spanish people from latin america or puerto rico or cuba as they don't look indian, the blacks or mulato aren't as racist toward the spanish descendant people as the indians, they hate to be called indians, but that is what you are you low life trooper.
NO I don't like state troopers we don't need them but the state makes a lot of money giving tickets. Real police do real jobs, troopers don't deserve to be call troopers, thats to much of a word for them. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1464
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:27 am: | |
Ive found that if you make a joke or admit to whatever it was you were doing immediately, it usually breaks the ice.
Last time i got pulled over, i was in my Countach, my buddy was in his Diablo on i-95 in South Florida. We would slow traffic down slightly, then take off racing, immediately slowing down when approaching traffic. I got pulled over after one of these runs. The officer, came out, and his first words were, "im not going to give you a ticket, just tell me how fast you were going" I told him " over 100mph", he said try " over 140". We chatted awhile, and he told me he didnt mind us doing what we had to, but not to slow traffic down to do it, as that was dangerous.
Ive found that most officers are car-guys, and if your cool with them they treat you well. I have seen others though, who would fall into some of the other catagories listed here.
Funny watching some of the responses here, and then associating them with some of the threads ive been involved in. Some people have no people skills.
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john (Johnwto)
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Username: Johnwto
Post Number: 138
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 11:00 pm: | |
some of you guys are serious dicks and deserve what you get. tom if you wouldn't roll your window down for me i'd be sure to to write as many tickets as possible. i would be fining you for everything i could.
mitchell- with your attitude you should stay clear of cops. i get the feeling you will be introduced to the 'phonebook' one day.
amir- errrr.......there's no point even commenting on your post. you're in another world altogether
anyway, let's just get back to ferrari stuff. this thread is far too serious. |
Rosso (Redhead)
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Username: Redhead
Post Number: 567
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 10:19 pm: | |
Amir--
I just erased everyhting I was going to say.
Except for this.
Way to show respect to someone who has lost friends. You really showed your true colors on that one.
I am goign to end my post on that. Even though I can counter all your weak ass points Have fun in court! 
p.s.--Underwear is not in a bunch. |
Amir (Amir)
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Post Number: 315
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 8:32 pm: | |
You must be a callous idiot to think "oh, a 4'9" woman was walking towards a cop so he is perfectly justified in shooting her dead." I am sure if it was your sister or mother or daughter, you would feel differently. He asked her to stop and she didn't so he can kill her? Did she speak the language? Was she traumatized and incoherent and not capable of obeying orders? Was she coming towards him because he represented safety and authority? Did she misunderstand him? Oh no, since she's dead and can't speak in her defence, Mr. Rosso jumps to the friendly cops' aid with his amazing powers of deduction. So what even if she did have a weapon. The cop had a weapon too. Did he really have to be so "scared for his life" that he had to snuff out hers? I am sure his prime defence will be that he was "fearing for his life" while crouched behind his cruiser's door. Yeah, right.
A cop in a helicopter crashes and he dies. How are we to blame for that? Why should we be any more sorry for him than for the average electrician getting electrocuted, the engineer getting irradiated and dying of cancer, or any other workplace-related death? Why do you think cops deserve special treatment? Because their jobs are dangerous? Please! A lot of jobs are dangerous. Noone twists a cop's arm to make him join. And they get paid very well. They even get paid overtime to lie in court.
The traffic stops in this discussion are in no way comparable to the felonious behavior of shooting a cop...why do you even bring that up? What's that got to do with this? Cops get shot by criminals so we should all meekly accept our traffic tickets and not fight them? I don't get it. Is this really what you think?
Assuming responsibility for your actions does not mean paying a ticket without questioning the fact that 10,000 other people have speeded and not been ticketed in the same spot. You think it's ok to be the unlucky one who gets caught. Others don't. Yes, cops are human. But they should do their jobs professionally, consistently, and fairly. This means not killing people over minor misunderstandings. This means not being a jerk. Not abusing the authority given to them. Not abusing the law they pretend to uphold. Having compassion. Good judgment. Politeness would be nice too.
Either you enjoy playing devil's advocate, or there's something wrong with your attitude. Change that underwear.
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Rosso (Redhead)
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Username: Redhead
Post Number: 565
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 8:20 pm: | |
But Amir, NOT ALL COPS ARE UNFAIR. This is the point I have been trying to get across.
Have cops treated me unfairly, yes. Do I hold grudges against every single officer in the land? No, why should I?
What is it going to prove??
But, do I take proper action when treated unfairly in anything in life? Yes. |
Amir (Amir)
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Post Number: 314
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 8:12 pm: | |
You are in the wrong because you seem to think it's your job to be cops' torch-bearer. Not everyone wants to take abuse lying down, or be the victim of selective, unfair law-enforcement.
To paraphrase Danny DeVito from The Heist, "That's why they call cops cops."
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Rosso (Redhead)
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Username: Redhead
Post Number: 564
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 8:05 pm: | |
But Amir, I go comando.
Funny how I state simple facts that you dont agree with, and suddenly I am in the wrong...damn underwear. |
Amir (Amir)
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Post Number: 313
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 7:34 pm: | |
Rosso, you need to reach down and unbunch your underwear... |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
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Post Number: 744
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 7:29 pm: | |
I'll tell ya this. That was an experiment on my part to see if my prediction of how the cop would react was correct. It was. I was following instructions by the Police department,on how I should behave in an uncomforatable situation. The officer did not like this,and I knew he wouldn't. I wanted to see what his recation was to his own employers instructions. he should have respected my desicion and continued with his duty. I was by no means disputing the ticket.
This just solidified my suspition of most police officers that I have run into. They do not like it when sombody follows the rules. It makes thier job much more difficult. Instead of talking and such, I just delt with the buisness at hand. This made him angry.
There are officers that do their job very well. But it seems the majority are in it for the power. Ask anybody who wants to be a cop thier reasons. I'll bet they won't say "to serve and protect". |
Rosso (Redhead)
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Post Number: 563
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| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 7:13 pm: | |
Tom-
I respect your post. Look at it from the other side though. He won. You lost.
Now, imagine if you practiced common curiosity, would you gotten away with a warning? Who knows? Instead, you asked for the ticket.
Once again, who is on the power trip?
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chaz richards (Chaa)
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Username: Chaa
Post Number: 126
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 6:54 pm: | |
OOHH! Tom you are a cool MO FO nice one dude,say it as you find it.Like your style. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
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Post Number: 743
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 6:47 pm: | |
No matter how you look at it cops in general are on power trips. Espeacialy the rookies. They seem to want to make your day go completely wrong. I have only once encountered a pleasent cop. All the rest are extremly rude,overly aggresive,and just plain igroant.
I had an officer pull me over. Up here they say to never role your window down enough for sombody to get their hand through, including the police. I did just that to one officer. He did no like this at all. He asked if there was a reason why is was not rolling down my window. I said yes,he said why...I replyed becuase you told me not to. But I'm a police officer he says, I don't care who you are I don't know what your capable of,just like they tell you in cop school right? never trust anybody? I reply. He had nothing to say. He was so pissed off at me he trough his hat into the car and procceded to "call me in". So I sat there until he was done his rant on the radio. He came back to the car (very angry) and handed me the ticket. I said have a pleasent evening officer,and drove off.
Cops somtimes are not who they seem, some of them have aggendas, some work for the mob and other sell and distribute drugs. They drink and drive(I'm a wittness to this) they speed with abandon, and they protect thier own even if they know they are in the wrong. This type of thing goes on daily. They are indeed above the law and they damn well konw it. FUCKERS |
Chris D (Prohydro)
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Post Number: 102
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| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 6:39 pm: | |
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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1460
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 6:28 pm: | |
I have never gotten a ticket in a Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini. Ive been pulled over racing etc, never a ticket. Cops always nice, look at car, tell me they dont blame me for speeding etc.
Even though i havent any tickets in years, id get tickets when id be trying to obey the limit, driving a rental or a Cadillac, doing 6mph over the limit. |
Rosso (Redhead)
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Post Number: 560
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| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 6:17 pm: | |
Mitchel.
Facts dude-The girl in the San Jose approached officers after many repated attemts to have her put down what apperared to be a weapon. This is factual. It was not a weapon.
BTW-Did you hear about 1.5 years ago, a rookie cop in SJ that was gunned down at point blank range by someone driving a stolen car. Never even put on his lights. Just started to follow him, and then the guy started to run from him.
His name was Jeffery Fontana. And he was a good friend of mine.
Did you hear about when San Jose's heli went down in 2000 I belive? That was Desmond Casey. Another good friend, and Mark Spencers (Veloce Speedesign) old roomate. I worked with Desomnd doing a DUI check point about 2 months before. Guy served our country flying for the Air National guard, and served my city flying copters.
Why bash cops. They are humans. They live, they die. One leg at a time every morning.
Are they better then you or me? No. Do they have do make split descions that can tear apart a city daily? Yes. Wear that on your shoulders day in and day out.
By the way. People less then perfect. How about those Enrons CEO's? World Com?
NEED I GO ON |
chaz richards (Chaa)
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Username: Chaa
Post Number: 125
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 6:03 pm: | |
,Right on Mitcheel,You know i was going to respond to this thread earlyier but i was afraid my views on coppers my not be appreciated. I am a black guy in the Uk and it is commonly known the Police here is indeed institutionally racist,and was struck a big blow this week by an undercover journalist in a tv documentary.This is relenent to this thread becourse getting stoped for no good reason in the ferraris is common for me,and my attitude towards them is generally hostile.And i know there will be those of you who will think the police have a job to do i know that and as an ex soldier i know about discipline and respect ect, but here is something you may find funny,a very close frend of mine who is also in the close protection feild was stoped for speeding four weeks ago,and after his boss made a few calls the officer was located and spoken to and had a drink with, and was givern what we call in the uk a drink (���),what do you think happend to the paper work? our finist. |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
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Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 727
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 5:53 pm: | |
Who do you call when some punks are breaking down your door in a home invasion?
I call on Smith and Wesson, Baretta, Colt, Browning, Sig Sauer, and Walther PPK.
Then I call the cops to drag the bodies out. |
Lou B (Toby91)
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Username: Toby91
Post Number: 360
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 5:50 pm: | |
We all like to beat tickets and some cops are A- holes but lighten up. Who do you call when some punks are breaking down your door in a home invasion? Remember, cops , firemen and solders are the ONLY people on the public payroll willing to die for you for a modest salary. Call you congressman the next time your wife gets raped. No, I am not a cop. |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
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Post Number: 726
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 5:29 pm: | |
Quote:
"You know what though, cops are just people too"
End of quote.
Except that they have guns, badges, and are generally above the law:
case 1: In SF, right now, 3 off-duty cops are being tried for beating up 2 guys at night over a fajita and a Yankee baseball cap.
case 2: In San Jose, last week, a big well armed cop shot dead a 24 year old un-armed 4 feet 9 inch asian woman. On what justification?
case 3: on Fchat, someone reported last month that he was stopped and his car searched on the "pretense" that he was swerving in his lane.
case 4: LAPD, no need to say more.
case 5: Oakland PD cops were convicted of framing convicts, beating up arrestees, planting evidence, stealing and selling narcotics.
Should I go on? |
Alan Leach (Speedy308)
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Post Number: 303
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| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 4:01 pm: | |
You know what though, cops are just people too.
I have the highest regard for 'em. They have a pretty risky job. Give 'em a polite response and see if they won't just go away!
Of course, my attorney said "Just try not to break more than one law at at time, Alan!" |
Alan Leach (Speedy308)
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 3:58 pm: | |
Just went to court this AM.
State of Texas 0
Speedy308 1
Case dismissed.
It took 'em longer to disarm all the plaintiffs than it did for me to resolve my case with the DA! LOL |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
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Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 725
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 3:28 pm: | |
How do you explain this?
West bound traffice on I-92 before the toll bridge, 2 lanes regular traffic, 1 car pool lane.
Highway Patrol in lane number 2 driving 10 miles SLOWER than prevalent traffic pattern, slowing everyone in his lane down, hoping that some one way in the back decides to cheat and takes the carpool lane to pass him. After 60 seconds of this, seeing no taker, the cop speeds up to catch the poor soul who changes lane from the regular lane into the carpool lane 20 feet before the carpool lane comes to an end.
What is that? Professionalism? The first case is called entrapment because he slowed traffic down for no reasons other than to entice someone to break the law. The second case is pure harassment because he can.
Gets no respect from me. None, zilch. I am very polite to cops and cooperate fully, but I do not say one word to them when I am stopped. I just fight them all in court. |
Kds (Kds)
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Username: Kds
Post Number: 370
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 2:36 pm: | |
FWIW...
Some large insurance institute in the US did a comprehensive accident survey a while back and it found out that the cellphone was the 11th cause of car accidents.
It was quoted in Car and Driver magazine and I will try to locate it for you guys. Cellphones are a symbol that you can see and attack....stupidity is not....which is why they get a bad rap which is unjustified IMHO. |
Rosso (Redhead)
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Username: Redhead
Post Number: 558
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 2:27 pm: | |
Why is everyone jumping on Mark? Did he say he supports it or not? No, once it gets passed, it will be a law is all that is stated.
Do I agree with it, again, NO.
But talk about shooting the messanger.
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Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
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Username: Enzo
Post Number: 1208
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 2:16 pm: | |
"Mark- I can chat on my cell phone, and retain FULL command of my vehicle at all times. Just like you can talk on your radio to dispatch while pulling a high-speed U-turn. " ---I would beg to differ that you would be able to handle it as well as a trained officer. Any idea how much time they spend behind the wheel in trainging or just doing their jobs 8 hrs a day?
"You do not have the right to tell me what to do inside my car. "-------No but he would have the right to bring you to jail for doing things inside your car the choice is yours.
"A cell phone does not grab your wheel for you. Nor does a radio cut your brake lines. Fess up. " -----No but it will distract your attention and even for a split second is all it would take to run over a child trying to get their ball out of the street. |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
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Username: Artherd
Post Number: 1144
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 1:56 pm: | |
Mark- I can chat on my cell phone, and retain FULL command of my vehicle at all times. Just like you can talk on your radio to dispatch while pulling a high-speed U-turn.
You do not have the right to tell me what to do inside my car.
Once I start weaving in and out of traffic, which is ALREADY AGAINST THE LAW, you can do something about it, and do it now. No waiting.
So what's up? How come nobody is citing the MORON who happens to be distracting herself, and everyone blames the phones/radios/devices?
How about taking some fricking responsability for a change?
A cell phone does not grab your wheel for you. Nor does a radio cut your brake lines. Fess up.
Best!
Ben. |
john (Johnwto)
Junior Member
Username: Johnwto
Post Number: 137
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 1:43 pm: | |
"If we let the attitude or personality of traffic offenders dictate who does and does not receive a citation, enforcement fairness becomes tainted, and those with a quick wit or charming personalities are given preference over those with less verbal skills"
----i agree with you BUT it's not about quick wit or charming personalities. a ticket is to act as a punishment and a deterrent. there are circumstances when a motorist has a valid 'excuse' and a warning can act as a sufficient deterrent. in an extreme example a man going 20 mph over the speed limit because his wife is in labor pains should not be given a ticket. but you can't determine the circumstances unless you speak with the driver. like any breach, of any statute, an investigation should be done BEFORE issue a charge. if you have your mind made up already then it's actually you who "violates the whole constitutional fairness doctrine". there is no code that says every offender MUST be charged. it is widely accepted that police have discretionary powers.
and i mean no disrepect with this post, just another view point.
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