| Author | Message | ||
| Skip Williamson (Darolls)
Junior Member Username: Darolls Post Number: 182 Registered: 7-2003 |
Unbelievable, this is a known fact. New cars DO get damaged, not only in transport, but at the factory too. Think about it, an Enzo is damaged in transport, or at the factory after its been painted, so the factory/dealer decide the car should be sent back to Italy to be melted down and remade. No.....that's not the way it works! All car mfgs./dealers repair new cars that have been damaged before delivery to the customer..........they don't scrap them, and the value of the car isn't diminished. Don't be anal, think of old old cars that have been restored, and were repainted. Is a Bugatti Royale worth less because of fresh paint?? | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 272 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think that it depends on the car, and since yours is a 6.0 diablo that was north of 160k I would be pissed. I would definately want to know if it was just cosmetic. If you paid top dollar for a perfect car it is unacceptable. If you never asked if it had paintwork, thats another story. | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 550 Registered: 7-2003 |
Happened to my Father. His '38 Caddie was used in the movie D!ck Tracy (Al Pacino's car). The studio painted it sky blue, repainted it black and did not tell him. They did a nice job! DL | ||
| Kurt White (Ferraribooks)
Junior Member Username: Ferraribooks Post Number: 126 Registered: 2-2002 |
Thanks for all the input guys, i wasn't going to get myself all worked up about it, but thought i would see what others thought. I must admit, whoever painted the car, did a stellar job, yes, i can notice tell tale signs here & there, but i doubt 99.9% of buyers will never know. I decided not to approach the dealer i bought the car from, simply because, once i bring it to there attention, they will obviously state no knowledge as i am the 3rd owner now. Besides, i want to buy a new toy sometime next year & told the dealer i bought my car from to keep an eye out for it, once they have located the new car, i'll be trading my car back to them. If i don't raise the issue of the repaint, then how can they complain about a repaint, they are the ones that sold it to me in the first place :-) Sometimes it's best to just keep your mouth shut. Tata. | ||
| nickm........ (Nickm)
Member Username: Nickm Post Number: 283 Registered: 8-2001 |
The BMW story is pretty weird. I live about 10 miles away from a main port where Euro cars and Japanese cars are brought in to the US. BMW's Jaguars, Porsches are brought in by the thousands! They also are damaged by the hundreds! There are crews who's job is to repair the cars. It must have been some strange circumstance happened to the guys BMW for him to be awarded $50K. Trust me, they are damaged all the time, before the dealers even see the cars. | ||
| robert biscan (Tn_ferrari_bob)
New member Username: Tn_ferrari_bob Post Number: 47 Registered: 1-2003 |
Call the seller and ask him what happened. I have had the front bumper of my cars painted due to rock chips not accidents. I also disclosed this to the buyers. I would be upset if lied to about the car. If the car is not what you want sell it and get another one. I think the work must be good, Clean off the overspray. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 309 Registered: 12-2002 |
Paint is paint. "Inside Ferrari" shows final line of F40s with areas masked off for respray! Dealers routinely repair transit damage, sometimes VERY extensive, prior to selling a NEW car. With early Ferraris remember that sometimes racecars were re bodied and sold as new to North America. Now POOR paint work is another issue. It should be invisible to the expert eye. Of course I've seen this lead to a total respray for a picky owner. NOW it matches! With most Italian cars, the original paint falls on the groound when the rust flakes off! | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
Junior Member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 115 Registered: 4-2002 |
Personally, it would definitely bother me. As for the Enzo repaints, I would be lividly angry if this happened to me and would be on the phone with Italy immediately to find out just how it is that a $1M showcase vehicle needs to be repainted by a local dealership before you get to drive it. I think consumers shouldn't be buying into this "ah, everything gets repainted" line that dealers are pedaling. Try telling them that when you go to trade the car in or re-sell it. I had this argument with a dealer before when I traded in a Corvette that I had bought new (from a different dealer) and they insisted the fender was repainted. They backed off when I turned up the volume a little bit and said "wow, so you guys can get people coming and going! You repaint the cars before people get them and you dont tell them about it, and then you try to knock value off when they trade the car back in! Nice scam!" The day I'm willing to let obvious paint work go will be the day that a dealer would were they *buying* the car. If you ever have to resell the car, you're the one who's going to have to do the explaining and take the big value hit. | ||
| Andy Barre (Abarre)
Junior Member Username: Abarre Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2003 |
Last month I watched a Ferrari dealer PDI a brand new Enzo. There were Post-it notes stuck all over the body where there were paint imperfections. That's right, even Enzos get remedial paintwork at the dealer! | ||
| Fred (I Luv 4REs) (Iluv4res)
Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 581 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think it depends on what buyer you were. If you're the 1st owner, I'd be upset. I would contact the dealer immediately. They need to make things right. If you're the second owner, and you specifically asked and were lied to, I'd be upset. A good spray with some cheap spraypaint on the sellers house and cars along with a 'thank you' rock through the window and a nice 'liar' key mark on every panel on their car should make you feel better. However, if you're the 3rd+ owner, you KNOW the 2nd owner is going to tell you they didn't know it since there was someone who owned it before them. Sellers that are liars tick me off............. However, from the previous postings on this board, it wouldn't seem to bother most people if they found paintwork......gheez, no wonder e-bay is still in business...... | ||
| fanatic (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 547 Registered: 2-2003 |
Interesting thread..........I was also told by the dealership here (echoing a few posts) that at least half of all new cars require some sort of "touch up" due to damage sustained en route to the dealership. Under OHIO law, the dealership does not need to disclose any work performed on the car, unless the total repair / repaint is over 8% of the cost of the car........So if your buying a new 50,000.00 car, 4000.00 worth of paint jobs or other things could have been done to it, and the dealer does not have to disclose it.....interesting, probably not something to get all worked up about, but I had no idea about this until just recently. | ||
| Norm (32storm)
Junior Member Username: 32storm Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2003 |
I wouldn't worry about it. If you painted cars for 14 years and didn't spot it, it must be a very nice job. If it bothers you, approach the dealer about it. But, did they know it had been painted, or was it painted before they got the car? | ||
| Skip Williamson (Darolls)
Junior Member Username: Darolls Post Number: 178 Registered: 7-2003 |
Sheesh......if part of the car, or the whole car has been repainted, it's no big deal. Unless the car was represented to you as a totally original survivor??? | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 230 Registered: 5-2003 |
I would sell it right away if I don't feel right, im talking about pride but if thats not the case I would keep it, but if the fact that because it was repainted bothers me then I would sell it right away and search for another. Paint its only paint, its like skin it might have a few scars but its what is inside what counts. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2139 Registered: 5-2001 |
Kurt, I wouldn't sweat it...especially if it is well done....the only concern I would have is if the dealer knowingly kept this information from you. Hopefully (and the majority of the time) the reason for the respray is to "freshen" the car up from the inevitable rock chips, as Vince said. I had the entire front of my previous 308 resprayed (front of door to front of door) and cost me $2k, but cleaned up all the paint chips and was just about undectable when done (shot by a good friend, who is a top painter). | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 445 Registered: 6-2002 |
If I took my car in for an oil change and got it back later with an obvious respray, I think I might ask a few questions.  | ||
| John (Cohiba_man)
Member Username: Cohiba_man Post Number: 337 Registered: 1-2003 |
I think he has a Lambo, not a Ferrari. | ||
| Charles Krop (Charliek)
New member Username: Charliek Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2003 |
I was over at a local dealer looking ata car to buy. I kept asking if the car had paintwork. The owner told me probably evey Ferrari has had paintwork done. He was in the middle of repainting a door on a brand new Enzo how about picking that car up for 1 mil + with a done door?There were also numerous 355's and 360's being shot. So in my humble opinion, from what I have seen in Ferrari land I would forget it and get on my horse and ride. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Advanced Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2756 Registered: 7-2001 |
I had the same problem Kurt. I paid for a ppi and the first day I owned it, it was being loaded on a tow truck (whole other story) and I noticed a drip in one of the air intakes. Since then I've discovered evidence of basically an entire repaint. I've gotten over being angry about it, but I'll also be a lot more thorough about it next time. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 2013 Registered: 11-2001 |
kurt - did the dealer tell you the car had never had paintwork? doody. | ||
| Neville Pugh (Nevpugh68)
Junior Member Username: Nevpugh68 Post Number: 83 Registered: 7-2001 |
I'm currently looking round for a place to respray my 308GTS. My current favourite place is the paint shop which does all the work for my local Ferrari and Maserati dealer. To quote the owner of the place "The majority of new cars " (fcar/maser) " have to have at least SOME remedial paint work before they are sold .... there's always something that gets damaged on the trip over here." And true enough, two out of the 4 cars they were working on that day were a brand new 360 (front bumper respray) and a Maserati (the WHOLE of the rear 1/3 of the car was being resprayed due to paint reaction) | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1138 Registered: 4-2003 |
There was a case from Alabama where a doctor was not told that his new $40k BMW had been repainted. A jury awarded $2 Million but the supreme court ruled it as unconstitutionally excessive and reduced it to $50k. Here is a link with more information. | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 438 Registered: 6-2002 |
The respray may not have been the result of an accident. It could be the result of someone wanting to 'freshen' the car up. As long as the job was well done, I would be okay with it. If it took a pro like yourself a while to spot it, then it must have been a decent, but not perfect, job. btw - your profile lists a Diablo under 'Ferraris owned' ... | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Intermediate Member Username: Psk Post Number: 1086 Registered: 11-2002 |
Okay what is the problem? If the car is brand new and you are the first owner and say the service department damaged the car and had it fixed without telling you?. In this case I would be upset ... but it would not the first time. Otherwise if you have bought a second hand car, well, er, the seller is not going to stand there and honestly tell you about every thing ... like the 2000 hard track days, etc. Thus it sounds like a very professional job has been done that will not affect the resale value ... so I say get in and drive her, and forget about it. Thus you will be able to sell her when the time comes without mentioning it either. Remember Ferraris are machines to be used, and thus accidents happen ... if fixed properly who cares. Even 250GTO's have accidents ... Enjoy Pete | ||
| Kurt White (Ferraribooks)
Junior Member Username: Ferraribooks Post Number: 125 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ok, So i am out cleaning & waxing my car today & start noticing a few items, first time since i have had the car have i given it a good wax job. I noticed a bit of paint on the inside of the doors weatherstrip, once i see that, i knew that the door had had paint work, then i really started to look harder. It now looks to me, (well it has), had the following parts painted: Fenders L- R Front Sills L-R Doors L-R Quarters L-R. Can't be certain on the bumpers though as these would have been taken off to paint & there are no tell tale signs of overspray. I will say this, whoever painted the car, did do a good job, i used to paint cars for a living up until 3 years ago & did so for 14 years, i just noticed this today, so you can see how well it was done, once though you find one area, they all start to appear. I paid an awful lot of money for this car & not once did anyone tell me about the paint work, i ran a carfax & it did come back spotless, my question is, would you guys be upset, & what recorse if any should i take. I have put 2000 miles on the car in the past 5 months, i purchased it from a dealer in La Jolla CA. All opinions welcome. |