| Author | Message | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 420 Registered: 1-2003 |
Will the new NSX allow a 6 footer to driver in it? THe current one dose not. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Intermediate Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 1134 Registered: 2-2003 |
Willis, I understand.  I feel its more revolutionary than evolutionary. In Mark's picture, I see "street car", "race car", "street car", "race car" in their form. A lot of people appear to prefer the F40 and Enzo over the F50. I lust after an F50 and would never own the other two, but I respect what they are. Its just a matter of our individual perceptions but it keeps things interesting! Al, different cars appeal to different people. I think it has as much soul as any Ferrari. The NSX has soul, Senna, Zanardi, and Honda's soul poured into it. It lacks pedigree, something some manufacturers like Ferrari ooze just by invoking the name. A car is more than the sum of its parts, the badge, the performance, exclusivity, and price. Thus, pedigree. Do the F1 drivers tune Ferrari's road cars like they did for the NSX? I really don't know. But thats all the soul I need in my sports cars. Sunny | ||
| Mark (Study)
Intermediate Member Username: Study Post Number: 1041 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1719 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sunny, To me, the Enzo looks like a continuation of the Ferrari supercar line. It doesn't look like anything else. My 360 had been mistaken for a Mitsu Eclipse before. The 360 designer's Yugoslavian. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1718 Registered: 8-2001 |
The Honda Soichiro? | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 283 Registered: 3-2002 |
im growing tired of stress and difficulties of owning fcar and thinking of replacement p turbo for the 348 in few years. forget that now! this nsx is perfect for me esp if they get rid of nsx name which caries little clout here and go with honda founders 1st name, whatever that is. | ||
| Al Johnson (Bigal)
Junior Member Username: Bigal Post Number: 207 Registered: 3-2002 |
I never have and never will care for, let alone purchase a Japanese car. I'm sure I'll unleash a torrent of response similar to my agreement with another poster in his thread about the NSX having no soul. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Intermediate Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 1132 Registered: 2-2003 |
Willis, that may be true, however we can't deny the design was not influenced by culture, education, experience, and personal taste. To me, the Enzo is a riced out modern Ferrari. Before you start throwing sharp and or heavy objects at me.. If I looked at the Enzo WITHOUT knowing what it was or who designed it, I would think it was a Japanese/Import supercar, not the pinnacle of modern Ferrari style and technology. Unquestionably. You can't look at the Enzo and say that when it was designed, form was given equal priority over function. Function over form, a Japanese design hallmark. Thats how I see it, anyway. Sunny P.S. Designing form over function means eliminating broken lines, something the Enzo has in abundance! | ||
| Mark (Study)
Intermediate Member Username: Study Post Number: 1040 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frank- I wish Honda would have done a $100,000 F50 back in 1995. But today's automotive world has developed lightning fast product cycles and aggressive design to prototype tooling. Ferrari may have to re-think 400 car production runs. Every time Ferrari creates a demand for a dream car at $1,000,000 a copy... Some smart company is going to get into the game. I'm just glad its Honda's engineers. | ||
| Frank (Sparta49)
Member Username: Sparta49 Post Number: 555 Registered: 3-2001 |
I still think they are both fugly. Give me a F40 anyday. Just my opinion | ||
| Mark (Study)
Intermediate Member Username: Study Post Number: 1039 Registered: 10-2001 |
Honda can give you 85% of the Enzo's looks and performance for 15% of the price? Isn't Honda a good thing� for us non-millionaire Enzo fans? Is it a smart business move, to fill a huge demand gap? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1716 Registered: 8-2001 |
I'm well aware of Ken Okuyama and his designs. It's not the ethnicity of the designer but the company culture in which he/they do the designing. Okuyama designed under very difference environment (Pininfarina in Italy) from the Honda designers in Japan. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Intermediate Member Username: Study Post Number: 1038 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ken Okuyama Japanese-born Enzo designer "About five months before the new Ferrari Enzo Ferrari�designed by the glamorous Pininfarina shop�made its official premi�re at the Paris auto show, there was a public viewing of the life-size mock-up�in an art museum in Tokyo. And there to take the kudos was a 48-year-old Japanese-born designer, Ken Okuyama." http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/278649.html | ||
| Mark (Study)
Intermediate Member Username: Study Post Number: 1037 Registered: 10-2001 |
"I don't think it look anything like an Enzo" Mitch, this is the photo that got most people thinking it looked like an ENZO.  Willis-"I'd like to see an original design from Japan that does not recall any styling cues from other exotics." Willis- the one on the left is from a Japanese designer. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Intermediate Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 1121 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sunny, Remember the more power the less reliable an engine becomes.. Most V8 don't even have 400hp.. People don't buy used Lotus over 30k miles for a reason..4 cyl + 300 hp = short life.. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Intermediate Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 1120 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sunny. I don't have a problem with the V6 putting out the performance that the NSX does.. I didn't have a problem with the 4 cyl twin turbo of the Lotus Esprit.. As long as it can hang with the big boys it's a worth contender.. Lotus up'ed to a V8 twin turbo and the stats really didn't change much.. I would like to see the new body be topped off with some new power and stats.. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 743 Registered: 11-2001 |
I thought the Enzo was a copy of the Model T, 4 wheels, 2 doors, 1 engine, seats, sterring wheel. Lighten up! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1712 Registered: 8-2001 |
I'd like to see an original design from Japan that does not recall any styling cues from other exotics. Notice that the rear 3/4 panel and brake duct area look like the Enzo. Wheels cribbed from the Gallardo. Twin nose air ducts like the 360 and Enzo. The back end of this car is a mess. The original NSX design is so much better than this. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Intermediate Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 1129 Registered: 2-2003 |
Everyone keeps complaining about cylinders. A 6-cyl engine is going to be plenty if its a force fed 3.0L, 3.2L, or 3.5L. NA, they are providing 270-300bhp, what do you want, the power/weight of a Caterham? Slap a supercharger for more low end grunt and steady boost, or a turbo and hold onto your socks. I'm tired of hearing, its only a V6, people demand an V8, if its not a V10 or V12 it sucks. A V6 can be engineered to produce all the power you need. Honda will make it reliable too. You can tweak it to 400-500bhp and 2800lbs, what do you want for sub-$100k? Sunny | ||
| Ron (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 808 Registered: 12-2002 |
What Mitch said. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1249 Registered: 4-2002 |
I don't think it look anything like an Enzo. The front end looks like a 360 with all the curves changed to edges. The side looks like a 360 with a bit of 350Z thrown in. | ||
| Steve Jones (Steve_jones)
New member Username: Steve_jones Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2003 |
They are going to a V8 and that too will spin to some astounding RPM level. I have always loved "just Hondas"...they are the best compromise on the planet for super car/daily driver...just my 200 yen Steve 87 328 GTS www.sportauto.cc | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Intermediate Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 1118 Registered: 5-2002 |
Isn't it rumored that they will be using a V8 engine now, or are they still using the V6 engine? At least they redesigned the body.. It's about time. | ||
| Ricky Agrawal (Vraa)
New member Username: Vraa Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2003 |
Honda should be ashamed? Hooold on, isn't this a smart business move? | ||
| Mark (Study)
Intermediate Member Username: Study Post Number: 1036 Registered: 10-2001 |
The Enzo was designed by a very talented Japanese man. The Enzo's design was shown in Japan before Italy. Search for a thread in the archives if you want to read all about it - I think the title was "Enzo's father is Asian" I'd buy an Enzo if Ferrari would let me. Honda might be smart to fill the demand Ferrari refuses to supply at a realistic price. If you want the most modern Italian work of art... look to the Japanese designers. (How the world changes). They do a nice Maserati too  | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 327 Registered: 5-2002 |
Copycat!!!!!! | ||
| Jun Roxas (Jun)
Junior Member Username: Jun Post Number: 60 Registered: 9-2003 |
Don't know if anyone has seen this yet. The new NSX looks a lot like the Enzo. Honda should be ashamed of themselves. The doors open at an angle like the Enzo (kind of gullwing but at an angle) I guess no matter what it looks like it's still a Honda.  |