| Author | Message | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2001 |
Speaking of Being Politically Incorrect... Have you guys heard that the kid who was arrested for the mailbox pipe bombings was planning on making a smily face on the map, to coorespond with his targets? Save the Smily  !!!!!!!! | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2001 |
Well I'm not gay, but if I were I would be a lesbian | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
Junior Member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 248 Registered: 3-2002 |
edward i said many times i was not defending his comment.. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 191 Registered: 7-2001 |
and... STAMP OUT IGNORANCE!!!! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 890 Registered: 6-2001 |
Does anyone else think the word fag or gay lost all homosexual meaning? My friends and i always call each other gay and fags. Whenever i refer to something as gay i pretty much mean its stupid. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 158 Registered: 1-2002 |
Terry, get a clue, and find another board, OK? Perhaps the Penthouse Forum might be more your speed. Why is it necessary for you to sound like a 9th grader to make your point, whatever it was? Good grief! My motto about this nonsense? STAMP OUT INTOLERANCE ! ;-) | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 417 Registered: 6-2001 |
Anybody take the time to read this entire threat start to finish? Getting pretty weird. Reminds me of that thread about floor mats? Just because anyone with a computer can get on line is no reason for us to have to listen to them, is there? Art | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 137 Registered: 2-2002 |
Gee Andrew, why would you be defending Craigy? Read back a few posts, are you and your monkey upset now? Do I still hold the record for the most disturbing post? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2705 Registered: 2-2001 |
Terry, This is the wrong place to come out of the closet. | ||
| Patrick S. Perry (Psp1)
Junior Member Username: Psp1 Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2001 |
I think that the record is that one called "Archives" with 28,552! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1569 Registered: 12-2000 |
Wow, this thread is really starting to show potential for the record. What's the current record for messages in a thread? | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2002 |
Gee Ed, are you saying a Homo cannot be a Ferrari fanatic? I take great offense at your biggoted disrespect for rump rangers! Fag bashing may be a respectable pastime in your neck of the woods, but where I come from, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh duuuuuuuuuuuu sorry, its actually a sport around here ;) | ||
| Don't want to be a (Spoilsport)
New member Username: Spoilsport Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2002 |
Rob, you are correct that MOST of the flames were not directed in my direction, but this is coming from a (according to some) penis challenged, burger flipping, jealous, cowardly, politically correct loser. Just to set the record straight, I really like 308s and females - not necessarily in that order. | ||
| Mark Izzo (Tdf355)
New member Username: Tdf355 Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well Edward, the thread will definitely continue now!! | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1320 Registered: 2-2001 |
Does this mean we can't bash each other anymore? We have to bash someone. I know, let's get the Homos. Everyone is suppposed to hate them according to the Bible. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1567 Registered: 12-2000 |
Andrew, just like the real world where I only discriminate against those that discriminate and I'm only narrow minded towards those that are narrow minded... I only disrespect those that disrespect. I didn't have a prob with Spoilsport's message because it was an opinion, but Mako88's was just plain disrespectful to us 308 series owners. Making comments "...like the 308, I wouldn't wish that slow sloppy dog on my worst enemy." He could of made an opinion towards the 308 without being hateful, like he was. Also, most of the responses flaming weren't against Spoilsport, but Mako88. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 266 Registered: 3-2002 |
Martin, we've reserved you a room at FCA (That's Ferrari Chat Anonymous, by the way). Magoo's waiting in the car... | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
Junior Member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 243 Registered: 3-2002 |
I want you guys to understand where im coming from on this..I think our conduct towards people is something that needs to be taken into consideration when posting messages. I would really like imput from all of you about this | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 884 Registered: 6-2001 |
You think this post will replace the "where did you come from..." one? What was that up to, like 600? The second longest one was like 200 something i think. | ||
| Chuck Rine (Chuck348ts)
Junior Member Username: Chuck348ts Post Number: 101 Registered: 5-2001 |
Martin, at 2000+ posts you are addicted beyond therapy. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1839 Registered: 12-2000 |
Martin, wanna race to #500? | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
Junior Member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 240 Registered: 3-2002 |
wow..i go away for 1 week and this is what i come home to? look what happens when im not around..come on guys! People on this board have said everyone is entitled to their opinion, as craig certainly is. WHatever he thinks is his opinion and we should treat it as such. Me, being a fan of 308's obviously think he is WAY off base but its still his opinion..if his opinion is offensive why must all of you degrade yourself to his level of comments? Some of these posts directed towards craig have actually been WORSE then the posts craig has directed towards 308's, espiecally the one about the 1 hand on his monkey and his other hand on the computer mouse..i thought that was particually rude. If you want to talk about maturity, I am only 20 and I sence that people maybe twice my age are acting like they are half my age..and I would say the ONLY DISTURBING TREND on this board is your comments towards other members..that goes for everyone. I would like to ask that people try to contain themselves when posting messages and act in a civilized way. Afterall, spoilsport said that this is one of the most affluent boards on the internet, lets try to act like it.. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2072 Registered: 5-2001 |
....sorry, just wanted to be #100  | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member Username: Ross Post Number: 63 Registered: 3-2002 |
been away for a couple days, so reacting to the first comment in the thread. i actually like this website for exactly that reason. there are so few other places that you can discuss your passion for ferraris without somebody giving you sh!t for it. here we can talk about our fcar desires, disappointments, experiences etc, enjoying the fact that everyone else relishes similar things and can be happy for you to have had the fun. let's not get pc on this site as well. we'll just promise to stay polite. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1554 Registered: 12-2000 |
I haven't had a single problem (that I know about) valet parking my car in Dallas. I think I would have more problems parking in back where I couldn't see. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 256 Registered: 3-2002 |
Jim, either you're a brave man, or valets are different in Texas. I wouldn't valet a bicycle in Chicago. You wouldn't believe the way these guys treat cars when the owners aren't around. | ||
| James O'Gara (Jamesogara)
New member Username: Jamesogara Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
ps thanks for the encouraging words guys ... I guarantee it'll happen someday, even if its 15 years from now. As for the 3.0 / doing well in math, I'm working on it ;) | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 399 Registered: 7-2001 |
The last time I valet parked my car the "17 year old with a huge grin on his face" said "It would by my pleasure to park your car right up front sir". How could I say no? | ||
| James O'Gara (Jamesogara)
New member Username: Jamesogara Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2002 |
HEY! that pants-wetting incident was A LONG TIME AGO! How'd you know about that anyway? lol... You're right i've never driven/ridden in a ferrari, even though i've worked as a valet for about a year now. Through that I've gotten in some nice machinery (911TT, NSX), but for some reason the guys with the REALLY nice rides seemed reluctant to hand them over to the 17-year old with the huge grin on his face. I can't imagine why... | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 413 Registered: 6-2001 |
I've noticed that when someone starts lunacy on one of these threads we all react. Magoo had it right. Art | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 396 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hey Edward, you don't have to "do good in math" to get a Ferrari. I'm no dummy in math, but it had nothing to with me getting my car. Learn to sell something expensive, reap the commissions, save your money, buy the car. I'll give James a ride any time he's in Dallas. I've never turned anyone down yet. But then, no really fat ugly girls have asked yet either... | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Junior Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 221 Registered: 2-2002 |
OK Now someone belly up to the bar and go give James a ride. Just don't make him wet his pants. HAHA We got to have someone in the DC area. Welcome. How about you Mr. Bob when are you going to stop lurking. | ||
| Floyd Lawson (Floyd8686)
New member Username: Floyd8686 Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2002 |
This thread is getting all the lurkers to register, including me. I always try and share in someone's excitement when they acquire a car, no matter what make, and no matter if the car is my cup of tea. Deep down, we're all 'car guys' and that sure is fun to me. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2063 Registered: 5-2001 |
welcome James... posting in this section is kind of funny. Let me put it this way from what i have learned from a great track driver: It does not take a fast car to be good on the track but a good driver that knowns how to bring the max out of the machine! Case and point this is why a NASCAR can not compete with a well balanced Ferrari on a street course. My point you asked? A 308 with a good driver will outrun any 550 Maranello with a bad driver on the track. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2698 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mark, Ditto, You are absolutely correct. Every once in a while a Ferrari heckler comes on and stirs up trouble. He gets his "jollies" we get nothing but a rise in blood pressure. | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 133 Registered: 2-2002 |
James, Welcome to this site. Do good in math, stay above a 3.0 (You might need to go to grad school.) And, by all means, keep a clean driving record. (Insurance on a Ferrari will be expensive.) And, I'll bet my Mondial you get an "F" car before lil-craigy does. ha ha | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1546 Registered: 12-2000 |
James, welcome to the site. Everyone is welcome that has a passion for Ferrari. I was right where you are one day. My passion is still the exact same, maybe just a little bit more satisfied. | ||
| James O'Gara (Jamesogara)
New member Username: Jamesogara Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hi guys, I'm a long time lurker on this site and decided this might be a good place for a first post. As an extremely poor 17 year old college student who puts all his earnings into paying for his ridiculously expensive education, I always had a little inferiority complex with actually posting here, like i wouldnt have much to offer real owners. But I will say that i absolutely LOVE listening to all the stories that the owners of any ferrari put on this site, whether they are about F40s or gt4s. They are real motivation for people like me (and i'm sure there are a lot of them) to chase after that dream of one day owning one of these machines. I dont see them as bragging, just people with a real passion expressing it in an appropriate place. Keep em coming- I can't get enough! James. | ||
| Mark Izzo (Tdf355)
New member Username: Tdf355 Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2002 |
This guy Craig is really laughing now. A few "trolling" comments and he sets the hook on some of the smartest fish on the planet. C'mon , you guys should know better than to play into this. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2058 Registered: 5-2001 |
Gheez, I am off for the weekend and this is what you guys come up with? | ||
| Khoa Phan (Downunder)
New member Username: Downunder Post Number: 6 Registered: 2-2002 |
In regards to the comments about a Ferrari being an unjustifiable purchase (or simply, just a boy's toy), I just want to say: PEOPLE SHOULD SPEND THEIR MONEY ON WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY. This is my philosophy. Owning a Ferrari would make me happy, and I, at 17, share the Tifosi passion, and love the emotion and excitement and heritage encircled by the prancing horse badge of Ferrari. I will own a Ferrari before I die! Spoilsport: I'm sure you're jsut reading too much into these posts. 99% of people just want to share the Ferrari passion with fellow members with the same passion. And the other 1%, namely Craig Mako, doesn't have this passion, and should never have been allowed to register at this board. Personally, I think he is a real low-life, and has the maturity and insight of an 8 year old. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
New member Username: Dapper Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2002 |
I go on many other chat/forums relating to various other interests and 'spoilsports post' is no different to that discussed occasionaly on all of them, it is just sour grapes. Most of us can just read the sort of posts that clearly upset him without it having too much meaning. I just 'admire' and 'envy' people who can afford the very best, I'm not 'jealous', theres a difference! Spoilsport you need to grow up a little and get on with enjoying what YOU can afford and admire what others can. Enjoy reading about their exploits and experiences instead of letting jealousy eat you up man! There will always bne someone better off than you and even them, so dont let it be a problem that troubles you. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2002 |
I primarily want to just add my vote for "Nobody needs to change their posting behavior, except for Craig.", just so the readers know where popular opinion lies. In partial defense of spoilsport, it is certainly *possible* for the "joy of ferrari ownership" posts to go over the line to bragging. And it is possible for this board to get overrun by show-offs rather than Ferrari lovers... which would be a shame. But, in contrast to spoilsport, I don't see that happening here... I like that people feel comfortable to come here and trade stories of that joy of ownership... stories they couldn't share in typical circles because it *would* be taken the wrong way (because non-Tifosi cannot relate to "the joy of owning a Ferrari"... insert all of Mr. Doody's post here). As such, I think the forum serves an important purpose for many of us. Spoilsport, I suggest you think of the posts in that light... where else can a Ferrari lover go to express the joy of playing with his toy? I love hearing from Ferrari lovers... even the 14-year olds who are just dreaming... most of us have been there. But there are Ferrari owners that aren't Ferrari lovers... they are expensive thing lovers... show-offs... fortunately, they don't get much from forums like this, so they just pop up occasionally (like Craig). I own a 360... but when a 308 drives down the road my office overlooks, I will consistently pause and watch it until it passes out of view. I love all Ferrari's... If I were at an autocross and could choose to take 3 runs in *either* a 911 turbo *or* a 308... I'd choose the 308... it would be way slower, but its a Ferrari! (Of course, if I could choose *both*, I would... ;^) Finally, an observation: both FerrariChat and Ferrarilist forums are soooo much more civil and as a result sooo less littered by trolls... trolls don't have enough fun here because they are mostly just ignored... in contrast, I can't tolerate most of the BMW forums because they get overrun by trolls and BMW owners that are too compelled to respond (to feed those trolls). Anyway, here's to FerrariChat and keeping this thread contained in this thread. Cheers. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Junior Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 129 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wow! Lots of raw nerves here, I just have to say something, but I will be brief. 1. What better place to share new purchases and all the excitement they entail? My neighbors and friends have little or no interest and they would think I was bragging! 2. In defense of 308's. I started with one and worked my way up the ladder so to speak. But I have had 2 others since and last summer when I sold my 348 Challenge and was left with a GTB QV in the garage, some would think I was nuts. I now have a 328 as well, but I kept the 308. It's slow but god it's fun. One can make an excellent case that 308's saved Ferarri financially. 3. As far as winning the game goes by buying a late model Ferrari, I hope that statement was jesting. I know people with net worth well into 8 figures who drive relative junks. And I know people who scraped together all they could and borrowed the rest to buy a late model Ferrari just to impress people. 4. Happiness is being able to afford any car you want and liking a cheaper one beter anyway. Dave | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2692 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey Guys, Did you ever think that this guy, Craig, has just come on this thread to get his "jollies"? Remember the thread "Fast and the Furious-Ferrari style." That was inspired by Ferrari hecklers also. Maybe the best thing to do is "End of Conversation". Your choice. Just a thought. Magoo | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Junior Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 219 Registered: 2-2002 |
Remeber the movie the GodFather, THIS IS THE LIFE WE HAVE CHOSEN. or the business. So, stop complaining. The two broke dudes that I befreinded here just try to rip off people in thier little business and miss represent them selves. That's why they are no longer my friends. I found the guys with money are better to talk to and get along with. At least I know thay are not trying to rip off my freinds. They already have money. The other guys try to do 30K on cars under thier car ports. Now do you understand. My 2 cents. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 358 Registered: 10-2001 |
Chris and to everyone else on this board, act and contribute like none of Craigs' or Spoilsports' comments were ever written. I've received lots of technical assistance, humor, and a few good garage ideas because of some of the individuals on this site who not only have the cars, but the awesome garages to keep them. I hope I'm in KC one of these days to see the collection Chris!...and yes, a ride in the F40 is expected ;) | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 446 Registered: 2-2001 |
If the guys that have the more expensive Ferraris can't post without feeling like they are bragging then it is really not a Ferrari board is it. If you are a bragger then you will brag about an F40, 308, rolex watch or what ever. Hopefully someday I will be able to move up in the Ferrari chain and when I do you can bet I will let you guys know about it. I like to hear about everyones car(s). | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 131 Registered: 2-2002 |
Aaaaaa, ha, ha ,, My Piece of Crap Mondial Turbo ran GREAT today. Too bad it has a 308 engine in it,,,,, with 350 hp to the rear wheels. (Snicker) Too bad it's not a "Real Ferrari"?huh,,,,,, Craigy. Enzo would have hated it,,,,,,,, NOT! (You suck Craigy, most "real men" I know are out whooping it up with their wives/girlfriends @ 9:00 pm on a saturday night (I was). No doubt you were home with lil-monkey in one hand, and your mouse in the other, on you "Good Friends" porn site. How many of those/your women have Hepatitas-C?) | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 876 Registered: 6-2001 |
I hope for craigs sake you (or i) dont accidentally meet him. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
New member Username: Glassman Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2002 |
Craig, You don't sound like anybody I've ever met that actually owned a Ferrari. I hope I don't somehow accidently meet you. Bill | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 229 Registered: 3-2002 |
Thank you Bret... Chris | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 228 Registered: 3-2002 |
Dave, I did not say that very well, I will write my posts in such a way to minmize any feelings that I am attempting to put up a "financial" fence. However, I know that some people enjoy my postings and I will continue to enjoy those people. I really respect a lot of people on here, but I really don't know if they have a Ferrari or not, and if they do, what model it is, I do not care. I love anybody that loves Ferrari's. Who cares what kind of Ferrari they own? Hey, if my world turns upside down and I lose everything, hopefully I will be back "bragging" about my "new" carb 308, but it will have to be Fly Yellow and a GTB (track time)! Chris | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2560 Registered: 2-2001 |
Maybe you misread what I typed Chris, although you probably did read it right, but just to make sure. I was saying not to keep posts to a minimum, but rather sentences that could be misinterpreted as bragging. I can't think of any you have typed or anyone else off hand, just a suggestion in general. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2002 |
Chris, I hope you do NOT reduce your posts to a minimum just due the unfortunate words of one poster, or the hubbub that ensued!!! Be yourself, not someone else's image of yourself. Please. You add A LOT to this board (am I wrong here, folks?). Don't forget that. As for FCA/LA, it looks unlikely at this point. I thought I would be finished a consulting gig by then (my client is getting acquired) but now it looks like the final deal negotiations will drag out a while, probably through Memorial Day. Since I was hired to essentially sell them off, I have to see things through. Bummer. But when you give your word, you give your word, eh? If a last-minute miracle happens, I know FCA will take my $$$ right up until the day before, and I will go (and let you know). But right now, it looks unliklely. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 109 Registered: 12-2001 |
You know, the one thing that I like about this website is that everyone has a love for Ferrari. I wish I was in a position to be able to afford a 328, but right now that is not the case. So, until I can, I will live vicariously thru everyong on this site. Those of you who can afford to go buy a new 360 or 550 or whatever, CONGRATULATIONS for the success that you have achieved that affords you the ability to own such great cars. I dont doubt that all of you have worked very hard to get to that position. To those of you who are annoyed that new owners post on the site "bragging" about their cars, remember the purpose of this site - to exchange information about the cars we love. Thats how all of us on this site are the same no matter how much money we have to spend on a car. This site is not about bragging or "showing up" other people. I am sure that if I walked up to a user that owned a 550 (may favorite) and saw that I was enamoured by the cars, that he/she would be more than willing to tell me about it and maybe even offer me a ride. Its the passion that we all share that is the glue that binds this site together and I am sure that was Rob's intent when he created this site. Do some people on here brag a little about thair cars? - HELL YES. Should those of us who are only in the position to dream be jealous - maybe so. But WHO CARES - we all strive for the same thing. We are all adults, not kids in the neighborhood who get jealous over the next door neighbors new bike. Let's get over all pettiness and bitching about who has what car and who does not. I love to hear the stories of users getting their new cars -it keeps me motivated to work harder so that I can get a nice, shiny black 328 in my garage someday. Dreams are what keep us going and living vicariously thru everyone on this site is the reason that I log in numerous times each day to see whats new. This is a great place to exchange stories and information - let's not turn it into a place where people feel that there is a fence between the "haves" and the "have nots". Frankly, if my life turns out so that I am never able to buy a Ferrari, so what. My life is good and I have many other things to be thankful for - Ferrari or no Ferrari. | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 227 Registered: 3-2002 |
Hi Dave, Thanks for the kind words, I was pretty upset by this thread last night. You know how much I love Ferrari's and I love to talk about them, I never dreamed I would make anybody upset. I will keep my posts to a minimum from this point. Yes, I talked to Steve Will and he told me that Lambo gave them no options, but to move the Lambo franchise to Dallas. Motorcars in Springfield will move into Youngblood's new VW store in Springfield. A separate building will hold Ferrari's etc. The internet has made the job of a broker less important and Motorcars is looking to provide enhanced value for the services they provide. I think Lambo is finally a serious contender with the Murcilago (sp), so Dallas is good choice. Are you going to FCA/LA? Again, thanks to you and everyone for the kind words, Chris | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2559 Registered: 2-2001 |
Alright, I read this whole thing now. 1. Wow, could Craig be more of an a$$hole? Seriously dude, you have a lot of problems, moreso than anyone here on FC could sort out. 2. I can see what Spoil's saying, the board's feel has changed a lot recently. It used to be more grassroots, I'm just glad it isn't an FCA-esque bragging board yet. Hey, the guys with the big money get excited about something and post just as the rest of us might do so with a relatively large purchase on our part (maybe rims, etc for example). I look at their purchases as something I would like to aspire to do someday. I'm not gonna lie and say I read them all because usually I don't, but whatever, it's all in good fun and I think they should continue to post. As a point to the big money guys, even in the Ferrari community people can come off as bragging when they're not intending to. I don't take it that way, but apparently some do so I would phrase things in a manner as to try and keep this to a minimum. 3. I can't get over how much of a POS that Craig guy is and am curious as to what kind of car he has. For some reason I don't think it's an F50. 4. I thought all this site is about is a bunch of car guys having fun. Although there are obvious financial differences here, I thought we were all equal. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 154 Registered: 1-2002 |
Chris, I agree with all your posts on this thread. Also, thanks for the links/pics. I have been at that D&D, back when I used to come to KC a lot to extract large sums from Sprint for software! Nice town! I hear Motorcars Int'l is moving to Dallas. Did you know this? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 871 Registered: 6-2001 |
Allen, who really cares where he goes as long as its away from here? | ||
| Allen Cook (Alcook62)
New member Username: Alcook62 Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2002 |
I don't begrudge anyone their moment of glory. If someone purchases a high dollar F40, or any other toy, they can "brag" and do so deservedly. They have that coming to them. Craig either get a life or forfeit the one you have and crawl back under your rock. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2002 |
-Not wanting to fan the flames, but I'd like to chime in if I may.- Spoilsport, While I can comprehend what your saying I personally have not found any of the posts regarding purchases, improvements, or expansions of an owners collection to be offensive, nor ostentatious on account of the person making the post. Had someone come on and said something to the effect of "..oh, I just made SO much money by evading taxes, or ripping off my employee's..", etc., that would have been not only offensive, but lewd, IMO. However, no one here has ever come accross as anyone less than someone who worked extremely hard for a very long time, to be in the position that they are in now. Which encourages me, daily! As I'm still in the "working very hard towards" stage of Ferrari ownership. And, how is buying a Ferrari any different than purchasing an original Rothko, or going on a 3 month vacation to France, or a "summer home" in Monaco? Depending on whom you ask, different people would find any of the above examples to be outright examples of expendable assets and income. Personally, I find it very encouraging that people are willing to share their private lives, and cars for the enjoyment of other, over the internet of all things. My personal situtaion, doesn't currently allow me to buy a Ferrari-fulltime student w/ a fulltime job-however, I've been ennamoured w/ Ferrari's for as long as I can remember, and have been wanting to drive one since the age of 5 when I got my first 288GTO model-still one of my favorites- and yes I was born in 1980. So, if anyone would be sensetive to the fact that they are on the base of the todem pole, fiscally and as a non-owner, it would be me. But, not one of the posts made here have highlighted the economic divide b/w owners and non owners, and I've never read a post by anyone that has attempted to discount someone else's enthusiams or genuine appreciation for the cars, b/c they don't own a Ferrari. Rather, every post engages my enthusiasm further, and reminds me of why I work the schedule that I do, and it reminds me of my passion for cars in general. Lastly, as Doody pointed out, a Ferrari purchase is not really a rational one, nor is motorsport in general. Most people I know spend thousands making a perfectly good car "better". These things are done out of a deep rooted passion, not bragging rights-ok, well maybe lap time bragging rights-but nearly all of the owners I've had the oppertunity to meet, have told me that they bought the cars out of admiration, not to draw attention to the size of their bill fold. And, I find that same trend here, the majority of the owners here DRIVE and TRACK their cars, and use them as they were intended, and even though I don't own a Ferrari yet, I'm - in part- able to live the experience by visiting this forum, and be inviteted to share these people's experiences, which I feel to be a privledge. So, to all the current, future, and past owners, thank you, I hope to be able to share my experience will all of you soon. Regards, Hubert | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 226 Registered: 3-2002 |
FCA-KC car show http://home.kc.rr.com/autoweather/ferrari/index.html | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 129 Registered: 11-2001 |
Here are photos from the FCA-KC event at Dean & Deluca on Sat. http://home.kc.rr.com/autoweather/ferrari/index.html | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 190 Registered: 7-2001 |
Steve, It's a pleasure to see you on here. I have read many of your posts on supraforums for the last few years. What brings you here??? I should warn you, these Ferrari guys don't like us supra dudes too much I have not converted to a single turbo yet, but have bigger HKS twins, Greddy intercooler, cam gears, full tanabe exhaust, hks boost control, vpc,hks blow off valves, Greddy wastegate...all the basic stuff. I don't think I will win, but I should be able to give him a good run once we get going. | ||
| Steve Theodore (Steve_theodore)
New member Username: Steve_theodore Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2002 |
James, Does your Supra have stock turbos? What is your current setup? On stock twins, I don't think you'll stand a chance to the F40...but it will be fun! | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 127 Registered: 11-2001 |
Well, here's my two cents worth. I suppose I'm one of the people who upset our anonymous host. I did post several threads about my 275GTB. In my defense let me just say: 1. I want the people on this board to know I have a 275. Have you ever tried to find parts for one? I had a quote for an owners & parts manual (and pouch) come in the other day at $6,000! You bet I want all the help I can get to make my car a Platinum winner. Also, I crave information from other vintage Ferrari owners. Hopefully, more will become active on FC. 2. The 275GTB was my dream Ferrari. Know what? It is amazing how much it drives like a 308. Both are light and nimble, 5 speed gearbox, independent rear suspension. It's just that the 275 did it first (and has a really cool front end). Neither of them are the fastest Ferrari, but both of them are PURE Ferrari. Was I excited when I finally got my car home. You bet. Any different than a FC member getting a 360 or 328? Nope. I saw Chris Parr yesterday at one of our FCA-KC events. While there Chris pointed out a new member of our club with a Red/Tobacco 355 Spyder. This gentleman (who will remain anonymous out of courtesy) had a license plate with three letters followed by 911. Chris explained that even though he lives in KC, he works for JP Morgan in NYC during the week as a trader. Chris went on to explain that our new member had lost about 20 friends at the World Trade Center, including his best friend. Apparently they had talked of buying Ferraris and driving around the country. After 911 our newest member bought his and, as a tribute, had a custom license plate made with his best friend's initials and 911. It is now a tribute to and a reminder to not put off until tomorrow, that which is important. Spoilsport, I hope you figure out what is important. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2556 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have to admit that despite growing up in a limited sense around them and obviously hearing about them, I knew next to nothing about Ferraris when I started looking. And knew hardly anything when I bought one (seem to have lucked out here with finding a car very close in great shape). It wasn't until after I bought it and owned it for a bit that I realized how taken back people are by owning a Ferrari. I always try to explain that there are drawbacks to and not everything is golden in the world of Ferrari, but they never seem to understand. You talk to someone about cars and they ask so you tell them you have a Ferrari and then they act like you're bragging. Am I missing something? I still don't fully understand how people look at these cars. You'll talk to a car guy for like 30min about engines, etc etc and then he'll say so what car do you have and you say Ferrari, etc and they like all of a sudden are taken back and not as happy go lucky for awhile. There was a guy like that at the autocross today with a Porsche (yes I was talking with the enemy guys) that I was tooking to for at least an hour and when the dreaded "So what do you drive" came out I feared he wouldn't talk to me anymore. Luckily he was just as nice after having a minute to kind of look me over again. I still don't get it, I got into the 308s because they were about the same as a Cobra replica and they actually had windshield wipers, a decent top, etc and were a much better all around car than the Cobras. From there this whole Fcar obsession grew. | ||
| Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Member Username: Eurocardoc Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2001 |
I personally love to hear of any new F-car purchase. Each one is a potential customer for me. As I have mentioned several times, Aany F-car in my shop is MINE, at least until I have finished and give it back. I love the cars, love to work on them, and try to give insightful opinions and help when asked. Medical bills will probably ensure that I never own one personally, but every doc I go to gets told that he has to buy one for me to get my money back! LOL We have 3 F40s in town and I have driven 2 of them. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2001 |
Greg, There will be a passenger in both cars, each with a video camera. Unfortunatly, it has been snowing for the past couple of days so the race will not happen for a least another week. I am pretty sure I am going to get spanked. I have heard that the owner of the F40 drives quite aggresivly and wont be shifting gears like a "cream puff". My plan is to use C16 race gas and crank the boost up When I lose, my friend will be there with his 1987 930 S (factory slantnose) with 750hp to put the F40 in its place. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
New member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2002 |
As I said before, the posts from guys like cmparr who own huge dollar cars and obviously have no $$ issues dont bother me. Even if they are bragging a bit. However, this guy Craig is a 1st class •••••••! And a moron to boot. Craig, if you think a Ferrari is only a "real" Ferrari if its extremely expensive, extremely fast and was personally loved or driven by Enzo.... your an idiot. I got a newsflash for you: Enzo was a jerk. He had great racing success and built awesome cars and a cool company.... but by MANY accounts of people who worked for him or had extended contact he was not exactly a nice guy. He liked to be called "A motivator of men"... I would term it more "A manipulator of men". Who cares which cars he personally preferred. He cared about winning races, not customers. I bought a 308 because they look cool and make great sounds... and specifically because they are NOT fast. I have a 911 that will be extremely fast (when I put it back together ;), I wanted a Ferrari to drive just because it would be fun. And I do intend to use it as transportation, not just a toy! I have a 1989 Isuzu trooper to drive when the weather is horrible or I am fixing the 308 but the Ferrari will be more than just a toy. As to Ferrari and image, hmmmmmmmmmmm. When my sister in law found out I was looking for a Ferrari, she asked me if I was going to get a chest hair implant, start wearing lots of gold chains with unbuttoned silk shirts and grease my hair back. Not everyone has the image of a Ferrari driver as a "Winner" in the game of life! Terry | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2001 |
People who post those types of messages about buying expensive cars and such have a place to talk about it here. I find that to be one of the great things about this board. I can't go around talking about my Ferrari or M3 to most of the people I know. They would certainly consider it bragging so I vent my enthusiasm for my cars here. I can see how you feel, but think about it from their point of view. This is truly the place to talk about such things. I enjoy hearing about some members' new toys. I get a vicarious sense of ownership with them by being a part of this community. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Junior Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 247 Registered: 3-2002 |
Give me a break, Craig. Judging by your personality, I'm guessing you weren't even born yet when Ferrari started building the 308. The mentality that judges a person's success by how much they spent on their car is a juvenile one. Not everyone that buys a Ferrari chooses the most expensive one they can afford. And for you to suggest that, and to determine who a "real" Ferrari owner is, is off base. The 308 owners I spent the day with yesterday have real passion and knowledge of the marque. What owning a Ferrari is really all about. One of the great things about this site is owners of all different models CAN talk about their Ferraris openly, since most posters already have one themselves. What concerns me most is attitudes like yours that give other Ferrari owners bad names. Fast cash, look at me, I'm better than you 'cause I got an expensive car. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 409 Registered: 6-2001 |
Spoilsport: Great idea: divide and ? There are guys (and girls) whose economics are such that they can have what they want, when they want it. There are others who can't, and a good many in between. I fall somewhere in between as do probably almost all of us on this site. Because we own Ferraris we are probably much better off than the general population (who can spend 100k or more for a car used less than 20% of the time?) To comment on someone like Chris who apparently had to work very hard for what he has is divisive and gets us nowhere. The other side of that argument is given that there are successful people here is: you get paid for what you do for others, so shouldn't we be congratuating them for the good that they have done, given the money they've made? Other than lawyers (I'm one) society doesn't pay you to be an as*hole. these are good guys and have probably done quite a few things which have helped our society. Just my thoughts. Art | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 74 Registered: 1-2002 |
Just a thought, mayby I'm a little old fashion but I don't think profanity, real or implied is necessary, instead it is a reflection on ones maturity. No need for it. I don't care what you drive, if it is a Ferrari or Ford, everything we have is a gift. Hold on loosely! I have been around long enough to see many people go from the top of the mountain to the valley and back. Just enjoy today. It may be all that you have. By the way, today is Sunday, a great day for going to church, a drive in your favorite car and I'm going to a Beach Boys Concert after a baseball game. Looks like a good day to me. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 143 Registered: 2-2002 |
When you come on this site you have to be ready to be confronted by a lot of conspicuous consumption. For some that's tough to handle. The economy is far worse than most people will admit and I know many very talented people who are in danger of losing their houses due to job loss. Maybe Tim can buy 360 Challenge cars the way most people buy Kleenex, but that should motivate you, not put you in a funk. Look at his profile. He's obviously a hustler in the best sense of the word. I love reading that Chris Parr couldn't afford a Ferrari a few years ago and now he has three. If you lose hope you lose everything. | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2001 |
MR.DOODY.I loved your post,hit the nail on the head... craig you NEED to go to a cancer ward and do a month of helpful service,or a burn center.. THEN HAVE SOMEONE DUCT-TAPE you to a WHEELCHAIR for a month..while your struggling watch the killing fields,read How to control your anxiety before it controls you.study faces of pictures of sept 11 in horror it will make you respect yourself.... | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 535 Registered: 12-2001 |
wow - quite the heavy thread for a Sunday morning. Impressed with the responses - and impressed with fellowchatters here all the time. I just remember what my Mom used to say to me - never compare yourself to others for you will become vain or bitter since there will always be someone smarter, dumber, prettier, uglier, welthier, poorer...etc etc Although I don't know many of you - yes you impress me and I am very very happy and proud of you to be able to buy your dream cars. CMPARRF40 - you have nothing to be sorry for - the people that can't honestly be happy about your achievements - aren't worth having around anyway Please don't hate me when I get MY Barchetta ( I may be 90 yrs sold - so watch out for Grandma Dynamite here) | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 273 Registered: 3-2001 |
I personally feel it isn't any of our business to critque someones achievements. Chris purchased his F40 and that is great. It is his $$$ and he can spend it anyway he wants. If you think his post will offend you then it is best to not read it. I am not sure how it upset you but it really shouldn't have IMO. We should all be proud of who we are and what we have achieved. Look at the souped up Hondas with Loud stereos they all say Look At Me!!! Not many pay attention because people don't feel threatened, jealous etc. As soon as a Ferrari is around all kinds of comments are said even if you are just driving around. Why? I don't feel that any of us should have to justify why we purchased what we wanted and earned. I never ask the women in the $40K Lexus SUV "why she needed a car like" than when my 308 cost less but I get asked this all the time. In conclusion I don't feel it is any of our business. Why would it bother you as long as you are content with what you have and who you are? Craig your comments are not very intelligent. For one thing the Mondial and the 308 have the same engine for the most part. Also Mondials can be purchased for a low cost in most cases than the same year 308. Your logic doesn't make any sense. I am not sure what you have against 308 owners but your argument is very weak. IMO if it wasn't for the 308 Ferrari wouldn't have as strong of a name in the US as it does now. Many who couldn't name any other Ferrari can spot a 308 and know that it is a Ferrari. It also is a personal choice of which Ferrari one wants to purchase. IMO no Ferrari is inferior to another. I didn't purchase a TR or 348 because that is not what I wanted. The 308 is still my favorite. It always will be. I like them so much I have 2 of them. (not bragging just trying to give some background and reinforce my point) I also like the Lotus Esprit. My point is that I could have purchased a TR or 348 etc. but am happier with these 3 cars. This is what I wanted to spend my money on. James are you going to film the race? If so I would like a copy of it. Thanks. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1307 Registered: 2-2001 |
For the most part everyone is seperated into classes and usually income is the divider, whether we admit it or not. People want the name recognition of a Brand name item that associates it with the wealth class that it is associated with. A Lexus was created because a certain class person will not buy a Toyota. Same with Acura/Honda, and Infinity/Nissan. The 308s that most of us own are the "hand me downs" of the people who used to own them who now own the latest trendy toy. We all have some degree of arrogence that is human nature that may come off as bragging to someone else who may take offense to it. Lets face it, every time we drive out the garage door in a Ferrari we are bragging, without saying a word. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Junior Member Username: Doody Post Number: 173 Registered: 11-2001 |
Spoilsport. I appreciate that you feel this way, but this really might not be the place for you to hang out if you feel that strongly about this. There is NO rational justification for the purchase of ANY Ferrari regardless of its age, condition, and price. These are expensive cars, relatively, by every possible metric, whether you're buying a $20K beat-to-hell 308 or you're on the list for a $400K F140/F60/Rossa Corsa (whatever they're gonna call it). They are stupid transportation for the money. They aren't the best performing cars for the money. They aren't the best track cars for the money. And let's not get into the operating costs! I find the flow of information here tremendously great. As any community grows (which this one continues to do in record numbers every month as per Rob's regular email updates), the signal-to-noise ratio for any given member is going to become less optimal. The board is hardly devoid of helpful people and helpful advice. Purchasing a Ferrari is a pure disposable-income, 99%-emotional, conspicuous-consumption exercise. They are toys. I jokingly refer to it as the "more money than brains" club, and I'm happy to be a member. As such, this board is populated with a whole lot of people with a whole lot of disposable income. Wealth happens. Most of the folks here with money earned it the hard way and it's theirs to spend how they please. You're not "off-base", but if you are uncomfortable with all this, you're going to have a problem here IMO. Doody. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 213 Registered: 2-2002 |
Right on Cmparr, don't feel the need to defend yourself mate... Spoilsport - I TOTALLY disagree with you. You're talking nonsense. We're talking about Ferrari's here - they ARE expensive. If someone has the means to buy a different one every day then good luck to him. If he's a nice guy about it, I'll respect him. If not, then he/she can piss off. 99% of the Guys on this board are irretrievable enthusiasts - they act like it too. If one guys says 'I just bought a 250GTO today' I take the sentence as it stands.... I have no inferiority complex - maybe thats why you interpet their comments as bragging. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 212 Registered: 4-2002 |
craig my advice to you... up your zoloft medication to 200 mg a day, get out of living at mommys and daddys house, and find a 40 hour /week job, this way you can buy yourself an education and then make sense here when you speak............. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 188 Registered: 7-2001 |
So Craig..... What kind of car do you drive??? As a non-Ferrari owner, and somebody who is never likely to own a Ferrari (I prefer fast, forced induction cars like supras and 911 turbos) I enjoy reading all the little tidbits of information presented on this site. No matter how many magazine articles you read, you are going to get the same boring information from the journalists, such as "the stiff clutch is complimented by an even stiffer gear shift" or "the sound of the engine reminds you of you mothers homemade apple pie". I like hearing about the real joys/heartaches of owning these cars. I am going to be racing the local F40 when the snow clears in the next week (the race is all setup) and I will be sure to bug him about the short life-span of his tires. | ||
| michelangelo pinto (Michelangelonyc)
New member Username: Michelangelonyc Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2002 |
this thread is garbage ..enough | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2001 |
I think what is more disturbing is when some people insult other peoples cars. I like to read about people with nicer cars than mine...it doesn't bother me if they have worked hard to earn it or have inherited the money. After all we hope to leave our money and cars for our children to enjoy dont we?!! I must admit it is in poor taste when other lesser celebrated Ferrari's are knocked. They are all Ferrari's and someone has worked damn hard to own them. So lets show the cars and their owners some respect. I know that so far I have enjoyed my Fcar more than any other car I have owned. Most people I have met, have complimented the car (even in public carparks) and no one has passed any negative comments. So why should we on Ferrarichat (mostly Ferrai owners and/or enthusiasts) be derogative about other owners or their cars. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 116 Registered: 2-2001 |
So, Spoiler, you've owned Ferraris for 15 years and currently own a TR in addition to two corporations? You wouldn't be, by chance, bragging, would you? | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
New member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2002 |
Why are we even having this conversation? The last time I checked this /was/ Ferrari Chat... And the 360, F40 and 275 ARE Ferraris.... Everyone who owns these cars should keep bragging and talking about them because you people have worked your asses off to get them!! PS. Great motivation to experience these machines one great day. RMK. | ||
| Don't want to be a (Spoilsport)
New member Username: Spoilsport Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2002 |
Craig, you're just the kind of troll that I was afraid might crawl out from under a bridge when I posted something from my heart. If you had even bothered to read my posts, you would see that I've owned Ferraris for 15 years and I currently have a Testarossa - so there goes theory #1. I own and run 2 separate corporations: so Theory #2 gets shot down in flames. Since you (Craig) seemed to have missed the point - let me refresh it for you: in my opinion, the value of this forum is to share the excitement and passion for Ferraris of all types and eras with all without acting bragadocious (I hope that's a word), arrogant, or pretentious. Cmparrf40, my tirade was not directly aimed at you, although some of your posts do read that way. I'm sure you're a good guy (and so am I!) - if all of your posts read like the one timed 8:26PM PDT, I wouldn't have posted a thing. I didn't mean to offend anyone or impugn anyones honor - maybe it's just been a long week and I'm being sensitive - lets just all enjoy our toys and share them (and the passion)with as many as we can | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 445 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'm going to shut down my computer and go in my room and have a good cry because someone named "craig" doesn't think my 308 is a REAL Ferrari. Yeah right. Goodnight all | ||
| Craig Mako (Mako88)
New member Username: Mako88 Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2002 |
LOL, I love this controversy stuff! You 308 owners are the best though. You really believe you're part of the legendary Ferrari racing history and family. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the matter, I guess, and that includes me. Let's let it sit at that. I do believe that the Spoilsport guy wrote his note for SURE because he's never going to own anything more than Ferrari's "Fiero", and he's bitter as hell when people talk about the upper eschelon F-cars. Finally, anyone concerned about my email or its domain need not be, it's part of a large internet porn company my roomate works for as a graphics design artist. Like his stuff? I sure do Seriously though, you may think I'm an ••••••• or whatever, but my advice to anyone on these boards is to NEVER give your actual email to any message board or internet e-commerce company. Privacy is a real problem these days and identity theft if growing like mad. Peace out to all! | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
Member Username: Mtabije Post Number: 261 Registered: 10-2001 |
Everytime I close a sale, it's like the pebble in that parable with the bird. A bird was very thirsty and needed a drink of water. He found a nearly empty bottle of water but his beak could not reach the bottom of the bottle to quench his thirst. Smartly and with some patience, he dropped a pebble in the bottle. With each pebble, it raised the water level higher and higher until he was able to quench his thirst. I really enjoy reading all of your posts. I don't consider it bragging at all. I acutally timed myself today while I was working. I think of a Ferrari every two and a half minutes, give or take a few seconds. So when I close a deal, or have a tough sell with some cheap ass kicking the tires wishy washy customer, I think to myself "Close this sale you m#$%^* F'er, and you'll be putting another pebble to quench your thirst!!!" This gets me so excited. This thinking has put me as one of the top sales people for the month at 221% over quoata. Motivation motivation motivation and then one day I can be like one those a-holes who can brag on this forum!!!! haha! | ||
| Chris Young (Bimmerboy)
New member Username: Bimmerboy Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2001 |
Reading the posts about the F-40s and the 360 challenge and so on don't bother me at all. Personally, I am still pretty young, and seeing people work to be able to get such nice things gives me alot to aspire to. I guess it all just depends on your outlook of it, if seeing other people's success upsets you then you must have some doubt of yourself that you might ever be able to achieve such a thing. | ||
| Dane Sander (Dane_sander)
New member Username: Dane_sander Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2002 |
Folks, I'm glad Craig is receiving the type of attention he deserves. If anyone here thinks that he's some real success story, take a look at his e-mail profile, type in the internet address that can be derived from it and discover the real caliber of this individual. Craig, do us all a favor and slither elsewhere. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 864 Registered: 6-2001 |
Craig, you are a real ••••. I personally love the 308. It may not be the fastest, but it has the sound, and it handles and brakes like a race car (which with its tube frame it practicaly is). I expect to own a 308 as my first Fcar because i can do work on it myslef and i love the way they look. You have some balls posting that •••• here because most people on this board are 308 owners. Maybe youve won the game of life, but as of now i think you are a complete schmuck. Im sorry in advance that everyone else had to read that, this post has no place on this board either. | ||
| Dane Sander (Dane_sander)
New member Username: Dane_sander Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2002 |
Craig, Is your last post a long line of crap or should I take your comments about the 308's seriously? Please, please tell me you're not serious and only impersonating a true jack@$$ that has no place in this community. Dane Sander | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1836 Registered: 12-2000 |
One thing I'm happily surprised at is how civilised this thread is (so far). Please keep it up. Two months ago I was unemployed and collecting government cheques... Still kept the Ferrari... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 860 Registered: 6-2001 |
spoil, i find them funny. The post about just buying a 360 challenge was funny. I dont knonw who u are, but if uve been here a while then you will realize that its not meant to offend anyone. Also, of course some people with ferraris might be slightly arrogant. Im probably the poorest person here, with a personal income of like $3k a year, im 17 and i only work summers. I dont find any of these posts offensive. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2690 Registered: 2-2001 |
Greg, I agree with you. His comments are knocking the older more inexpensive Ferraris. That is not what this site is about. It's about those who own any Ferrari and wish to express themselves here. Only 5 posts should tell you something. | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 225 Registered: 3-2002 |
Greg, I think Craig is attempting to use sarcasm to try to inject some humor here and difuse this thread. I recognise that sarcasm, as I have used it very unsuccessfully on here, and paid the price. Perhaps it sounds funnier if you read it out loud? This is good example of good intentions getting you in trouble... and isn't that what this thread is all about? | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 357 Registered: 10-2001 |
On the other hand, it's Craig's comments that we really don't need on this board... | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 235 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 224 Registered: 3-2002 |
Spoilsport, You are only off base as to the intention of my postings. I wake up everyday and pinch myself, you would have to understand where I came from financially to understand. I have ALWAYS wanted a F40, I love to share the car with anyone and EVERYONE who is interested. Your only mistake was thinking I was trying to impress you or others on this sight, in the big Ferrari scheme of things I understand I am pretty low on the totem pole. If your impression was that I was bragging, that is your right, but that was not my intent... I don't believe Tim's intentions are any different from mine. You have a TR? nice car... I couldn't afford one 4 years ago... get my point? Chris | ||
| Craig Mako (Mako88)
New member Username: Mako88 Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2002 |
I love the smugness. Hey let's face it, if you own a late model Ferrari you've WON at the game life! With the exception of the slow-ass 308 (which pretty much anyone can own) the truth is that Ferrari owners are the alpha dogs in the automotive food chain. For all the TR owners, the 348/355/360 owners, the 288 GTO owners, the F40/F50 owners, and of course the 550/575/Barchetta owners, the game is over. They won, period. Maybe even the Mondial owners have won, but like the 308, I wouldn't wish that slow sloppy dog on my worst enemy. Regardless, the guy that posted this note smells like a bitter I'm-never-going-to-own-a-REAL-Ferrari 308 owner, sweatin the $35K that he probably paid for it, meanwhile there are absolute PIMPS on this board dropping loose change on kick-ass 360 Challenge cars. LOL, get over it dude. I'm sorry your Burger King manager's posistion doesn't pay enough to let you roll in a real Ferrari (one that Enzo didn't admit to detesting in multiple biographies) but that's not the board's fault is it? Let's lighten up people. And you PIMPS, please keep the stories of your new F40s and other amazing Ferrari's comming. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
New member Username: Tillman Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2001 |
Spoil, I think that you're taking the posts in a manner that they're not intended. Where else _would_ one talk about purchasing a new Ferrari? I'm not an owner yet, and my chosen career path is such that I'll never be buying a truly exotic Ferrari such as an F40 or FX. However, I'm sure that when I get my 308 I'll be telling the board here, and I don't understand why you feel that's OK for one type/level of car and not for another. I don't think there's any contest here, just enthusiasts. There's people here who can afford cars that cost more than my _neighborhood_, but that doesn't make their purchases "extravagent", nor should it diminish the enjoyment that you get from your Ferrari. More power to them for their toys, and more power to you for already accomplishing more than most people think is possible. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 356 Registered: 10-2001 |
Maybe its fate...look at my last post number...that 355 is right around the corner, I can smell it. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 355 Registered: 10-2001 |
I like Chris started with a 308. While I've only had mine for 8 months, I'm already looking towards the upgraded toy...a 355. I enjoy hearing about each individuals accomplishments and toys. I learn a lot and enjoy a lot. When I bought my new house a month ago and was thinking of garage ideas and was thankful that Chris wanted to share pics of his collection and garage. Hearing stories of Tim walking into the local F-car dealership and buying a new toy gives me inspiration that with hard work, I too will be able to expand my collection. | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 223 Registered: 3-2002 |
Terry, you will probably still hate me afterward, but you find me at any Ferrari event and a F40 ride is yours! Chris | ||
| Don't want to be a (Spoilsport)
New member Username: Spoilsport Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
This is exactly the reaction I was afraid that I would get - apparently I'm really off-base. This was not aimed at anyone in particular (even those of you with F40s), but I'm sorry - quite a few of the posts I described come across (to me anyway) as bragging - and that wasn't what I remember when I first came across this site over a year and a half ago. For those who think this is just a form of p*nis envy, I've owned Ferraris for 15 years and my current one is a Testarossa. For those who are offended by my anonymitry(sp), e-mail me at the address listed in my profile and I will happily identify myself - I am not ashamed, however I do fear the loss of information that allows me to be a hands-on enthusiast. Thank you all for tolerating my tirade. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
New member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2002 |
heheheh certainly keep posting! I love to read about cool cars I cannot afford yet. I still pretty much hate your guts ;) but perhaps would change my mind if allowed a brief test drive of the F40.... Terry | ||
| Rob W. (Wolfturbo)
New member Username: Wolfturbo Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2001 |
Cmparr~ Keep posting Dude. It's guys like you that keep me dreaming about the next toy. I'm sure that many on this board will agree that the process of dreaming about a car, working one's a** off to afford it and then spending the time & effort to find EXACTLY the right one is more fun than actually owning the car. I welcome it any time anybody on this board wants to do a little victory dance and spike the ball because they bought something cool. And by the way, when I meet you at the track some day, I will take you up on your gracious offer of a ride in your F40. | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 222 Registered: 3-2002 |
Terry, thinks for the comments, you just described my daily driver. lol Chris | ||
| Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Junior Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 221 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ok, You know I can see your point here, this is obviously directed towards me and other F40, 360, 275 etc. owners. I was a 308 owner 5 years ago, a 348 owner 4 years ago, a 355 owner 3 years ago... see a trend? I have worked my ass off to satisfy my passion, nobody gave me anything. What makes you think you worked harder for your car than I did mine? When I started with Ferrari I felt inferior when I went to events with my 308 at first. What I learned over time that true Ferrari lovers don't care what you drive, as long as you drive your car and love everything Ferrari. I understand I am lucky for what I have, I never thought I would have a F40 or a 355 for that matter. I also understand that not everyone will be as fortunate as I have been. If I can share my experiences with a car so loved by Ferrari fans and let them learn about these cars and enjoy them with me, I feel fortunate. I share my cars with friends and never miss an opportunity to give a new friend a ride in any of my Ferrari's. I have even been known to let a few people drive my cars, including my F40. If I ever come off as boastful, let me know. I will stop posting. But at this point, I love to hear about what my friends are doing with 308's TR's 328's etc. I just assumed that everyone enjoyed hearing about F40's. The fact that someone can go out and buy a 360 Challege car is great, why is that bad? I will never own a F50, but I would love to hear about what it is like to own one. I will never own a 250TR, but I would like to hear how it drives. I get excited when someone does well in life, whether it is a 308GT4 or a 575M, I want to hear from that owner, I learned that lesson 6 years ago with my 308... Sorry Spoilsport, you really missed the point. I understand why you are hiding... | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 234 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rich people and poor people buy Ferraris in different ways. And then you have the majority in the middle. I look at it as a chance to study 3 unique approaches. You can learn by watching more then your own kind. All information is valuable from a logical point of view. Don't let emotions limit your observation of the wider world. There will always be someone richer, taller, smarter, faster� so relax. I wish more of the super-rich would come to our site. I guess they are very busy with work or having fun. When I found F-chat a year ago�I remember a list of everyone and what cars they owned,� it seemed to lack many of the higher priced cars. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
New member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2002 |
As someone who is definitely on the "poor" side of things... particularly when compared to much of this crowd, I have not seen any posts that bothered me. I have seen the posts your talking about. My feelings toward those posting: I pretty much hate their guts and hope that in the afterlife they are forced to drive rusted out diesel VW rabbits, no A/C or radio. But I'll still read their posts and be civil ;) Terry | ||
| Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member Username: Hmott3 Post Number: 115 Registered: 12-2001 |
I don't yet have a Ferrari, but I'm young and still at the start of my career, I can wait it will happen. I love hearing from both the people with f40's and very high-end cars, as well as people who wonder if they should get a gt4 or save for a 308. I hope to be in BOTH these people�s shoes at some point in my life. I don't think its bragging or ego trips; I know when I purchase something exciting for me I like to share, should they feel like they can't share because some people here couldn't also make the same purchase? I love that they can afford the things they can, I'm sure they work very hard for the means to purchase them All of the guys with the money to buy these 150k+ toys on a whim at one point also had to pull there belts to save for a first exotic car, they are just sharing there excitement. I wish for everyone here to work hard enough, maybe get a little lucky, and end up in a financial place to be able to buy whatever it is the like, whenever they like. I don't think you should have to feel ashamed when you work hard and then have the means to purchase what you like. Everyone on this board has more money then someone else they don't feel ashamed. Everyone on this board also has less money then someone else out there in this big world. Congrats to all, enjoy what you have, and never be ashamed for earning the money you have (unless you stole it from the dead like the Texas guy! lol) Please you guys out there who have worked hard for the things you buy remember some of us are happy for you and love reading your posts! If its technical assistance you are here for isn�t the parts and service section for that? Also I'm wondering why you just didn't use names, everyone here knows there are only two people on this board with f40's. Why is it you also felt a need to hide behind a new name? I'm sure some people won't agree with me, but I'm not hiding behind a new name to post this. Proudly, Harlan Mott | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2683 Registered: 2-2001 |
Spoilsport, More challenging posts have been given here then this one you posted. So why don't you identify yourself and then maybe others will feel like commenting to someone they can relate to. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 265 Registered: 12-2001 |
Hmmm, let's see...Ferrari owners having a smug attitude about conspicuous expenditures. I honestly don't see it. Some people on this board may be better off than me, but i don't get the sense that when they post, it is purely for the purpose of bragging. Maybe you are reading something into these posts because, despite your achievements and hard work, there are others out there who seem to have it easier and better. I can't contribute much technical knowledge, but i do contribute my actual experience based on having owned a bunch of these cars. (like you, i am not from the privileged class, have to work for it, etc.). I don't think somebody who has the jack to walk in and buy whatever strikes their fancy (and is excited to talk about it) is smug; they are probably just as excited as you were, when you bought yours. Do you post to this board, or just to the technical board? Frankly, your statement that you wanted to post anonymously, because you are afraid of a backlash strikes me as unfair; if there are "people" deserving of your criticism here, surely you know who they are; aren't they entitled to know who you are? | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 115 Registered: 2-2001 |
I don't think you're off-base, Spoilsport. Those are your feelings. Mine are that I welcome the sorts of posts that you're referencing. Granted, some of the notes that you speak of may lack a bit of finesse in terms of delivery, but they don't seem ill-intended. And as much as I enjoy the 308.com aspects of the site, I also like to hear about some of the other options in F-car land. If I come across a post/thread that isn't relevant to me, one that is is only a click away. No big. Oh, and now that I've unloaded my Bugatti Royale (nice car but simply too big), I have room for both my 250 GTO and SWB. Although when my TDF comes out of resto, the Supra may have to go out to the driveway. Oh well. Maybe there'll be room left for my Schwinn Challenge series when it's finally delivered. Been on the list for five years. Receipt in my sock drawer next to my L. Chinetti signed Odor Eaters. | ||
| Don't want to be a (Spoilsport)
New member Username: Spoilsport Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2002 |
Honestly, I rely on this board for technical assistance and I was afraid that it could disappear if my comments weren't accepted in the spirit they were offered. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 346 Registered: 2-2001 |
Please.... why a new name? Ernesto | ||
| Don't want to be a (Spoilsport)
New member Username: Spoilsport Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've noticed a trend with some of the posts over the last month or so that I personally find irritating and I just want to see if I'm the only one. It seems that there are suddenly a lot of "gee I didn't have anything better to do today, so I bought a 360" or "it's such a dilemna which of my 5 purpose built race cars to take to the track" or "you know, tires don't last very long when I'm tracking my F-40" posts. I know this is going to sound like sour grapes, but that is not why I bring this up. I have my Ferrari - and I worked damn hard to get it and maintain it - and that seemed to be the attitude of most of the people around here. Posters were more intent on sharing information about the cars and encouraging those that haven't been able to take that first step yet. We have to face the fact that as a group, this is probably one of the most affluent message board communities around, but until recently I never felt like there was a "contest" to see who could out-do each other buying extravagent $150,000+ toys and acting like it's not a big deal. I'm happy for those of you that can do that, but the reality is that even in the rarified air of this message board, it just comes across to me as bragging. This being said, I'm not going to go away but I am disappointed in the direction the General Board has taken. I hope this is taken in the spirit that it was meant - I do expect a certain amount of flaming, but hopefully the will be some constructive discussion. ...and if I'm completely off-base, I will accept that as well.... |