| Author | Message | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 92 Registered: 8-2001 |
Nunja, You don't mention a deposit in your post. Had you offered to put down a deposit and had they accepted it, it would have been a whole different ball game. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2001 |
Two years ago I called my closest dealer and spoke with a salesman who put me on the list for a 360 coupe. He took down all of the details (colors, options, trans., etc.). He said I'd be on the list and that they'd call me a month or two from delivery to confirm everything and take my deposit. I checked back 6 months later. The salesman was gone and I wasn't on the list. I went through the process again with another guy who was the sales manager. I then checked back another 6 months later and he was now gone and again my name wasn't on the list. At that point the new manager tried to sell me a used car at an elevated price. It became clear that you need to lock these bastards down into a signed contract to deliver a car under the agreed upon conditions and sue them immediately if they deviate from it in any way. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 143 Registered: 2-2001 |
Not sure Barchetta prices have dipped too much, Stephen. At least asking prices are still just a bit shy of double-MSRP for a US car from what I see in FML. Car is pretty much the Daytona Spyder of today and fairly limited in terms of number built and so would doubt it will see much depreciation. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 293 Registered: 12-2001 |
GROUP: Does this deserve a response? I didn't think so either. | ||
| Lucky Pierre (Pierre)
New member Username: Pierre Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2002 |
Is this a joke? Whart got a BRAND NEW BARCHETTA and he is COMPLAINING? The Barchetta list was what, 2-5 cars per dealer? YOU SPOILED LITTLE CHILD! You people are NUTS! Good Bye! | ||
| Marv B (Mdb69)
New member Username: Mdb69 Post Number: 50 Registered: 4-2002 |
A Ferrari dealer wouldn't give a celebrity special treatment now would they?  Really, if you have the clout, you can get to the top of any "list" that they have. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 187 Registered: 2-2002 |
I visited my local dealer this week. There was a brand new, red and tan 360 Spider in the showroom. It's waiting to be delivered to a 'local celebrity' owner rumored to be a Detroit Red Wing. If the rumor is true, either the list is a farce or the lucky Russian just happened to order in time to take delivery just as the Stanley Cup Playoffs are winding down. A Red Wing win and a new Ferrari make for pretty good publicity huh? of course, they haven't won yet, have they? I wonder if the red color is representative of the Red Wings, his nationality or Ferrari. BTW, I took my nine year old son to the dealership and they treated him like a king. He was decked out in his Ferrari hat and shirt and he walked out with his arms full of stickers and souvenirs. He's now a Tifosi for life. They couldn't have been kinder. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2001 |
William, I think the Barchetta is too beautiful to worry about being practical. The price drop is probably just a reflection of the speculators getting out of the Barchetta market. They're probably all busy trying to get in line for 575's | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 292 Registered: 12-2001 |
I am the first owner of my car. As to my dealer's problems, they are his problem, not mine; if he can't make me happy i take my business elsewhere. My point is simply that the list is a joke, even loyal customers don't mean much (as you point out, Lucky) and that most dealers have no more power than most customers when it comes to dealing with the factory. It is true that if i bought as many porsches or whatever as i have ferraris in the last five years, i might get preferences others don't get. The barchetta was itself something of a coup at the time i was placed on that "list." As to user-friendliness, that's certainly a problem for anyone who drives the car, since the lack of a top is problematic. However, most of the people i run into with these types of cars treat them as fair weather vehicles and don't put enough miles on the cars to make the lack of top a real inconvenience. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2001 |
There are quite a few 550 Barchettas for sale now, at significantly less money than a year ago. Why do you suppose that is? 360 Spyders have fallen $100K, but there are alot more of them on the used (if you can call cars 1-2 yrs old with a few hundred to few thousand miles used) market. Do you think people find the Barchetta a little to non-user friendly? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1420 Registered: 2-2001 |
There are plenty of them for sale in the new Dupont Registry. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 142 Registered: 2-2001 |
True, Bill. Though wm didn't state the model he's currently on a list for, that fact that he was able to acquire a Barchetta must be considered somewhat of an accomplishment in its own right. As a Barchetta is (was?), more than likely, not a car a "customer off the street" would be able to purchase (for anything close to sticker, that is). Still, might make decent long-term sense for dealer (and factory) to take care of such loyal customers. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Junior Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 185 Registered: 2-2002 |
I think wmhart's comments are significant. Here's a guy who bought a very rare Barchetta from a dealer with whom he's done significant business and he's still pissed. If he gets the runaround what must the average buying experience be like? | ||
| Lucky Pierre (Pierre)
New member Username: Pierre Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2002 |
I am not certain that I understand your point whart. There is enourmous pressure to deliver cars that the factory or FNA will not make available by cutting allocations and building cars on there own schedule. And building more cars would make Ferrari more Porsche and less Ferrari. But with each dealer recieving 4 times the allocation in orders it's simple math. And in any business, people who support you on a regular basis get some preference on build slots. Unless the customer has been difficult. Otherwise, it makes no sense. Unless a dealer suffers from crainial rectal inversion. Besides, Ferrari is Ferrari. I think that Enzo or Luigi Chinetti or any old time dealer would say: "If you not happy, do not buy the Ferrari. A Ferrari is not for you." Such arrogance is Ferrari's stock and trade. Who else but Enzo would keep The Sha of Iran (a regular and good customer) waiting outside of his office for 1 hour with the explaination that "Here Ferrari is King". Having as many cars as you have had I am certain that you know this already. My dealer has always taken good care of me and I have also bought 6 cars over the past 23 years. I am sorry that your dealer seems to be in the crainial class. Is it a factory store? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 289 Registered: 12-2001 |
Yeah, well, Lucky, may be you are as good as your name, 'cause in real life, the cars are not necessarily delivered in the order names are taken on the dealer's "list>" At the same time, the dealers are feeling an enormous amount of pressure because they are unable to meet their commitments, no matter how much "buffer" they attempt to give themselves. I've bought six ferraris in the past 41/2 years, all thru the same dealer, have had my "name" onthe "list" for a long time, and i have yet to see "my" car. I will not reveal the nature of the discussion i most recently had with "my" dealer concerning this, since i have frankly gotten fed up with the bullshit. This is true, even though i am a "good" customer. I am supposed to be having lunch with S.Robinson later this month; we'll see what happens. | ||
| Lucky Pierre (Pierre)
New member Username: Pierre Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
Oh, and by the way, many Ferrari dealers only see 10-15 Modenas a year. Should they go to good regular customers first or to guys who test ride every saturday and buy elswhere? The regular customers certainly feel that they should get preference and I am sure have no trouble telling their dealer just that. | ||
| Lucky Pierre (Pierre)
New member Username: Pierre Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2002 |
The production figures were released by the factory and published in this months Ferrari Owners Club publication.As for 6 speeds, it may be that cars ordered after may will only be F-1. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Junior Member Username: Doody Post Number: 196 Registered: 11-2001 |
lucky - where are you getting these specific statistics? i'm not questioning their veracity - just curious as to where to find such stuff, as i've looked previously for all sorts of 355 stats. doody. | ||
| Ray (F3606m)
New member Username: F3606m Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2002 |
I am on the list for a 360 Coupe and my car is supposed to go into production anyday. My dealership never said anything about no more 6-speeds becuase my car is supposed to be a 6-Speed. | ||
| Lucky Pierre (Pierre)
New member Username: Pierre Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2002 |
I don't understand the uproar. Last year ('01) Ferrari built 4,289 cars TOTAL. Of that 1,185 cars came to 27 dearlers in the U.S.A. That includes five different models, not just Modena Spyders. U.S. dealers saw there allocations cut this year as the factory prepares to open a new store in Vegas. In May, dearlers were informed that there would be no more hand shift cars built this year! When build slots open, the factory tells dealers what they can order: "you have two slots open. You can only order F-1 coupes...". Dealers are currently delivering cars that were "listed" 36 months ago. If you are a good customer who has been buying cars for some time, you might have to wait "only" 3 yrs. Ofcourse, this may vary depending on the dealer and which build slots are available when. | ||
| Anthony (Ciccio)
New member Username: Ciccio Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2001 |
what I am trying to find out is how long those out there were told they would have to wait and how long they actually waited !!! By the way I am Sicilian by descent, I usually do the boning, never get boned !!! | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 276 Registered: 12-2001 |
Who is the dealer? The lists are a figment of the dealer's imagination. Obviously, they are taking care of regular customers and boning you, because you don't have a relationship with them. | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 396 Registered: 5-2001 |
Who knows what shadows lurks in the heart of man?- The car dealer dooooz! | ||
| Mark Freeman (Mrpc12)
New member Username: Mrpc12 Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2001 |
Sounds to me like the dealer is putting other customers ahead of you when they can make more profit on them via trade-ins. But maybe I'm mistaken. A car dealer would never do something like that. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 689 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hmmm...Did you special order anything? If you want, say, match the paint with your shoes or something off the options list, it will take more time. | ||
| Anthony (Ciccio)
New member Username: Ciccio Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2001 |
Just wanted to know how many of you out there have ordered a 360 spyder and how long you have been waiting up until now. How long did your dealer tell you the wait was. I ordered mine about 18 months ago or more, and was told it would come around May 2002, now it's March 2003. People who have ordered after me are already receiving there new cars. They all have one thing in common, they are trading in their 360 coupes or have purchased new cars from their dealer. Dealers are making money on the trade-ins and on the new sales. Though I own 2 F-Cars I have never purchased one new from a dealer, always private, would this have anything do to with the wait time. |