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Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 215
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 10:53 pm: | |
Brian, what I meant on every other car that don't have a glass over the engine bay of course you can put your hands on the glass of a back window used for viewing out that is. You can tint all your windows at 50% and get close to a 70% heat reduction which is really excellent and won't hinder visibility. I cannot say if there is a film that would work on the glass hatch of a 360 since I've not had the opportunity to try this but there can always be the first. Try putting louvers over the glass! J/K! he he... You wouldn't have much to lose putting some good film for the glass back, it will either stand the heat or distort. If I had a 360 I would try it out just for curiosity. The film is V-Cool. So find a dealer closest to you who handles that film. 35% or 50% throughout the car looks classy and better than clear glass with really good benefits. Notice how you see cars in commercials that ALL the windows are tinted dark, although too dark it was done like that so you would see the body of the car and not be distracted of the interior so the car would look better. Okeedokee... |
Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member
Username: Kennedy
Post Number: 93
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 9:02 am: | |
Thanks for the answers, Modman... but I am still unclear on one thing...
I have 50% on my M3, so I am familiar. Yes, you can see inside just fine... but it changes the coloration of the glass non-trivially. My issue is: I don't think it will look right to have the side glass colored significantly different than the back glass.
So, either I tint the back glass the same, OR I go with a near-clear tint on just the side windows. If I do the latter, I know I can get the UV blocked, but how much of the heat can I get blocked?
I am not sure I understood your answer on the former. Can I tint the back window? Is there a film that will hold up to the humid and extremely hot conditions inside the engine bay. (And no, you can't comfortably leave your hand on the back glass after a session on the track.) It sounds like your answer is there is no film that can handle that. In which case, I'll want to find what near-clear film blocks the most heat.
Thanks.
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Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 212
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 1:36 pm: | |
Ok Brian, I will answer your questions. There is only one company and only ONE product that is legal in all 50 states and it is called UV shield, although it may not block as much heat as some darker films it does block the harmfull rays. You probably are not familiar of the %'s of films and what they look like on certain cars from the sounds of your questions. 50% throughout is similar to what Lexus uses on their sedans and it's just a touch of shade and it's clearly visible to see inside. It is illegal to tint your whole windshield, and your windshield has a laminate between the glass since it is a safety glass it has some UV filtering although no comparison to UV shield. Automotive film was designed for use in the interior and not exterior although underneath the glass in the engine bay the film will experience heat and moisture beyond any films handling capabilities although you got a good point for the 360's needs. On a hot sunny day the glass won't get near 200 degrees anyway, if you can hold your hands on the glass without scorching your hands then it's safe to say 200 degree film won't be necessarily be made. I haven't found any film to handle extreme heat close under a heat lamp although it is not realistic that a film will encounter that much heat, if it did we would all die on this planet. But there all several qualities of film, some not worth putting on very few are worth putting on for sure. All of my cars are tinted throughout and for me is mandatory kinda like driving at night without headlights, you need them. I've done several tests with cars with and without film and seen what happens to the interior. Of course if your car never sees the outside of the garage or you live where you don't get much heat and sun then you may not consider but where I live, it is almost mandatory. But you make the decision, protection or absolutely none. I hope this answers your questions.. |
wm hart (Whart)
Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 283
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:36 pm: | |
Although i personally never thought i would like any form of "tint," the idea of a clear uv filter is appealing; on the aesthetic side, the guy driving the old Lambo 2+2(400 gt, i think) in the forza mille a few years ago had a green car with a white interior and these aquamarine colored windows. May sound yukkie, but the thing was absolutely gorgeous, especially how the light played off the windows on the interior. |
magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 2732
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 8:45 pm: | |
I'm beginning to think tinting is necessary for the older 308s. The vents are 58* with the A/C on and the glass area is so great that the heat just knocks off a great deal of the cooling in the cockpit. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 8:26 pm: | |
My 308 has blacked out windows, it is a gtbi. I think it makes the car look sleeker. And I really don't care if anybody can see me, it just makes them look harder............... |
Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member
Username: Kennedy
Post Number: 91
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 7:40 pm: | |
> There is such a film that is near clear at 88% and blocks 99.9% UV
How much heat does that block? Is it suitable for the windshield? Or should nothing be put on the windshield?
> another company makes a 50% film that blocks almost 70% in heat
70% heat sounds great; but 50% is darker than my ideal.
> Oh Brian, you won't need a 200 degree film for your car
Why do you say that? If I put it on the engine compartment glass... the coldest thing in the engine is 200 degrees... other stuff is way hotter... I am sure the film will be experiencing 200-degrees plus. So, are you saying any film will hold up to that??
Thanks for the info,
Brian
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Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member
Username: Jimpo1
Post Number: 414
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 1:16 pm: | |
When I was shopping for my car I came a across a Euro 308 that had ALL the windows tinted. Including the windshield. It was dark, limo tint. I don't know how the guy drove it. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 206
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 1:33 am: | |
Yes Brian, this is Tint Guru aka Modman. There is such a film that is near clear at 88% and blocks 99.9% UV but as far as heat reduction goes another company makes a 50% film that blocks almost 70% in heat. You have to decide what's more important for you, there isn't a perfect film made to this day due to patents limited to film makers. There is bad and there is good in ALL film products, you just have to see what's more suitable for you. To educate you more better, you would need to see a full blown demo which you won't be able to see in any tint training school or any shop I know of from my knowledge. The best thing for you if you are seriously thinking of getting your car tinted properly and get educated on it is to call me and ask for me personally @ 916-728-4867. If it is too far to drive down and see a demonstration of comparisons of most known manufacturer film products then you can call me. Oh Brian, you won't need a 200 degree film for your car although we use an 1100 degree heat gun to form the film. Of course in certain areas of US climate, higher heat and sunlight will eventually deteriorate the film regardless of lifetime guarantee. Factory tinted glass is either a baked on hardcoat laminate or smoked which still can get damaged permanently unlike film which can be replaced and also film is available in a privacy type. Whew... I hope this answers most of the common questions although not all them. |
Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member
Username: Kennedy
Post Number: 85
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 8:54 am: | |
Tint gurus and Texans... well, I have a long-standing question...
I am a Texan... and all of my cars have tinted windows *except* my 360. Why not my 360? Well, it didn't seem right/wise to tint the back (engine) window... and it would look funny to tint the side windows, but not the back window.
So, tint guru:
1) Is there an near-clear film that will block the UV and the heat?
2) Is there a good film that can hold up to 200 degree semi-outdoor (rain, humidity, fumes, dust) conditions?
3) Other options I should consider?
Thanks. |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 608
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 8:42 am: | |
IIRC -
Some F cars came with factory tinted glass, called Privacy Tint. It's most noticable when you have a row of Ferrari's and you can visibly see which ones have it and which ones don't. I think it was one of the few factory options on the TR (other than color choices). The Privacy Tint is not tint film but shaded/tinted glass.
-Ben |
James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 81
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 2:42 am: | |
So Modman, what does it usually cost to tint a 328. |
Alex Lee (Alxlee)
New member
Username: Alxlee
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 2:08 am: | |
Tinting will actually help the glass in the event it gets broken. It will tend to stick to the tint as a sheet instead of completely spreading in the interior.
I believe 3M also makes a tint that is shatter (break) resistant and advertised as a security feature. |
Andrew (Mrrou)
Member
Username: Mrrou
Post Number: 272
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 12:39 am: | |
modman you make it sound like tinintg the windows is good for security..will tinting make the windows more like safety glass rather then tempered? |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 203
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 12:08 am: | |
Sorry Steve, almost forgot to answer your question. Film is usually heat formed and applied from a polyester film that is petroleum based and is a pourous material. Every vehicle done at my shop is done in a one sheet seamless installation. Techniques and know how is a trade secret to some but if you're good you know how good when even revealing techniques and see the one you are teaching can't even have the patience or the ability to do so, it is a trade of you either have it or you don't. I do a lot of restoration cars and show cars of all makes and customers drive very long distances just to get their cars tinted from me. You'd never guess Modman actually specializes in this aye! I also deal with 12v security and aftermarket electronics. I'm not a jack of all trades but the customers speak greatness of me so I don't need to explain my expertise of what I do good at. |
Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member
Username: Modman
Post Number: 202
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 11:49 pm: | |
Well fellas, guess what? that is part of my business and you can pretty much call me the tint guru. I teach window tinting believe it or not. I have all my cars tinted and on some cars you can't tell they're tinted. There is a film that blocks 99.9 UV and is clear and outperform even the darkest film out in the market and there are lighter films that can block out more heat than dark dye films. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask me. It is also good for security and safety, remember that only your windshield is a safety glass and the rest is tempered glass. If you plan on investing to keep the interior from fading and getting hard you know what to do. The important thing is to have the best quality film put on with one of the most experienced tinter you can find. You have questions I have the answers to all tinting questions fellas.. |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 712
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 5:12 pm: | |
Can you guys describe the tinting -- is it applied as a dry film or a wet coating? Did you have to remove/cut the interior gasket at the top of the window sill? |
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
Junior Member
Username: Redcar
Post Number: 100
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 5:09 pm: | |
I'm also in Texas and tinted my 348. I have noticed that very few Ferrari's are tinted, but mine is MUCH more comfortable since tinting. |
Marv B (Mdb69)
New member
Username: Mdb69
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 4:58 pm: | |
I agree, tinting is mandatory in Texas if you leave your car out in the sun any. |
Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member
Username: Mmayeux73
Post Number: 155
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 4:54 pm: | |
Dave,
Did not know you lived in Texas...I live in Dallas and I have my Audi w/ black interior so it is essential. Texas heat takes a toll on leather and fades it pretty quickly. |
Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
New member
Username: Ronsupercar
Post Number: 44
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 4:04 pm: | |
How is everone suppose to see you in your Ferrari if the windows are tinted??????????????? |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member
Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 163
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 3:42 pm: | |
I had my dealer tint my 550 when we took delivery of it new in July 2000. Here in Texas, tinting is essential, especially on a car with as much window area as a 550. Believe me, it is worth it 100%. The tint is medium, so it doesn't look like a super-blacked-out pimpmobile, and compliments the Argento Nurburgring paint, IMO. |
Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
New member
Username: Evartanian
Post Number: 12
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 3:37 pm: | |
Actually, when we got our 355 it had tints all around, but its still in the shop (I had mentioned once that it had some minor body damage, hence affordable to me), but I'm planning on taking the tint off. At least to me, it looks prettier when you can see the beautiful tan leather inside. |
Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member
Username: Mmayeux73
Post Number: 152
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 3:05 pm: | |
Do F-car owners not like tinting their vehicles? I have never seen one tinted...just wondering, not really an important question. |