| Author | Message | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2269 Registered: 10-2002 |
Lawrence and Norm, your DVDs have been sent out. Hope you like them. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 315 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Andreas, you have mail! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2255 Registered: 10-2002 |
Lawrence Yee, I need your address to send you the DVD. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2236 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just won a 16mm projector on ebay. So getting ready for your reels Jack. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2196 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jeff, as I said, no rush, so don't feel sorry. Before mid October I won't have time nor resources to work on the F1 footage. But then it will start with full steam. I'm quite certain we will have it all together to put in our stockings come December.  | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 579 Registered: 12-2002 |
Andreas: It's possible (?) that the 20's footage in this latest batch is included in the "Shell's History" video I sent to you, and the '55 LeMans crash is included in the "Fangio" video I sent to you. It's also possible that Jack's stuff is totally different. I haven't got hold of Pete yet, and I haven't made time to verify the content on the other videos on my shelf. Sorry. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1006 Registered: 4-2003 |
Sounds good to me! I'll mail them out to you. Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2186 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmm, how about that: I'll buy an old 16mm projector off ebay and transfer them myself. Won't be perfect, but the quality isn't that great to begin with. The costs then should be really low. We could offer it here to interested folks for ten bucks a DVD including shipping etc. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 999 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think they are under a minute each so I don't know if it is worth the effort. There appears to be NO sound indeed. Format is 16mm. Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2177 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well, fate gave us the role of the curators of old F1 race footage. So I guess we have to play along... Jack, can you give me an estimate on how much footage we're talking here altogether? That will allow me to get an estimate from the transfer studio and we can put a package offer together. I take it these rolls don't have sound? It is interesting though. Reminds me of an old game for the Dreamcast playstation. You had to race a F1 car from the twenties around some of the tracks you mention. From that game I even have the track layout. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 998 Registered: 4-2003 |
Oh Andreas.... I'm gonna make you feel sick today.... My girlfriend just came down from the attick with more reels.... This time it concerns 16mm reels which are 1980's copies of vintage ones. They LOOK to be VERY short but the good thing is that each reel is accompanied by a descriptive page. This is what they are: 1921 French Grand Prix @ Le Mans (Jimmy Murphy won in a Duesenberg). 1922 French Grand Prix @ Strasbourg (Won by Felice Nazzaro on Fiat). 1925 French Grand Prix @ Monthlery (Won by Robert Benoist, later tortued to death by the Gestapo. In the same race, Antonio Ascari crashed to death in his Alfa Romeo. Antonio was the father of later double Ferrari F1 Champion Alberto Ascari). 1955 Le Mans 24 horror crash of Mercedes into the Grand Stand. (No shots of the crash itself but shots of explosions & flames etc.). I have scanned a still from the 1921 reel. As you can see, the quality is nowhere near as good as the 1963 footage (of course). Jack  | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 997 Registered: 4-2003 |
Only horror stories that I know are Willy Mairesse's crash in the second lap at Flugplatz (same spot as Amar and Jens....) whereby an ambulance man was killed and Mairesse damaged his arm in such a way that it ended his racing carreer. In lap 3 Bruce McLaren crashed at the same spot due to steering trouble and in the crash he was knocked unconcious and hurt his knees. Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2157 Registered: 10-2002 |
Any horror stories about all those accidents? | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 995 Registered: 4-2003 |
The entry list is already below as is the starting grid. This was the outcome: (the second time is the delay compared to Surtees). 1 7 John Surtees Ferrari 15 2:13'06.8 2 3 Jim Clark Lotus/Climax 15 2:14'24.3 1'17.5 3 2 Richie Ginther BRM 15 2:15'51.7 2'44.9 4 26 Gerhard Mitter Porsche 15 2:21'18.3 8'11.5 5 20 Jim Hall Lotus/BRM 14 2:13'28.6 1 Lap 6 16 Jo Bonnier Cooper/Climax 14 2:18'06.1 1 Lap 7 9 Jack Brabham Brabham/Climax 14 2:18'58.6 1 Lap 8 4 Trevor Taylor Lotus/Climax 14 2:21'12.5 1 Lap 9 18 Jo Siffert Lotus/BRM 10 - Differential 10 28 Bernard Collomb Lotus/Climax 10 2:16'00.4 5 Laps (7) 17 C.G.de Beaufort Porsche 9 - Wheel (8) 6 Tony Maggs Cooper/Climax 7 - Engine (13)10 Dan Gurney Brabham/Climax 6 - Gearbox (10)22 Nicha Cabral Cooper/Climax 6 - Gearbox (12)24 Ian Burgess Scirocco/BRM 5 - Steering (15)23 Tony Settember Scirocco/BRM 5 - Accident (3) 5 Bruce McLaren Cooper/Climax 3 - Accident (3) 1 Graham Hill BRM 2 - Gearbox (7) 21 Chris Amon Lola/Climax 2 - Accident (7) 8 Willy Mairesse Ferrari 1 - Accident (18)14 Innes Ireland Lotus/BRM 1 - Accident 15 Lorenzo Bandini BRM 0 - Accident Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2156 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well, scan and post here what you got. If it is awesome, I could burn another set of DVDs. I still have of course the 'project' file to make the DVDs (the biggest piece of the process). FChat resolution isn't bad btw: We are limited here to 640 and the TV NTSC limit is 720, so it is almost the same. BTW: I used Jeff's starting grid directly in the DVD. Also if you got some background about the race, that wouldn't hurt. All I know is who won it, but no other results. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 994 Registered: 4-2003 |
SHOOT! Let me see what else I have on the race. I could probably scan pages from the inside but if it's too late already, let me know. Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2154 Registered: 10-2002 |
Darn! I wish I had that poster BEFORE I burnt the DVDs. That would have been nice context. Oh well. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 993 Registered: 4-2003 |
To tease you guys a little more, here is the original program for the race:  Jack P.S. I should also have an entrance ticket somewhere. Will try to dig it up as well. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andreas, The cheques in the mail! Thanks! | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 310 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks Andreas, I just sent an email to you about my problems with my home email. I'll send out the money order to your office. Thanks! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2143 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jack, actually there are a bunch more drivers visible in the footage. I just don't know them, but I think one of them is Stirling Moss. Lawrence, your email keeps bouncing. So how about if you send it to my office addres: UBS, A. Forrer, 1 N. Wacker Dr., Chicago, IL 60606 Thanks! | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 990 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi aAndreas, just got home from a short break and it's quite a surprise! Great shots but what a pity it stops at the end of the qualifying... :-( I can identify the following drivers / cars: Picture 1: Graham Hill, BRM P57 Picture 2: None Picture 3: # 4 = Trevor Taylor, Lotus 25 # 30 = Tim Parnell, Lotus 18/21 # 3 (canopy only) = Jimmy Clar, Lotus 25 Picture 4: None Picture 5: The barrel... GRINNNNNNNNNNN Picture 6: The guy swapping the wheel on the # 23 Porsche 718 is Count (!) Carel Godin de Beaufort. That is his personal Porsche which he would race under # 17 (NOT 23 as in teh picture). His Ecurie Haaksbergen also entered a Porsche 718 for Gerhard Mitter under # 26. De Beaufort would die at the 'Ring one year later. Picture # 5: The guy on the left, with the goggles round his neck is Jimmy Clark. The guy in the middle is Graham Hill again. This is a complete listing of the entries for the race (hope it's somewhat readable). N� Entrant / Driver Car Engine Tyres Lub. 1 Owen Racing Organisation Graham Hill BRM P57 BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop Shell 2 Owen Racing Organisation Richie Ginther BRM P57 BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop Shell 3 Team Lotus Jim Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 4 Team Lotus Trevor Taylor Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 5 Cooper Car Co Bruce McLaren Cooper T66 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 6 Cooper Car Co Tony Maggs Cooper T66 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 7 Scuderia Ferrari SpA SEFAC John Surtees Ferrari 156/63 Ferrari 1.5 V6 Dunlop Shell 8 Scuderia Ferrari SpA SEFAC Willy Mairesse Ferrari 156/63 Ferrari 1.5 V6 Dunlop Shell 9 Brabham Racing Organisation Jack Brabham Brabham BT7 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 10 Brabham Racing Organisation Dan Gurney Brabham BT7 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 14 British Racing Partnership Innes Ireland Lotus 24 BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 15 Scuderia Centro Sud Lorenzo Bandini BRM P57 BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 16 Rob Walker Racing Team Jo Bonnier Cooper T66 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 17 Ecurie Maarsbergen Carel Godin de Beaufort Porsche 718 Porsche 1.5 F4 Dunlop - 18 Siffert Racing Team Jo Siffert Lotus 24 BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 20 British Racing Partnership Jim Hall Lotus 24 BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 21 Reg Parnell Racing Chris Amon Lola 4A Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 22 Scuderia Centro Sud Nicha Cabral Cooper T60 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 23 Scirocco-Powell Tony Settember Scirocco BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 24 Scirocco-Powell Ian Burgess Scirocco BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 25 Ian Raby Racing Ian Raby Gilby BRM 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 26 Ecurie Maarsbergen Gerhard Mitter Porsche 718 Porsche 1.5 F4 Dunlop - 27 Kurt Kuhnke Kurt Kuhnke Lotus 18 Borgward Dunlop - 28 Bernard Collomb Bernard Collomb Lotus 24 Climax 1.5 V8 Dunlop - 29 Tim Parnell Andre Pilette Lotus 18/21 Climax 1.5 L4 Dunlop - 30 Tim Parnell Tim Parnell Lotus 18/21 Climax 1.5 L4 Dunlop - Jack | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 307 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Andreas, you have mail! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2126 Registered: 10-2002 |
Good news: Just managed to burn the first NTSC DVD with menu and all. Works fine on my cheapo DVD player. At this moment I got the following people who ordered the DVD: Lawrence Jack Anthony Norman Andreas Jack Habitts (free, provided original) If somebody else wants a copy, let me know please ASAP. Given a total cost of $ 275 and some shipping and burning, I set the price at $ 60 per copy. So may I politely ask you to either send me a check (send me an email if you need my address) or transfer the money to my paypal account: [email protected] Once I have your payment, I'll burn you a DVD (or tape if you prefer, let me know in that case). | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2109 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks Jeff for that. I'll use that in the DVD for context. Did the subtitles last night. Will write some additional notes today to put the race in historic perspective. | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 561 Registered: 12-2002 |
For help in identifying the cars, here is the starting grid for this race, from Automobile Year #11, 1963-64.  | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2086 Registered: 10-2002 |
Actually I'm thinking I could make two versions of the footage on the DVD. Since it is not that long, there is enough space left. One version would be as is and the other one have subtitles. How about that? | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 303 Registered: 8-2002 |
Damn Andreas, that's awesome pics! I would like to see some text before, if possible, since I don't speak German. Thanks. I guess back in those days the whole family got involved with the husband/boyfriend's racing. But it's interesting to see a fellow changing a tire in a sportcoat! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2082 Registered: 10-2002 |
As promised here some frame grabs from the meanwhile digitized film (IMHO no quality loss at all): I know that helmet! Damon Hill! Nope, his father.  The old pit area and the Nuerburg castle in the background:  Maybe you guys can ID these cars/drivers? Some neat camerawork btw, very low.  Deutsche Gemuetlichkeit: BYOB (bring your own BARRELL). Imagine trying this trick today...   Notice the lady in the skirt working on the tires in the background?  Graham Hill  Please note, that FChat uses a lower res than the actual film is. The stuff looks a lot better on DVD. Also I was thinking about adding some text before/after the footage, that would put it into context of the year and championship. I could write something up, but maybe we have some talented writers in the forum who'd like to take this on? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2073 Registered: 10-2002 |
I just watched it. They did get the sound as well. It is rather short as predicted, around 5 minutes. It is some footage from the practice session, shows the cars, some drivers (I'm not good at spotting these guys, so can't give you any names), sport commentator, press, pit mechanics and lots of fans. The German Gemuetlichkeit around the old ring. Finally some shots as the cars prepare for the GP, then it stops. Looks like the beginning of a bigger report, it is done very professionally, so I doubt it was an amateur. Now for the big question: This is all German sound. Some people are talking and sometimes it is a voice over. Of course I understand it, but what about you guys? Should I make an attempt at subtitles? I can technically, but it is a lot of effort. However some stuff is just hilarious: "These tires are good for an entire race. If you have to change tires during the race, you have already lost." How times have changed... | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 302 Registered: 8-2002 |
Same for me Andreas: DVD for NA Thanks! | ||
| Norman (Storminnormin)
Member Username: Storminnormin Post Number: 257 Registered: 7-2002 |
DVD for North America please. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2058 Registered: 10-2002 |
Phantastic! ...and the price keeps on dropping. BTW: Let me all know, what format you like to get your copy in: DVD or VHS? NTSC or PAL? | ||
| Norman (Storminnormin)
Member Username: Storminnormin Post Number: 254 Registered: 7-2002 |
Andreas, I'd be interested too. Count me in. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2051 Registered: 10-2002 |
Cool, thanks Jack. The price keeps dropping. Once I have the DV in my hands, I'll grab a few screenshots and post them here. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1385 Registered: 3-2002 |
Andreas, don't forget me. I'll pay my share... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2048 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just got word from the transfer shop: They said it is all done and well and they came out way under budget. The number is allegedly 275 including sound. I'll pick up the original and the DV today and keep you guys posted. So far I got Lawrence, Anthony and myself, which makes the individual costs just about $ 90. Any other takers? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1976 Registered: 10-2002 |
Copy that Jack. The temptation is there, but won't do it. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 951 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Andreas, great to hear that it made it safe & sound. Please don't cut any "souvenir" frames out of it as that will disturb the sound track. Rob, I found it in Germany when I purchased a small collection of race memorabilia and in the end the seller went into the cellar and came up with this reel. No idea who shot it but it looks to have been edited. Best regards, Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1963 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yup, about five minutes of film. Jack, it arrived yesterday sound and safe. Will take it to the transfer place now. Rob and Faisal, are you guys interested in a copy and sharing the costs? | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 787 Registered: 11-2002 |
Awesome stuff! Were did you find the film? Who shot it? 500 ft = What, about five minutes of film? | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 917 Registered: 4-2003 |
Andreas, the footage is on the way to you. Best regards, Jack | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1875 Registered: 10-2002 |
Faisal, Mini DV is actually AVI format. And yes, I'm planning on putting it onto DVD; I have a DVD burner. So yes, yes, and yes. Are you interested? PS: You should be getting another Goodwood CD from me soon for 'publication'. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 851 Registered: 3-2003 |
Wouldn't you be better off getting it converted to AVI or WMV or some other computer format (even DVD, although then you'd need a DVD burner) so you can creat CD copies easily and distribute to more people...Just about everyone has a pc. Hope it pays for itself. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 293 Registered: 8-2002 |
Me too even though I'm looking at US bucks! I hope we get enough people to make it less than $100 / person. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm interested. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1872 Registered: 10-2002 |
I figured we should make this a separate thread, as it has become a project of its own. Jack Habbits has 500 feet of original 35 mm footage from the 1963 Nuerburgring GP and I'm planning on having it transferred onto Mini DV and then either DVD or VHS.  Here a still frame of Lorenzo Bandini in a BRM taken from this footage. I checked with my film shop and the original quote unfortunately went up as we also want to transfer the sound track. So the conversion now costs $ 425. I'm willing to pay this upfront and then split the costs with anybody who wants a copy (VHS or DVD is your choice). So please let me know by email or a post here whether you're interested or not. |