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Peter B. (Gts308qv)
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 5:42 pm:   

Nick ! Stop whining about getting a free ride, pull your finger out and go buy a Ferrari!
A nice clean GT4 can be had for the price of your average family sedan or rice rocket. You will enter the world of Ferrari and may learn how to maintain and appreciate these cars. If you are willing to get your hands dirty and learn from the experience of owning a Ferrari, there is no point waiting till you are "rich" enough to buy that 360 Spider ! Act while you are young and take the example from many on FC who have turned their "dream" car in to reality. Bret is rebuilding his GTS, Peter GT4 is doing the same. They, as many others on FC, like myself have taken the plunge and now own and maintain a Ferrari. The early cars like GT4 or GTB/S are time consuming to work on but not that difficult. Insurance etc. is actually less than most modified/performance cars.Join the Ferrari Club in Australia and you will meet scores of enthusiasts with entry level Ferraris who know how to enjoy life! When you have a drink with your mates, they will all be ****ing on how fast their Jap car is or what they have bolted on to their V8 Falcon/Commodore and how much money they have wasted on wheels and "go faster" junk. All you have to say is "I drive a Ferrari" ,end of conversation. Just do it !
Dustin N (69912)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 3:13 pm:   

Dave: That was a great post!
Andrew (Mrrou)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 2:50 pm:   

When purchasing a ferrari (i have the 550 in mind) I do not have a plan on what date to purchase it by, personally I think that is foolish for the following reasons.
First of all, if you buy any expensive item you need to have assets. If 10 years from now I buy a 550 for $100k and only 90k in assets, its a foolish choice. I would much rather have 250k in assets first. Let ur assets come first.
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 6:04 am:   

If one is successful, some people will take popshots, be envious and jealous just because someone else is successful. This is one of the prices of success.

One has to decide if success and a happy life is worth the prices.

There are many excellent books out there on how to handle negative people. Each person handles it differently.
Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 9:11 am:   

Dave,
Thanks for your comments. It is exciting to hear first hand about someone I have studied since my college days.
Stephen
Nick (Ferrari_fan)
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 7:45 am:   

Dave, I agree. I'm Nick i started this post. I am a very positive person and i know that my dreams, being a ferrari or whatever else, will be reached, i do have difficulty in selecting a date by when, and lately seem to be looking a 35 by the time i buy a ferrari (being 28 now). I think what slows me down abit is that i am surrounded by people that are alot more negative than positive and when i talk about my dream of ferrari, most people laugh making the kind of comments that i'm sure you all have heard. at times i tend to walk away thinking am i dreaming too much ? but people like yourself Dave and the other guys make a reality again. Thankyou. Keep Smiling

Regards
Nick
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 6:10 pm:   

I forgot to mention that Ansel was a millionair when he died.
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 5:29 pm:   

I just got back from taking the dog exploring flooded rivers. Unfortunately just a rented 4x4 truck.

I have never thought that Ansel�s life was incomplete, and did not mean to imply that.

Far from that, I think that Ansel had the most complete life of anyone I have met.
Ansel did what he wanted, when he wanted, how he wanted, and got the world to accept him on his terms. How many people can say that? I cannot � I have made many compromises with the world. Ansel did not. He even turned down one invitation to visit the White House because he disagreed with the President�s views on the environment. I believe it was Reagan. Ansel was also very accomplished in music.

Most people when they met me think I am about 38 � actually older. When I grow up, I want to be a big kid. At 20, my goal was not a Ferrari, but to study with Ansel Adams and live a life like his. Thinking back it was around 1972 to 1974 after I got out of the Army that I studied with Ansel Adams.

I remember his comment that nothing is worse than a fuzzy concept rendered sharply. It also applies to music.

I remember his chopping apart one of my favorite and best selling photographs. When I commented that it always sold well, Ansel replied that prostitution and heroin sell well, but that does not mean they are good.

I learned many things from Ansel. One came from a beautiful scene in Yosemite. I wanted to grab my cameras and start shooting. Ansel said no. Visualize the final photograph first. Become one with the scene in front of you. In your mind, select the best spot. In your mind, select the lens, etc. Take the photography in your mind; only then take out the cameras. That mental displine has helped me throughout life in many areas.

Through awards and other things the world has said that I am better than over 99 % of the commercial and fine art photographers out there. However, I am at a low level and Ansel was at such a high level. He could see levels above him that I could not see.

In the early 1970s, Ansel was excited about trying to reach these levels.

I last talked to Ansel in the early 1980s. I do not remember why I called. One thing that has always stood out in memory was that he was no longer trying to reach these higher levels. He was no longer playing his music. Then he died.

That is not to distract from his life. He accomplished in one lifetime far more than most could accomplish in 10 or 20 lifetimes.

I do NOT think that Ansel had regrets or felt his life was incomplete.

Why did he give up trying to reach these higher levels, his dream? I do not know. Maybe it was health. I heard that he was having health problems, but I never heard him complain.

I think we need dreams and �a mountain to climb� even at 100, but especially as we get older.


About 3 years ago, I was close to a woman named Becka Sue. She had been close to her grandmother who died of natural causes. I asked Becka Sue how her grandmother had died and she said her grandmother had just got tired of life. It is a sad statement to say that one died because one is tired of life.

I have heard others make similar statements.

This is the point I was trying to make.

One needs dreams, be it a Ferrari or something else.


I think Jack is right in that one can go too far in another extreme.
I have an acquaintance named Lance. Our bond ironically is photography. Lance�s father committed suicide and left Lance with about $36,000,000. Lance has increased it to over $100,000,000. Lance works 16 to 18 hours a day increasing it more. He has a nervous stutter, which disappears when he is in nature for a few days. Is this a life well spent?

Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 12:30 pm:   

"Life is not a dress rehersal..."
Jack (Gilles27)
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Post Number: 37
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Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 12:05 pm:   

Dave, I agree with what you say. I think you sum things up very concisely when you say that many people die at 21 and are buried at 71. It's important to always be reaching. But it's also important to stop now and then to appreciate that which is around you. We always see examples of people so driven that they speed through life "accomplishing", never satisfied with what they have. These people tend to die empty and alone, regardless of how many or how much surrounds them. I envy you your experiences with Ansel Adams. I've always admired the artistic mind that can mold a lifetime around one's passion.
Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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Post Number: 76
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Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 11:45 am:   

Dave,
With all due respect, I have to question your interpretation of Ansel Adams final days. Mr. Adams, who was born in 1902, lived to the ripe old age of 82. He was photographing and publishing since before World War I. His final years were a triumph, celebrating his unique gift as an American artist. I remember the Presidential Medal of Freedom award after "Yosemite and the Range of Light" came out. This did not seem like a man who had many regrets.
Now, I don't mean to offend you with this. I did not know Ansel Adams at all. If you spent 5 minutes with him (and I suspect you spent much more than that), you have a much greater knowledge of him than I. My only question is do you really think Ansel Adams went to his grave with only the sense that his life's work was incomplete?
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Post Number: 151
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 11:23 am:   

I think it is very good that we are never satisfied.

When we have no more dreams, when there are no more mountains to climb, that is when we start to die.

When I studied with Ansel Adams, he could see levels above him that he had not obtained. Shortly afer he gave up his dreams, he died. I have never understood what made him change. The world lost a great man.
1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 10:54 am:   

Very nice, Dave.
One should have always goal.
The problem is that human beeing is never satisfied. (at least me :-))
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 7:45 am:   

Please forgive this if long, but I think this is a very important area. Although currently in a hotel in Ohio, will take the time to write it while drinking morning coffee.

I generally agree with what has been said. I would not count on someone giving it to you � one has to earn it and the money to enjoy it.

I have read most of the success books. When I lived in New York City, almost every Sunday morning I listened to Norman Vincent Peale talk.

Generally success books say it is very important always to have an exact date in mind. I am not for sure, but do not know. In life, sometimes one will reach the goal, but occasionally one will not. Also what happens when one only reaches only 85 % of the goal? How does one keep the faith at that point? I have had issues here. I have also known people who have lost confidence at this point. If anyone knows a good technique, I would like to know.

When I lived in Hawaii, I found a book on a psychological study done on successful people. It came to the conclusion that long-term successful people lived by what it called a ratchet principle. Like a ratchet wrench, they constantly tried to minimize any possible downside while maximizing the upside. I think one has to do this. I have at times though had issues with minimizing the downside while continuing to focusing on the upside. At times I have had problems doing both. Again, if anyone has any good techniques, let me know either on or off list.

I have found that if one constantly visualizes the negative possibilities, then these negative possibilities will most likely happen. Visualization is extremely powerful. Sometimes it is hard to constantly visualize the good, while thinking about how to minimize the possible bad.

I have also found that one needs something outside of themselves, either people, future events, or physical things (like Ferraris), to keep one going (I believe that many people die at 21 and are not buried until 71) and to keep physically existing. Things like religion do not seem to work.

A couple of examples:

I was in US Army Engineer Officer Candidate School during the Vietnam War. My brother Daniel was in his third week in Vietnam leading a long-range reconnaissance patrol behind enemy lines. He was killed, apparently by his own men. Daniel was a spit and polish, by the book Officer � the wrong type of Officer to be doing that duty. I can understand why his men did it, although I disagree with it.

Due to this and other things, I was disillusioned when I went back to OCS after two weeks of emergency leave, but I like to finish what I start. During that two weeks, I bought the Austin Healey 3000 Mk III sports car � the car of my dreams at that point. I could not afford it unless I finished OCS.

When things got rough or the pain great, I said to myself this is for the Healey, or I thought of making love to my girlfriend Eileen (which we had not done yet).
One morning our Tactical Officer (who was an athletic, a sadist, and who could not understand why everyone in the world could not do what he could do) fell the company out. We started running at 4 AM with full gear and wearing gas masks. We ran until noon. Over 100 people started, less than 10 finished. I was one of the ones who finished, even though many who did not were in far better physical shape than I was. I did rupture some blood vessels in my legs though. Later there was a Congressional Investigation about why so many OCS candidates were in the hospital.

It was just put one foot in front of the other for 8 hours. When it was hard to do that, it was this step is for the Healey or visualizing making love to Eileen. For 8 hours.

If it had not been for the Healey or thinking about making love to Eileen, I could not have finished that run or finished OCS.

I believe in studying with the best, so I have studied with Ansel Adams � the great B&W landscape photographer. Several years after I studied with Ansel, I was talking to him on the phone. He was telling me about how he was going back through his negative files looking for �treasures that he had overlooked�. Since I knew that much of his life drive was tied up in creative photo shooting, I recommended that he continue to shoot. He did not. Less than 6 months later, he was dead.

Several years ago when I was in a bad period, a woman asked me to describe myself. I thought for a while and said badly wounded, but still standing in the arena and fighting. I think most people go through periods like this. Working toward a dream is the best way I know to get over the bad times.


One should always have a dream (Ferrari, other physical object, future event, or something in a relationship) that one is working toward. It can be accomplished. It adds excitement, joy, zest to life. It keeps the juices flowing.

It is the only way I know of to live a long, successful and happy life.

Dave Wapinski

Tim N (Timn88)
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Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 9:25 pm:   

That makes 4 people here that arent over 20, Bret, Kenny, Racer 101 and myself. It doesnt look like randy's site it too successful, $557.74 wont even buy a wheel.
1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
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Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 5:16 pm:   

You do have real dreamers in USA :-)
TomD (Tifosi)
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Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 8:10 am:   

That guy is on this site - Randy.
Andrew (Enzo250gto)
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Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 6:48 am:   

www.buymeaferrari.com Your idea about setting up a fund has been done by this guy.
Mr. 001 (Racer_001)
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 3:30 am:   

I'm only 16 so I'm just starting my career. I hope I won't need a phd. for my dream car (360). :-(

Which schools did you guys go to?
Nick (Ferrari_fan)
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 2:25 am:   

Guys thanks for the kinds words, its good to speak to people that think or have thought the same as me. I do have money sitting in managed funds and a "Ferrari account" if you want to call it that, and i will get it, I think i am just impatient and when I drive to work and i see a ferrari driving in the opposite direction, i am in awe for 30seconds and then do realise that the only person that can help me get that is - me !

P.S.Richard T - The Millionair Next Door -I am currently reading that - great book and thanks.
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 9:21 pm:   

Nick, it's amazing how much money you can stash away by saving a $100 here, $500 there. Stay open an extra hour with the plan of putting all extra $$ in the Ferrari account. I had a special mutual fund just for my Ferrari. It actually became addictive to "find" money to move to the fund.

It's been said many times that the majority of the cars in an average parking lot are more expensive than the 308. What does that tell you about affording a Ferrari?
Tim N (Timn88)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 8:24 pm:   

While your picking one up, better make it two, my garage could use one.
J. Grande (Jay)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 6:05 pm:   

Nick, I said I would own a Ferrari by age 30. Well, this year at age 29 I bought my first Ferrari, and it feels great. It is just like Martin said, you must plan, believe and then work towards that plan. It is the greatest feeling in the world to own a Ferrari, I can't get the smile off of my face. I'm not rich by any means, just determined with a great wife who understands what "Ferrari" means!
Jack (Gilles27)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 4:04 pm:   

Nick,
At 28, I was saying the same thing. Ironically, I recently turned 35, and just purchased my first--a 328. I think that, even if I had a million bucks to spend on a car, it's still the model that I'd get. That's the result of what these cars do to you. The way the design makes an impression, and just sticks in your head...It's funny, because a Ferrari dealer once told me how all his buyers are, for the most part, the same guy. They were all the kid growing up with the pictures of Ferraris on their wall, just biding their time until when (not "if") they finally decided it was their time. He couldn't even remember the last time a customer walked through his door and left without buying a car. Don't give up--you'll get yours.
Martin (Miami348ts)
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Post Number: 1612
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 11:32 am:   

:-)( Nick,
you are already driving...:-)
I doubt it will take until you are 35!

I had my first at age 23 then went cold turkey for 8 years and got my 348 at age 30 again. Wait, so I had my first when I was 22. No actually thinking about it 21. Damn I am old.

Nick, I give you another year max:-)
Richard T. (Tom) Gripe, MD. (Gripet)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 9:54 am:   

It took me 22 years to realise my first Ferrari. I saw it at Marchetti's in Chicago in the summer of l980. The 12 cyclinder boxer was $112K and a nice looking albeit older v-12 fwd 280GT?? was $30K. Didn't have two nickels to rub together then.
Got my 2001 360 Modena in June of 2001 in Hinsdale (west of Chicago) at Continental AutoSports. Nice folks. Talk to Keith Wermeyer. My F575 Maranello Modifico?? will arrive June of 2003.
The secret for me was in being frugal for all those years. And the determination of a pit bull didn't hurt. A very interesting and easy to read book on the subject is "The Millionaire Next Door". You can find it on Amazon.com in paperback.
I'll share with you one thing. The average guy is a lot more envious of a Ferrari than any other car including a Porsche 996TT. It has almost a magical aura. And the result is a great boost for any ego.
I encourage you to really fight for this prize it is well worth it.

tom
The Nickster (Ferrari_fan)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 7:12 am:   

Martin I appreciate your comments. My original post was abitof a joke, but everything you said is exactly what i actually do. I am currently 28 years old and have promised myself a ferrari by the time i am 35, so my homework is being done. I own a restaurant here in Adelaide Australia, i know business and how to make money, and once a week i drive home from work and stop off at the ferrari dealer at just stare in the window (At 1am in the morning)because i know i it is a dream that will be a reality.

I wake up every morning and stare at my many ferrari models, books, pictures etc, and i think my girlfriend thinks that i love my ferrari more than her (she might be right), but anyway i understand exactly what you are saying and i agree with u, there is lots of money out there and i will got and get it instead of waiting for it to come to me.

Thankyou
The Nickster (Ferrari_fan)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 7:04 am:   

Erich thanks for the tip on the Sultan of Brunei,you think i can have his personal email or cell phone number. A man who would through a ferrari in the ocean does not deserve to have a ferrari no matter how much money he has..
Martin (Miami348ts)
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Post Number: 1608
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 7:01 am:   

Nick,
I heavily believe in mind settings. Actually I have done so and was proven that it works.

Eliminate words from your language:
could, would, should, may one day, dream and those alike.

It is not a dream car. It is a dream of a car! A dream car is one that will only appear in your dreams. A dream of a car is one you will condition yourself to drive (not one day but on XX/XX/200X)

Have a model on your desk. Make a picture frame with the car you want in the color you want and write a price that it costs today next to it with (very important) a date when you will be driving this car!

I have done that when I was still in school. I actually went as far as to sign a contract for a $50K car without knowing how to pay for the damn thing. The wait was 2 1/2 years and I knew by October 1991 I had to have that money! As a background, my parents are poor, no way there! I had the picture on the wall, a model and I was staring at this picture day in day out. Whenever I was on the phone I was looking at it. It became an obsession and was burried deep in my mind. I actually did not buy the car from the contract but had the car in November of 1990! I just could not wait any more!

It is all a mind set. You can condition your brain to achive anything. Asking other for a gift (and I know, hope, you were joking)will never make you apprechiate what you have as much as sweating for it.

Money is out there....make it!
Edwin F Herr lll (Letsgofst)
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Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 5:55 am:   

Hi Nick. I was a millionaire until I took my 355 in for a service
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 12:22 am:   

I think the majority on this board at one time, some not that long ago only thought of their own Ferrari as a dream. From personal experience, the dream does come true and then you realize reality is even better than the best dreams. Took me 14 years from the first time I saw a Ferrari in person and knew my destiny from that day on.
Erich Walz (Deleteall)
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Post Number: 61
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Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 12:11 am:   

Check with the Sultan of Brunei. He's been rumored to dump Ferraris and other exotics into the ocean whe he's tired of them.
Nick Venditti (Ferrari_fan)
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Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 11:21 pm:   

just wondering if there would be any millionairs out there with some spare change or a spared used ferrari, that they could send down to the biggest ferrari fan in the world down in Australia. I like many others have yet to be able to purchase my dream car,but there is never a day where i doubt myself if i ever will. There is a group of us around the world that at this stage can only dream of owning such a car, but yet hang in there guys, we will get there. Maybe we should set up a world wide fund so people can donate money to the biggest ferrari fans in the world who make ferrari their way of life ! (last part was a joke)
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