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izel k (Ferrarist)
New member
Username: Ferrarist
Post Number: 12
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 7:31 am: | |
As i read in mags Maserati will produce a SUV.
Not Ferrari. |
Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Junior Member
Username: Eurocardoc
Post Number: 225
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 5:47 am: | |
Jerrari- remember that? For the really rich and idle a SUV makes sense look how succesful the LM008 was, LOL. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1715
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 11:40 pm: | |
For the pro-SUV guys, please read this article:
http://www.pistonheads.com/truth/default.asp?storyId=3809
I should hope you learn something from this... |
Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member
Username: Caribe
Post Number: 271
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 6:14 pm: | |
Harlan, no offense taken. If numbers were the only thing that drives one to acquire a sports car then, I agree with many of you, the Z06 is probably the best value out there. I had not driven the Z06 yet, but I had driven a 2001 C5 and redlined the first two gears when I did (the sales guy was not happy). I did that the same day I drove my first two TRs, which from the start I knew did not show as well from the number's point of view as the C5, and I can tell you honestly there is something about the TR that I just could not pass. And that, whatever it is, it's still there everytime I get on it, whether I push it or not, and I just cannot turn around and convince myself of buying a car just because it is a little faster than other. Besides, there are very few cars out there that can even close to the beauty and finesse of a Ferrari, and no matter which cars makes your heart pump faster, when you see a Ferrari driving by, you just have to look and wander how it compares to your ride. For whatever it's worth I am talking about design, beauty, and function all combined masterfully into a wonderful package, IMHO.
Now, a SUV is another story and I cannot see Ferrari willing to put their reputation on the line just to increase revenue. Again, I think a Maserati SUV would be a better option to explore and increase revenue. |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
New member
Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 23
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 4:39 pm: | |
please no! |
Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member
Username: T88power
Post Number: 266
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 3:11 pm: | |
Yes, the Supra TT does have better interior fit and finish is better than a 355, and on a par with a 360. But then, you are talking Japanese. The Z06 is a 2000 model car, and it doesn't hold a candle to a 1993 car, which is pretty sad. The Z06 offer great performance, but sacrifices everything else.
By the way, old changes in my 360 are not much more than $60 --> 10 quarts of Mobil 1 and a Ferrari oil filter. |
James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member
Username: Omnadren250
Post Number: 122
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:47 pm: | |
Ernesto,
My twinner supra is a 1998, and I would even say that the interior quality and fit/finish is better than the 355 my dad used to own.
If you want performance, the Z06 is the best bang for your buck. It may not be as nice as the 360, but those 30 dollar oil changes and low maintenance costs make it worth it. |
James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member
Username: Omnadren250
Post Number: 121
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:44 pm: | |
I think Ferrari will be in big trouble if the build an SUV.
The fact is, they don't make the fastest, most practical, reliable cars. The cost of parts is prohibitive, and the wait time for many simple, consumable parts is frustrating at best.
Many cars costing much less (such as the 996tt) are either a tad faster or slower but offer better value for your money. Heck, even my slightly modded twinner supra will rock'n roll the current stable from Maranello. And the kid next door will rape most of the v8 Ferraris with his mustang.
The one thing you guys have on the rest of the sports car crowd is the fact that Ferrari only builds sports cars and not 4-Runners, Explorers and Cayennes.
Many of you have used it to your advantage during heated, yet fun arguments on this site.
James
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Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member
Username: T88power
Post Number: 265
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:36 pm: | |
I would definitely say that a 360 is worth three times a Z06. The fit and finish in a Vette is so bad it is unbelievable. The quality of the plastics used in the interior is aweful. The seating position is terrible - all I see out the front window is a long hood. It's pretty sad that my 9 year old Toyota Supra has interior and exterior fit and finish that is worlds better than a Z06. If you are talking about outright speed, then the Z06 is a very good value. But if you are talking about a CAR, the Z06 is horrible.
If Ferrari builds an SUV it will loose me as a customer. I would rather have them build a bad ass four door, but then it would probably compete with the Maserati Quattroporte. But then again, if Ferrari wants to build an SUV, they should badge it as a Maserati...
Ernesto |
James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member
Username: Omnadren250
Post Number: 120
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:36 pm: | |
Harlan......
Well said, ROCK ON BROTHER!!!!!! |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member
Username: Willis360
Post Number: 590
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:34 pm: | |
A Maserati SUV would make more sense. Keeps the Ferrari line focused on sports cars.
We Ferrari owners are a tolerant lot. We put up with expensive parts, long waits, and unpredictable build quality. The general public may not be as forgiving.
For a Ferrari-built SUV to survive in the marketplace, it must be much better than the other brands.
A SUV is supposed to be tough. Ferrari can't even get the paint quality right on their road cars. How would a Ferrari or Maserati SUV paintjob fare in the realworld useage?
I'd say forget the whole SUV idea. |
Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member
Username: Hmott3
Post Number: 80
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:30 pm: | |
Ok I just re-read my post and it sounds a little crass. Let me remind everyone I ment no disrespect, and let me appologize to Mr. Torres incase I sounded as if I was attacking him. I just wanted to state my oppions, and this post is to let everyone know I'm not meaning to be rude if that post sounded it. I also love Ferrari's, as much as anyone else here does. I just love them enough to love there little seemingly unwanted SUV child as well I guess? |
Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member
Username: Hmott3
Post Number: 79
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:22 pm: | |
I think I'm always the "bad guy" but I wanted to chime in on this. Ferrari doesn't do sports cars all that well (minus f40, f50, 288), you can get an esprit, nsx, z06 or a slew of others that are as fast/faster for much less. The fact their SUV would require excessive maintenance and only be "great" because of the Ferrari name is no different than most of their current cars. Is a 360 really worth three times a z06 without the Ferrari name, with no doubt it is not. Ferrari sticking to what it does best means producing a great looking, wonderful sounding, low production, very capable, and high prestige vehicle. I see nowhere that production of an SUV would be contrary to that which makes a Ferrari a Ferrari. I agree lots of SUVs exist that could do what a Ferrari SUV would do, but then there are lots of sporty cars that can do what a Ferrari sports car does for less money.
Most people also buy Ferrari's for its NAME (read heritage). In terms of heritage Porsche is probably going to build a much better SUV (read off road capable) than it does sports car, many close-minded people may not see that in the end, if they use their rally experience it will be an exceptional vehicle. I also bet if we see a Ferrari SUV it will be a truly lovely Ferrari. Ferrari means luxury, exclusivity, sound, sight, and most importantly little boy dreams. I can't see a Ferrari SUV not being all of the things a Ferrari should be. If you think a Ferrari should simply be a Sports car for all sports cars to envy then maybe you should take another look at the beautiful 456, or stand behind a 550 downshifting on a corner. These cars aren�t sports cars but they are Ferrari�s to the highest possible degree.
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Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 1616
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 2:17 pm: | |
That reminds me of the Golf Country VW did in the late 80s early 90s. A Golf raised and it looked like SH*T.
I can see the 360 COuntry right in front of me...puke! |
Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member
Username: Caribe
Post Number: 270
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 1:58 pm: | |
Ferrari should stick to what it does best, sports cars. I personally would not like to buy an SUV that will require serious maintenance and upkeep expenses just beacuse it has the Ferrari name on it. There are already plenty of SUVs out there that could do as good, or a better job for a lot less, than what Ferrari might come out with given the little experience they have beyond the sports car market. The porsche SUV is a joke. I feel sorry for the guy that gets kicks of buying one of those just because of the name. Diversification does not always work to your benefit, and I think this a good example of bad one. Now, a Maserati SUV might not be that bad! |
Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member
Username: Deleteall
Post Number: 65
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 1:47 pm: | |
From a financial standpoint it makes a lot of sense. The world is clamoring for SUV's and since 98% never go off road, they don't have to be truely functional SUVs. Think of all the SUV's on car platforms. Ferrari could easily adapt a 456 into an SUV, lowering production costs and making entry into the market quicker. Granted, using a car chassis hurts off road performance but improves the ride which is what the poseurs want. I would think this would be especially true of Ferrari. People would evaluate a Ferrari SUV by the way it handled and accelerated, not its ability(or lack thereof) to handle a 45% grade. |
Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member
Username: Deleteall
Post Number: 64
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 1:45 pm: | |
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William Huber (Solipsist)
Junior Member
Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 221
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 1:15 pm: | |
Bring back the breadvan! |
David Albright (Dalbright)
Member
Username: Dalbright
Post Number: 282
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 12:53 pm: | |
could be interesting if they made an SUV similar to the lambo one created years ago....more rugged, almost hummer like. Never mind....PLEASE no SUV for Ferrari. |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Junior Member
Username: Ernie
Post Number: 225
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 11:27 am: | |
I would rather see Ferrari come out with a four door station wagon like the one they made for the Sultan of Bruni base on a 456, rather than make a fake SUV. If they are that desprate to get money maybe they should stop letting FNA be a monopoly and focus on volume parts sales. |
Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member
Username: Deleteall
Post Number: 63
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 11:18 am: | |
I heard that Ferrari really is considering making an SUV. Does anyone know if that's true? Seems more plausible considering some of the other ventures they're considering(see IPO post).
You'd think they'd at least wait and see how the Porsche Cayenne is recieved. |