| Author | Message | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2002 |
Eric: re the 330 Wow, oh wow, oh wow!! | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2002 |
i just posted a few pictures of my ferraris at www.tigersports.com/ferrari.htm and will post a couple more photos of my blue and red daytonas separately tomorrow. I agree we should be driving the cars, I have 21,000 and 17000 miles on my daytonas and i don't think the low mileage matters. If they are driven, they are better cars. | ||
| Eric Hawley (Eric)
New member Username: Eric Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thanks Martin, I look at that picture every now and then and think "I really should polish those wheels again". I just really can't see how I'm ever going to get them as shiny as they were that day when I brought the car home for the first time. I keep thinking I might find some of the alloy wheels to use for every day use, and keep the wires for occasions. I've tried once or twice to do a more thorough cleaning/polsihing, but I get about 1/4 through cleaning each spoke on one wheel and think maybe I'd rather go for a drive. | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 509 Registered: 5-2001 |
Eric, That is a gorgeous 330GTC of yours. | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
New member Username: Donv Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2002 |
I agree with everyone who's posted here, that driving your old cars is much better than letting them sit. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a post on this board advocating not driving your Ferraris, whether old or new. As for parts, well, my 365 2+2 did spend about a month last winter waiting for new door handles, but it was winter and it didn't bother me too much. Parts can always be found at some point (or they can be made, if necessary). And, I've found that my 365, anyway, is reliable enough that it rarely needs parts and/or work between scheduled services, anyway. Insurance isn't a big deal, either. I just have normal insurance through State Farm, and I can't even remember how much it is. I know it's not anything out of line with my other cars. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
New member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2002 |
I agree that owners should be driving the older V-12 models. The mileage on an older car does not affect the value at all in my opinion. As long as the car is maintained well it will hold it's value. A well maintained car will be a reliable driver. There are many sources for vintage Ferrari parts out there. The sound of a V-12 at high rpm is fantastic. I am going through a restoration with my car now and it is expensive and time consuming, but I am looking forward to the day when I can get back on the road and drive the car like it was meant to be driven. | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 196 Registered: 7-2001 |
Might be time for Rob to ad an area for pre 75 cars? Say anything up to and including the Daytona maybe? | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
New member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 49 Registered: 1-2002 |
When I got myself on the waiting list for a 360 spider, I bought a 365 GTB4 for the time being (a long time favorite of mine). Now, I will not sell the daytona when the spider comes, since the car is just incredible. Mechanically finally perfect. After strugling with running too rich for 6 months WWoC put an electronic ignition on the car. It runs now better than new. The car has a fantastic (loud) sound, which is legal for its age. I run it regularly until the 7700rpm redline and put on 7000 miles per year. It will eventually be a high mileage car, but most people on this board would prefer a well running example over a low mileage car. Cosmetically the car is not perfect and regularly even dirty, since I have no driveway in Manhattan. The big difference with Bill's car is that with the Barchetta you need to go at highly illegal speeds to get the same feeling as the daytona at almost any speed. So, I'm happily awaiting my spider and am sure that having both cars will give me every time a difficult choice to make | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 431 Registered: 12-2001 |
I have often thought of going for an older car that i could drive, but am always put off by the parts availability issue. I don't like driving when it is 110degrees out, and usually don't use the air conditioning anyway (even though it works on the modern cars), so that aspect of the old cars doesn't put me off in the least. The other thing is, with a modern ferrari, any accumulation of miles quickly reduces the resale value of the car, whereas, on an older car, the actual mileage is almost irrelevant so long as the car is maintained (and the engine,suspension, etc. overhauled at major intervals). I tend to put 5 to 10k miles per season on a car without really trying, and more if i do some long distance driving. Thus, if i keep my barchetta, and continue to put miles on it, it will continue to depreciate for the near term. If, however, i bought a 275 gtb/4, or 365 gts, those cars, which would still cost less than the barchetta today, might hold their value as i continue to drive them, to say nothing about the experience of driving the older car. I know this sounds like speculator speak, but frankly, i'm not rich enough to ignore the longer range monetary impact of owning a ~300k dollar car. And, given that i do actually drive these things, reliability does play an important part. But, if i bought an old one, i would look for one that some poor soul sunk a fortune into, and fully restored, when values were insane, since i would not like to take on the expense and hassle of that task, even if i could get the car itself for cheap. | ||
| Eric Hawley (Eric)
New member Username: Eric Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2001 |
I suppose it's all about why you bought your car in the first place. Many owners of the early v12s bought them because they wanted a show car, not a driver. They pay big $ to get them restored to Concours condition, then don't dare put many miles on them lest anything break, ding, or tarnish. Or, if they have really deep pockets, they go ahead and drive them and fix them before the next big show. Neither is much of an option for me, nor even very interesting to me. As long as I can remember (over 45 years), I have wanted a Ferrari V12. I fell in love with the sound at Laguna Seca back in the mid 60's and was hooked. So I started looking for a very nice driver, and found it just about 2 years ago. I can't imagine ever getting rid of it. I've put about 5,000 miles on it in the past 2 years, including a few miles on the track. man, I love the sound of a 60s v12 at 7,0000 RPM!!! Makes me tingle everytime I hear it, and I get to hear it whenever I want now. Wahooo!!! I own my 330GTC because it makes me happy to hear the car and to tinker with it. It'll never be a concours car (at least while I own it), but will by golly be driven and well maintained. I want the feedback and input from other early v12 owners about what I need to do to keep it in as nearly original condition as possible, and I enjoy looking for those odd, missing little parts that have disappeared or been altered over the years. Unfortunately, there are few owners of these cars out there, even fewer on a forum like this, which is dominated by owners of the more common models. So there's not a lot of chance or opportunity to talk in this forum about the car. For more info about the earlier cars, I tend to look to other forums for info, like Tom Yang's web site at http://www.tomyang.com/cars/ferrari.html. I get different things from each of the many different places I look and lurk. Just not much about early v12s here. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1176 Registered: 9-2001 |
I had a 1967 330GTC that I drove regularly. In fact, the a/c on the 330GTC was much better than the a/c on my 1986 328GTS. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2575 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mitch from this board drives his 400 daily. Giving this is not a 60s car but a 70s but still. I do not see why not. A Bentley is worth $200,000+ and nobody questiones them on the road, so why not drive a vintage V12 as a daily driver. Now personally with the heat index today at 110� I am more inclined to even keep the top up and let the AC crank, so I would not chose the older V12 with no or bad AC. Just my personal 2c | ||
| Terry Daniel (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 63 Registered: 9-2001 |
At our Arizona Ferrari Club events you will see a 365 GT 2+2 that is driven on almost every event and is in concours condition with the exception of a few paint chips or you could see a 275 short nose that looks like it might possibly have gone 100k miles or more and has not been polished in years. You could also see a 275 GTB long nose, a 330 GTS or a 250 GT PF Coupe both regularly driven on Ferrari events and rallies and beautifully taken care of and concours condition. We also have the editor of the 250 GTE registry that has a regularly driven 63 GTE. I wish we would see more of this, but like you say it could get expensive.  | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 334 Registered: 5-2002 |
Everybody in my circle drives and vintage races their v-12 Ferrari's. I know a guy that keeps some in an old airplane hanger and rarely washes them etc. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 357 Registered: 11-2001 |
bill - post some pics! doody. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 63 Registered: 4-2002 |
Not my ratty old 250GT. With a few rust holes on the back fender, and the original interior intact, I am amazed that it still runs under its own power. On Sunday afternoons, I usually choose it over the 308. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1375 Registered: 6-2001 |
At Lime Rock Bob Coates had his 365GTB/4 Daytona with over 100k miles, all original never rebuilt. Yes, he was racing it. The engine was a little dirty and there was a rust spot or two, but for a daily driver it was pretty good. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 123 Registered: 5-2002 |
I notice that most of the talk on this board concerns the 308 and later model Ferraris. Occasional concourse photos show some of the 60s V12 models, but most of them look like total restorations befitting a pampered life in air conditioned garages and trailering to shows. Rightfully so, because of their value. With the incredible value of these older models, are there very many "regular guys" who drive the older V12s. It would seem to me that the insurance costs alone would make driving an early V12 something reserved for high dollar dudes. Does any regular guy ever drive up to a car show in a ratty, unrestored, V12 Ferrari that he just uses for fun? I was at a very small local car show about 15 years ago and I spotted what I thought was a Cobra kit car. Upon closer examination, it was the real thing. With the exception of new paint, the car looked like the guy used it every other day. Dirt on the carpet, empty cans in the floorboard, everything well worn. So not everything of rarity is restored to the max. What say, are all the older V12 Ferraris fully restored show cars in the hands of millionaires? |