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Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 403
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:11 am: | |
Dave:
Cauley Ferrari on Orchard Lake Rd. in Farmington Hills is the authorized dealer. There are several non-authorized dealers that sell exotic and classic cars. One is Kip Sheward Motorsports in Keego Harbor. When I spoke to him at the Concourse Italian Style he had an F40, a 275 GTS and a Ford GT40 that once belonged to the Fittipaldis, among other cars.
There are several places connected with the auto industry that are worth seeing. Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village are obvious places. The main branch of the Detroit Library has one of the best collections of auto books in the world and many journalists use it to do research. If you are into wretched excess you could visit the auto baron's mansions. Henry Ford's in Dearborn, Edsel Ford's in Grosse Pointe, and Matilda Dodge Wilson's in Rochester.
For a really funky afternoon, visit Depot Town in Ypsilanti. There you will find Miller Motors, the only franchised Hudson Dealer still in existence, a museum devoted to Hudsons and autos from the surrounding area--Tucker (Preston Tucker lived a few blocks from the Dealership), Corvair (go ED Gault!!), etc. Have lunch at the Tucker Cafe run by Preston's obese grandson, visit RM Cars showroom (the same people who do the RM auctions and restoration services), and a museum for old fire engines in the old fire house.
If you need more information, or directions feel free to e-mail me. |
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
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Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 294
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 2:31 pm: | |
Thanks for all the info.
Where is the best place in Detroit to find Ferraris for sale.
Thanks, Dave |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 401
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:04 am: | |
If you want to avoid the crowds and still see some great cars, just visit Woodward Ave. any evening from Wednesday on. The out-of-towners arrive and take their cars out every night. Smaller crowds, less hassle, etc. Make sure you are on the right section of Woodward. the area you want to be in is bordered by 9 Mile Rd. on the South and Square Lake Rd. on the North. |
Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member
Username: Tkrefeld
Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 9:32 am: | |
DAve,
THe cruise is the weekend of the 17th (I think)
It is a large event w/ tons of people and you will probably not be able to park unless you go WAY early or know someone. But, if you're into cars(mainly US market) this is the place to be. It is eye candy for some people. You will see a few Porsche and Ferrari and Lotus but not much. There are a few dealers on the route w/ imports. Greektown downtown Detroit has good food, and the Casino right there is nice if your into that. Send me an email w/ the kind of things you like to do and I'll try to help. |
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member
Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 290
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 7:33 am: | |
Thanks Martin,
I will order it on Monday.
Have a great weekend,
Dave |
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
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Username: Mw360
Post Number: 518
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 6:32 pm: | |
Dave,
The magazine is Sports Car Market
keith Martin Publications
po box 16130
Portland,Or 97292-0130
Sub. is $36 FOR 12 ISSUES |
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member
Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 289
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:53 am: | |
From Detroit,
Have not been on for a few days.
Martin, what magazine is that and any contact/subscription info?
Bill, I am in Detroit for work and to see an exceptional woman. Have to get used to there not being any left turn signals at stop lights.
The woman and I communicate extremely well (she even loves Ferraris), but we are unfortuniately probably too different to make a long term go of it. So time in Detroit is probably limited. Anything you recommend to see/do in Detroit while I am here.
On work, my main speciality is working with people to drive technology across multiple disciplines to meet business goals. Of course this includes things like large Oracle databases, the Internet, Knowledge/Document Management, etc.
Old sales saying is that only about 20 % of deals work out. In today's world, it is probably 5 to 10 %. So not for sure which will work out or where I will mainly be.
Turned down Saudi Arbia for several reasons.
Main things in the works:
Intel is having problems at their Phoenix facility. They are interested in me comming down for about 3 months to help solve the problems. Talk to them again on Monday.
Abbott Labs in Chicago is interested in me for a combination management and technology position to introduce new systems. They are suppose to make me a firm offer today. However, it has to be approved by a committee which can create problems.
Hartford Insurance has a high priority problem that they cannot solve. On a computer screen, they want a form to change color depending on what has been done and what needs to be done. Also color will tell the user if a form is now obsolute. This will cut down costly errors and give the user much information at a glance. They cannot get it to work correctly. It sounds like a fun, interesting project. New England area is nice in the fall. I have been selected to get it to work, and insure that it meets business needs/goals. However, it has not been funded yet, but one of the Directors says it will be. Should know more next week.
Intel is paying nice. Hartford Insurance is about 50 % higher. Abbott is in between.
There are a few other minor nibbles.
If anyone hears of anything else good, let me know.
Just a poor, dumb Geek and Photographer,
Dave
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martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member
Username: Mw360
Post Number: 508
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 4:46 pm: | |
Dave,
After 40 to 50 yrs of car mag subscriptions I came across an ad in forza for sportscar market mag.
Just got my first copy and it is fabulous.Will answer all your questions.I don't know what took me so long to find it.(other chatters have recently mentioned it).
Martin |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 339
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 2:41 pm: | |
most muscle cars from the 60's were boring and ugly. they were family cars. There is some exceptions but production numbers were sky high. If it is not rare in mint shape I dont see it ever being worth much. While the baby boomer theory is true. It does seem that the boomers are aging and will leave cars to heirs. You cant cut them in half. They will be sold . I see glut of boring old cars coming. I dont see my kids and grandkids wanting a vintage caddy.JMHO |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 128
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 2:33 pm: | |
My question is: Who is actually paying these insane high dollar prices for Corvettes, musclecars, etc? I know alot of folks into these types of cars, and nobody that I know has paid those insane dealer prices for their cars. Who is is buying this stuff? Hasn't anybody heard of the bad economy? Maybe the millionaires haven't, but the average guy who likes those type of cars has probably got a wife and kids and big house payment and can't afford to pay $50,000 for some musclecar. I think alot of the talk concerning the upturn in the musclecar market is just a bunch of hype from the dealer and auction community itself trying to build the market potential back up to its late 1980s frenzy. I know people who could buy any $50,000 musclecar that they want, but they are smart enough to know that they aren't really worth that kind of money. It's going to take alot of forgetfull thinking to get some guy to pay $50,000 for a car like the one he saw on a used car lot in 1972 for $2500. Most people that I know are not that forgetfull! |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 9:43 am: | |
IMHO muscle cars of the 60s will continue to outpace Ferraris and other exotics in collectability and value. Those cars were the dream cars of baby boomers who now have the money and the free time to buy and enjoy them. And, while they may have made a lot of them , a lot of them have been scrapped as they were just cars back then. I recently looked a restored 1959 Caddy convertable that the guy wanted $90,000.00 for. I passed, but someone will buy that car. It was perfect. And , those old classics are reliable and can be repaired and maintained with parts from your local Pep Boys. |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 388
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 9:34 am: | |
Here are links for both events.
Dream Cruise:
http://dreamcruise.org/
RM Auction:
http://www.rmcars.com/auctions/WW02.cfm
What brings you to Detroit so often?
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Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member
Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 288
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 9:12 am: | |
Tell me more about these two weekends - I might try to make them. I will be in Detroit this afternoon.
Will there be any Ferraris to see?
Dave |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 386
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 7:51 am: | |
These things go in spurts. Muscle cars and hot rods are cool right now. Ferrari's were passed by because they don't fit in that genre, although someone recently built a 550 powered hot rod that got a lot of press.
Here in Detroit we have a huge cruise weekend that attracts thousands of cars and over a million spectators every year. It's called the Woodward Dream Cruise. All the car manufacturers get in the act. RM Cars have a Muscle Car/Hot Rod auction this weekend (so the big spenders and poseurs can find a ride) and the Dream Cruise is the following weekend. |
Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member
Username: Davel
Post Number: 192
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 7:26 am: | |
Its been big news for about 3yrs or so. I was at Barrett Jackson in 2000 and it was amazing. BelAir converts and older American muscle well into the 5 figures and high 5's.
This year was more of the same but the series 1 E-type Jags were huge. Especially the ragtop series 1's. Ferraris have been doing ok there but they had to be the more rare and traditional high money models; Daytona's and Spyders, 275 4 cams etc. I dont think Ferrari has been passed by as the market for some but not all American Muscle etc has just been getting warmer. |
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member
Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 287
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 6:59 am: | |
There is an article in today's USA Today about a boom in classic muscle car investing and sales - article probably on the web.
I am currently not interested in this, but who knows about the future. I am curious though.
Has the list found that there is actually a boom in classic muscle cars? If so, why has it passed Ferrari by (at least on the common Ferraris)? How are the other exotics doing?
Thanks for info and thoughts.
Dave
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