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L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 111
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 3:28 am: | |
THANK YOU, Edvar! I'm going to check out your site right now.
Wayne |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member
Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 71
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 3:14 am: | |
Wayne, that were some impressive posts. As I noticed that you're interested in serialnumbers, I might have a nice suggestion for you. Maybe you want to join my "Telaio Mailing List". It's a (private) mailing list to discuss everything about serialnumbers and histories of individual cars. Among the members are many well-known Ferrari historians. Please check my website for more info: http://www.red-headed.com and then go to the "Telaio" section. I just changed server, so the website is still a bit of a mess, sorry. Please email me at <[email protected]> for any questions.
And to go back to your original question: I don't know the answer, but I do know that MANY members of my mailing list have seen and photographed the car. I'm sure one of them can give you the answer you need ....
Best regards, Edvar van Daalen
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L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 84
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 3:36 pm: | |
Jens,
This is the same site that states that the interior is brown and blue cloth. http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Events/50_anni_Ferrari/50.2.html
The pictures were taken while the car was in Rome for the 50th anniversary celebration. Did anyone here attend? |
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
New member
Username: Jh280774
Post Number: 39
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 3:23 pm: | |
Never mind, Wayne. Bought the tickets one month before the event from the dealer. Would have loved to take some pics of this bella macchina.
On Barchetta.net there are some actual photos which you surely might have seen. The interior seems to be brown there. Picture were taken around 97.
Adress is:http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0456AM.375MM.htm
Con saluti cordiali,
Jens Haller |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 77
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 1:33 pm: | |
That's a different 375 MM, s/n 0402AM. Jon and Mary Shirley still have that car. Rossellini owned several Ferraris. While he was waiting for completion of a total rebody on s/n 0402AM (was originally a 375 MM PF Spyder) by Scaglietti, he purchased 0456AM after seeing it at the Paris Salon. The story goes that he purchased the car as a gift for Ingrid Bergman, but according to relatives of both Rossellini and Bergman, it's more likely he just bought the car for himself. |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Username: Willis360
Post Number: 854
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 1:27 pm: | |
I thought the Rossellini 375MM is in the Jon Shirley collection. The local FCA toured his collection last year and I remembered that the car was the Rossellini car. Was that car sold? |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 76
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 1:27 pm: | |
Thanks Jens. I hope you didn't go there only on my account. After I posted on Sunday, I realized that it was much too late to stop you. I hope you enjoyed it, in spite of the rain. Again, many thanks for offering assistance!
Wayne |
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
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Username: Jh280774
Post Number: 38
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 1:21 pm: | |
You are right of course! I am sorry! Saw Sages car at the Ring yesterday (August in Germany: It rained the whole day long! Now I can wash my car again for some hours to get rid of the dirt!) and obviously it was a "standard" 375MM. Still a suberb car,though.
Hope you get the information you want otherwise.
Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 68
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 9:09 pm: | |
WM,
Yes, it is an article written by Ed Niles, as you can see. |
wm hart (Whart)
Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 451
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 8:45 pm: | |
Will look at link. Was it about ed niles, who owned the car at one time? Don't know what 1777 started life as, know it only from the Nembo reincarnation which was, as you rightly put it, a profound design. Car was up for auction a few months ago, and as i recall, didn't meet its reserve.
As to Sheehan, yeah, he is very knowledgeable, but i am wary. If i could pay him for research, and advice, perhaps i'd do it and, i guess as long as i have somebody i trust (i do) to vet the car mechanically and historically, i could deal with him. thanks for reminding me.
The 330 gts is not easy to come by and i'd love to find one in that old, mellow yellow they made before it turned into school bus "fly" yellow; you know, what the Brits call "primrose" on E-types. I have only had a couple of "older" ferraris, and in both cases (an 83 boxer and an 89 328) i was fortunate to buy really pristine cars, so with one of 66-68 vintage, i am even more wary. Alot of these cars don't seem to have fully documented histories, in the same way that the really big cars do, so i am even more dependent on intelligent mechanical inspection and good anecdotal "research" type history.
I have had 6 f-cars so far, started with them only about 5 years ago when i resumed driving after a 20year hiatus, and i too, have loved them since childhood. Nice to meet you and welcome to the board: you have alot to contribute. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 64
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 7:29 pm: | |
WM,
I have to agree that s/n 1777GT is a beautiful car. Surely it was an influence on PF's design for the 275 GTB.
For an interesting account by a man who actually owned this car, check out: http://www.fca-sw.org/sw/article.asp?id=310
A great source if you're looking to buy a vintage Ferrari is Michael Sheehan here in So. California. He's spent years cataloging these cars and has in his database virtually every vintage Ferrari, who owns it now, where it's been, etc. You can visit his site at: http://www.ferraris-online.com/
As for myself, I became fascinated with Ferraris while in the military and stationed on the Monterey Penninsula, home of a group of annual car events, including the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance and the Concorso Italiano. My first love was a 250 GT/L. I went out and purchased Dean Batchelor's "Ferrari Buyer's Guide" and became hooked. I've since built up a home library on Ferraris including almost every book on the subject written in English and complete collections of Cavallino, Forza, Ferrari World, and Ferrari Italian Style magazines (missing a few early issues of Cavallino). I began attending every automotive event possible and I even built a database by serial number on certain models (sorry, not the 330/365 GTS, although that wouldn't be too difficult as there are only 99 330's and 20 365's). Eventually, I became a certfied Ferrari nut, obsessed with knowledge on everything Ferrari. I know it sounds a little wacko, but I am what I am.
Over the years, I've ALMOST purchased a 250 GT/L, a 330 GTC, and a 365 GTB/4, only to be talked out of it each time by my then-wife. Now that the wife is no longer, the Lusso is sounding attractive.
Anyway, that's me in a nutshell for all to see. What's your story?
Wayne |
wm hart (Whart)
Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 448
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 6:37 pm: | |
Mea Culpa. Prunet,Road Cars at 112 (preferred reference over F&M).My fav is Nembo 1777, not quite the heritage of the "king's" rides, but love the lines. So, what is your background, since you seem quite knowledgeable and are new to this board. And let me pick your brain...How to research extant 330/365 gts? Would like to find a truly cherry one (but not a red one) for myself. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 63
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 6:14 pm: | |
WM,
The ex-King Leopold III of Belgium's first Ferrari was the 1953 342 America Cabriolet s/n 0234AL, which was recently restored and has been making it's rounds at the various events (I photographed the car at Pebble Beach last August). The car I'm referring to, however, is the much more famous 375 Plus Cabriolet (the only one, as the other four 375 Plus's were PF Spyders) s/n 0488AM. This car is considered by many to be one of the most beautiful Ferraris ever. (BTW, it also had an altimeter, mounted in the glove box door.)
As far as the author of the article in Forza, it's funny you should mention that. His name is Peter Vack and he is the Editor-in-Chief for VelocePress. I've been discussing a book idea with Mr. Vack and VelocePress CEO Stephen Glenn and didn't want to ask for fear of sounding ignorant. The car, after all, has been trotted around to just about every concours event at some time or another and I have just happened to miss it each time. It is an extremely well-known Ferrari and, though it has been mentioned in every thorough book on Ferraris and has been photographed many times, no magazine (including Cavallino) has ever done an article on the car and I have found no pictures of the interior.
Oh well, if all else fails, I'll simply have to ask. Thanks for offering assistance.
Wayne |
wm hart (Whart)
Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 446
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 5:36 pm: | |
Who did the resto? Call them? There was a big article in Forza not so long ago about RR; maybe the author knows something, too? I'm sure the car was covered in Cavallino (probably more than once:- same approach)...I don't think i've ever seen the car in the flesh. (oh, yeah, also, call the Petersen, they are pretty good, and thru them, all those big guy collectors seem to know each other).NB: i think the King's car was a 342, not a 375 "plus" which was a special beast in its own way. The "King's" car used to reside not far from where i live in Westchester, till it was sold a couple times and then restored. Love that altimeter. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 57
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 3:08 pm: | |
Thanks for offering Jens, but Jean Sage's 375 MM is s/n 0358AM, a standard Pinin Farina berlinetta. The car I'm researching is 0456AM, a one-off speciale that debuted at the Paris Salon in 1954 and was subsequently purchased by Italian film director Roberto Rossellini (supposedly as an anniversay gift for then-wife Ingrid Bergman).
I know where the car is, it actually belongs to attorney Wayne Golomb of Springfield, Illinois (also the owner af the famed "King Leopold" 375 Plus Cabriolet 0488AM).
I have written to Mr. Golomb but have not received a reply. I was able to recover his phone number when I got his address, but I don't want to call the man up at home and start asking him questions about one of his cars. That would be extremely rude.
The reference to the car's interior that I found on the Web is at this address: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Events/50_anni_Ferrari/50.2.html
and describes the interior as brown and blue cloth.
Again, it was very courteous of you to offer to take photos, thanks.
Wayne |
Jens Haller (Jh280774)
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Username: Jh280774
Post Number: 36
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 1:02 pm: | |
The car belongs to Jean Sage from France. At the moment it takes part at the Oldtimer Grand Prix on the Nürburgring this weekend. I will go there with my car tomorrow and will happily be able to take some photos of the car and its interior of course. Can post the pics of the car in several days if you are interested.
Con saluti cordialissimi,
Jens Haller
P.S. IMO the 375MM is one of the best and good looking Ferraris ever designed by Pininfarina. A real masterpiece! |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
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Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 19
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 1:30 pm: | |
Has anyone seen the "Ingrid Bergman" Ferrari 375 MM s/n 0456AM in person? I know that it has made several appearances at various Ferrari events over the years. I'm trying to find out exactly what the interior color is. Photos I have of the car as it appeared at the 1954 Paris Salon show it with what looks like a reddish-brown interior, as do photos of the car as it is today (different exterior color), however, I came across a reference to the car on the web that stated the interior was brown and blue. Blue interior? Can anybody clarify this for me? Does anybody have photos of the interior? |
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