| Author | Message | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 239 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've come across a few garage queens on e-bay that end up for sell with extremely low miles and heavy body damage... This doesn't sit well with me.. Drive your cars gents that's why we work hard to get them... | ||
| Peter K. (Bubba)
Junior Member Username: Bubba Post Number: 92 Registered: 5-2002 |
Cool! I am going to see the 512TR this weekend. Think it's also a 94 model. If everything goes well, should be in my garage next week. Can't wait! | ||
| Berthold Klotz (Rueschenberg)
New member Username: Rueschenberg Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sorry, I misquoted. I checked last night -- my car is a 1994 model. | ||
| Nick (Nick_wood)
New member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2002 |
I have had my 360 for 3 weeks now and have put 1500 miles on it.... I think the newer cars are built to be used Nick | ||
| Berthold Klotz (Rueschenberg)
New member Username: Rueschenberg Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Peter -- My 512TR is a 1992 model, and I believe it has about 50,000 km (30,000 miles). Generally speaking, this car has been very reliable. The most common problem we have with this car is when customers damage the syncros. Shifting a 512 requires a bit more skilled driver than some of the newer Ferraris. But anyone who drives it absolutely loves it. The sound and feel of a rear engine V12 Ferrari is like none other. | ||
| Peter K. (Bubba)
Junior Member Username: Bubba Post Number: 90 Registered: 5-2002 |
Berthold, I have been to your web site before. Quite a collection you got there. Very impressive. What year is your 512TR? How do you rate its reliability? I am thinking of getting one. Thanks! | ||
| Berthold Klotz (Rueschenberg)
New member Username: Rueschenberg Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2002 |
This is my first post.... Happy to now be a participating member of this chat group!! The reason for higher-mileage, newer Ferraris is simple: Reliability. We have over 30 Ferraris in our collection here in Europe, ranging back to the 208, 288GTO, and 308, all the way up to the new models. The newer Ferraris are just so good -- so reliable and durable -- that its easy to accumulate miles. We have found the older cars are a bit "moodier." (You will note I did NOT say "better"!!) They act up more often, and end up spending more time in the garage, for various reasons. Any Ferrari from the 348 and newer is very much more reliable. We have a 1997 550 Maranello in our collection that has almost 70,000 kilometers (over 42,000 miles) of some pretty hard driving. The car still performs spectacularly -- as new. All we have replaced is the clutch, breaks, tires, and some coolant hoses. Don't be concerned about newer Ferraris with over 30,000 miles -- they can take it! As long as they are maintained in the proper manner, these cars will last much longer than most Ferraristi would believe! Berthold Klotz | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 852 Registered: 8-2001 |
Greater reliability is the key. Coming back from the Oregon tour on Saturday (beautiful backroads, by the way), I got stuck in a huge traffic jam in Portland. The F1 system handled the stop and go traffic just fine and didn't lurch or sputter at all (dispite what the magazines said). All gauges stayed within normal ranges even after some spirited driving during the tour. Had the a/c on at medium blast for the cruise back toward Seattle and the car is just as comfortable as a sports sedan. These cars just beg to be driven hard and for distance. Now if the car could clean itself after the trip, it would be the perfect car.  | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 233 Registered: 5-2002 |
I feel that more people are driving the newer F-cars due to how much more reliable they have become.. They drive easier in heavy traffic and so much more comfortable... When I do pick up my F-car, I do plan to add some miles on it.... | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 453 Registered: 12-2001 |
I wonder whether the obsession with mileage grew out of the 80's-early90's speculation boom; people were buying the late models as "investments" and expected to simply flip the cars for more money rather than drive them; thus, it was a real negative for the "inventory" to appear used in any way. I was not into owning these cars in the 70's before that nonsense occurred, but suspect, apart from the usual shabby practice of misrepresenting the cars, that the obsession with low mileage was not as strong among the buying public. Also, in those days, there were fewer cars, and fewer people buying them, and at least in the era of the coach built ferrari, i suspect that most of these cars were driven without regard to resale value, other than those held by collectors. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 318 Registered: 12-2001 |
Typically, instrument clusters are completely electronic with 1 or several large plugs that defeat more than just the speedo if disconnected. The ecm also needs a vehicle speed input to perform calculations for fuel and ignition tables. Unplugging the vehicle speed sensor at the trans will cause driveability problems on most cars and a check engine light to turn on. Some later cars record mileage in the pcm which can be retrieved with a scan tool if the vehicle speed sensor wasnt unplugged. Some cars use the wheel speed sensors for the abs to get vehicle speed through a network to the pcm from the abs control module. It gets harder to disconnect things on newer cars. I think they are not being disconnected like the old low mileage 308's were. If I had a 360 with the F1 option, I wouldnt disconnect the speedo without fear of lunching the gearbox. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 851 Registered: 8-2001 |
I think people are using them more. At least the owners around here do. I've put on over 11K miles on my 2001 Modena. And I feel I don't use it enough. I think there's at least one other 360 here with over 30K miles on the clock. It's a shame people have to resort to deception in an effort to get a higher resale price. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2605 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have heard this from BMW and Mercedes but never from Ferrari. Further I believe Ferrari has no real interest in putting devices on their cars to do that. This would expose that truely most cars are being disconnected once in their life! | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 154 Registered: 8-2001 |
The new odometers are electronic, so I would think they would be harder to disconnect (possibly may have some other VITAL device attached in line). I have heard that with the new odometers, if one could disconnect them, that the car still keeps recording the TRUE mileage, and that figure can be obtained by the dealer, when they plug in the diagnostic test equipment. Can this be? | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 296 Registered: 8-2001 |
It seems like the newer Ferraris for sale have more miles on them than the older Ferraris. Are the odometers on the newer cars harder to disconnect or roll back? Or are people using them more? |