| Author | Message | ||
| acw (Acw)
Junior Member Username: Acw Post Number: 90 Registered: 2-2002 |
Shifing is very easy. Simply don't move the throttle. What needs to be learned is launching the car. Too much throttle and the car won't be smooth at all (like when you release a clutch too fast on a manual car). Not enough and the car launches too slow. While learning expect some cases where you use too much throttle, reduces it, then add back, etc... In my opinion, these too much, not enough situation makes the car feel jerky. I can now launch my car without any problem. I found that the best way to proceed is to commit to some throttle degree and stick with it until the car is launched, then switch to second. ACW | ||
| Kevin Johnson (Jammy)
Junior Member Username: Jammy Post Number: 59 Registered: 3-2002 |
First off, this is not a question intended to argue the toss over 6sp vs. F1. I'm genuinely interested to know what this means: "To like the F1, you need to have driven and practiced for a good 100 miles or two" Several people have said this; I thought it referred to feathering the throttle when pulling for the next gear but on a previous thread it was pointed out that this will confuse the computer. So what is there to practice and/or what are you doing differently to achieve smooth shifts? Thanks | ||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2002 |
i have had them both and much prefer the traditional 6-speed. the f1 is too jerky in traffic. but really........how can you go wrong with either transmission?? | ||
| ALAIN DEGRAEVE (Alain)
New member Username: Alain Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2002 |
I bought the F1 360 spider without ever having tried previously except in a late 355 which I hated. I must say that I am absolutely thrilled about it. I have has my share of problems. My car was is the shop for more than 3 weeks to fix a "slipping clutch" problem. In traffic, the car would make the beeping noice when going from standstill into 1st. It drove me nuts. Then it started to smell like burn. I brought the car to the dealer who took it apart, told me that the flywheel was warped. The thruth is that that the "initial point of contact" in the clutch was programmed to start too late. This caused slippage and build up on the flywheel. In any event, living in the mountains, i have the opportunity to really really drive the car. The F1 shifting for hard driving it incredible. In town, I don't like it so much. It really all depends where you will be using it. There is just no way that you can shift as fast manually as with the F1. My foot doesn't come of the gas, my hands stay on the steering wheel. You just concentrate on the road and you GO. Yeah! | ||
| acw (Acw)
Junior Member Username: Acw Post Number: 88 Registered: 2-2002 |
The engine sound of the F1 box blipping the throttle is in my opinion a good reason to buy a F1. I took the following video last time at Willow Spring to try to capture the sound. Hopefully that will give you an idea. Anyway, if you are not sure, test drive both. ACW http://128.242.229.237/acw/wspring/360OneLap.WMV | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Junior Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 116 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ernesto: the problem with clutch on the 6 speed is clutch release bearing guide support and sleaves needs to be changed. apparently the parts were defective and the clutch pedal would start sticking. They just repaired mine under warranty without an issue. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 573 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have heard quite the opposite: that the F1 clutches last much longer, since there is no room for human error, ie riding the clutch, missed shifts, and other harmful acts that can hurt the clutch. In the F1, every shift is perfect and you never ride the clutch. Mine is also as stong as ever. However, I have already seen various manuals (newer than mine) at the dealer for clutch replacement and other problems. Ernesto | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 129 Registered: 8-2001 |
I think the problem is that most (I would say all) those who prefer the 6sp either do not own an F1 (obviously) or have driven the F1 once, maybe twice. Well, here's the hitch. To like the F1, you need to have driven and practiced for a good 100 miles or two. Once you have, chances are you'll be as enthusiastic about the F1 as all of us who own one are. After 18 months, I have absolutely no regrets and further, I don't know anyone who owns an F1 and would want to switch. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 866 Registered: 8-2001 |
Where did you hear the F1 burn out clutches quicker, Frank? I've gone over 11K miles without mechanical problems. Still running as strong as ever. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1207 Registered: 9-2001 |
Go with the 6 speed if you plan to use the car on the street. The F1 is great for the track but is a little lacking on the street from what I have heard. The F1 burns out clutches a lot quicker too. | ||
| Fred (Iluv4res)
New member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wayne, I am asking because I have never driven a F-1, only manual. I like the idea of the F-1, but I was initially put off by the thought of repairing it if ever necessary. Both from a financial as well as having the technicians qualified point of view. Also, with any 'newer' item, I questioned reliability. Now that this has been around for a little while and seems to hold-up ok, I am warming up to it more. I think I like the idea of manual shifting better, but, like I said, I never drove the F-1. Just curious for opinions that come from experience. That will influence my future purchasing decisions. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have a friend with an F360 F1. He tels of a story where he was dringin down an interstate-quality road, observing the speed limit (sort of), and was bored to death. He got the idea of shifting the car from 6-5-4-5-6 back and forth. He got to the point where he could play tunes on the engine with the shifter (whoaaa, wheee, whiinne, wheee). He ends the story with the data that he has 20K miles and 400,000 shifts on the car. Myself, I prefer the snick snick shifting I get in My 355 without the F1. But then I'm not trying to be the fastest kid on the block (thats for the younger braver chapps). I like to go fast, and drive well, and I love the extra involvement and mental concentration required to stay ahead of the manual shifter. To each their own. | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have driven both and prefer the 6 speed. I know the F1 will be a lot of fun on the track and probably a lot more efficient, but like all aspects of Ferrari the 6 speed with gated shift is a very special (not practical) aspect that cannot be explained easily. I love the sound of shifting gears. I like (even though I am not very good at it) double clutching. I know that all of my reasons are not reasonable, but that is part of a Ferrari that I really like. That and the air horn! Why did the old woman swallow a fly, I don't know why! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 103 Registered: 8-2002 |
Follow this link: http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/2587.html This is only one thread. It looks like there are others as well. | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 30 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sounds like I missed some good discussions. I'll have to look for that "heated" thread.  | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 102 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, I know this thread is going to get out of hand so I'll make it brief. I've driven the 360 F1 only once and hated it but, everybody who likes them says that it took some time before it grew on them and now they are glad they bought it. That said, I do have a friend that bought an F1 to avoid waiting longer for a 6-speed. He's had the car for over a year now and regrets not waiting for the 6-speed. Fred, are you in the market and trying to make a decision or just starting up an interesting conversation? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 861 Registered: 8-2001 |
Yes, a lot of people think the gearboxes in the F1 and manual are different. They want to compare it to the tiptronic system in Porsches. I always have to tell them that it's exactly the same as the manual. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 379 Registered: 2-2002 |
True Viken - what I understood by the term (F1 Gearbox) was the set of mechanicals which actually change the gears for you...... hydraulics, paddles, electronics....yadda yadda yadda | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 860 Registered: 8-2001 |
The F1 hasn't failed me yet. Smooth out after some experience. The magazines just don't know what they're talking about when they panned it. | ||
| Viken Bedrossian (Vikenb)
Junior Member Username: Vikenb Post Number: 181 Registered: 5-2001 |
>> I have a mate who tells me that Ferraris F1 shift is not selling as well as they would like - to the point where they've actually got MASSIVE STOCKPILES of F1 gearboxes piling up. << Interesting comment considering that the 6-speed and F1 gearboxes are identical. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 378 Registered: 2-2002 |
Can of worms indeed....... Listen to this guys - I have a mate who tells me that Ferraris F1 shift is not selling as well as they would like - to the point where they've actually got MASSIVE STOCKPILES of F1 gearboxes piling up. This is a costly option on the 360/575 and some people have been given it for FREE as Ferrari are actually trying to make a real big effort to push it because it's costing them money. hmmm....... | ||
| Nick (Nick_wood)
New member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 49 Registered: 3-2002 |
I ordered the 6-speed orginally then Ferrari called and said if I wanted a car sooner I could get the F1...needless to say I bought a F1 which arrived 3 weeks ago. My expectations have been surpassed by the F1..I love it. I find in smooth when I want and visciously quick when I want. Just need practice which after 3 weeks with close to 1500 miles I am getting better and better. No-one can make your mind up for you and 1 test drive will not do it.... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 561 Registered: 2-2001 |
Fred, you are opening up a can of worms here. There has been much heated discussion regarding this subject, and you can search for the threads on this site. I say F1, which is what I have. But other people here seem to prefer the manual because of the added driver involvement. I have had no problems with mine, still love it after two years, and is very smooth. Ernesto | ||
| Fred (Iluv4res)
New member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2002 |
Any input regarding a manual vs. F-1 Tranny on an F-car? Good, bad, indifferent?????? |