| Author | Message | ||
| Mark Izzo (Tdf355)
Junior Member Username: Tdf355 Post Number: 85 Registered: 3-2002 |
Anyone else? | ||
| Brett Summerer (2tall)
New member Username: 2tall Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2002 |
I raced one in my Viper last weekend. My Viper is one SERIOUSLY fast car. (11.8 in the quarter) The GT2 beat me. Nothing NOTHING else that I've run into can claim that feat. 'nuff said. As far as BMW engines blowing up, that's actually somewhat typical BMW behavior. BMW pushes their engines to the max, so if you add on, it can't really handle it. | ||
| Tony (Tony_fl)
New member Username: Tony_fl Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2002 |
I don't know about California but there are a lot of GT2's that can be bought for sticker. I am thinking of buying one now that they are selling at MSRP. | ||
| Patrick (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2002 |
I love the GT2's... there is one @ http://www.suncoastporsche.com/ if you are interested. Patrick  | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
New member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 38 Registered: 5-2002 |
I heard of the same thing happening when they were doing 0-60 testing for the Ford RS200 Evolution. Stig Blumqvist would get a 3.1 second 0-60 mph time, but when they drew a chalk outline along the length of the driveshaft, they found that it had corkscrewed itself one and a half times! Crazy time for power, that was... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 576 Registered: 2-2001 |
Terry, regarding the twisting of the driveshafts, it has happened to my Supra two or three times already. It last dynoed at 743hp, but should be putting out more than 800hp by now. Anyway, attached are two photos of the driveshaft (I have since upgraded to a carbon fiber unit).   | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 219 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave, I bet we read the same article on the early 80's BMW turbo F1 engines. In Motorsport magazine about a year ago or so. The most amazing thing about that period in F1 development was the comments on some of the development problems they had. Specifically, the driveshafts. They kept breaking driveshafts and in did some testing to figure out why. Turns out the Turbo motors were putting so much power down so abruptly with the turbo lag that the drive shafts were being twisted through a full 360 degrees before snapping! I imagine that would make for an interesting engineering problem! | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 575 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes, I agree they are in a different league... Ernesto | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 461 Registered: 12-2001 |
I think that P car is in a different league than the F-cars you can buy for the same money. Buy the porsche; you can always sell it and get a ferrari (or two) if you tire of it.(no pun intended). | ||
| Fred (Iluv4res)
New member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2002 |
For only $200k, I say get it!!! You only live once. By the way, can I get a ride!!!! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1385 Registered: 6-2001 |
That is pretty crazy. 1000hp per liter!! We make a big deal out of 100hp per liter. That number is impressive, but i wouldnt want an engine with that kind of specific output. The idea of rebuilding an engine every few hundred miles isnt appealing! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 108 Registered: 8-2002 |
I work for a Porsche/Audi/BMW/VW dealer here in SoCal. We recently sold a GT2 for approx $240K, about $50K over sticker. The car is still hot and if the dealer is willing to let the car go for sticker right now, it's a bargain. As far as comparing the GT2 to a 575M, Terry is absolutely right. The GT2 is more comparable to the F40/F50/Enzo. Personally, I would MUCH rather have any of the 3 Ferraris, but the GT2 is a killer on the track for the $ spent. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 300 Registered: 1-2002 |
Actually, the 1980's BMW F1 engines were from the 320i. Specifically, BMW found that new blocks tended to grenade when hopped up to 1100 HP, but engines with approx. 100,000 km on them preformed best. Something in the heat cycling putting that many klicks on the engine made the metal MUCH more durable. I believe they were downstroked from 2.0 liters to 1.4 liters, and made close to 1400 hp in qualifying trim! 1000 hp per liter---UNREAL! | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 215 Registered: 4-2002 |
I guess that is true. After all the early '80s BMW F1 engine was built on a stock BMW 2002 engine block.... and they got over 1100hp in qualifying trim. Of coarse it tended to grenade in a big way after 2 laps! The GT2 can be generate 700hp reliably is what I meant. Still, its like comparing a new Porsche Boxster S to a Lotus Elise or Exige. Both are great cars but they dont exactly appeal to the same target market now do they? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 565 Registered: 2-2001 |
Almost any engine can be tweaked to over 700hp, but I agree that they are two different animals that cant be compared. Ernesto | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 214 Registered: 4-2002 |
Comparing a 550m to a GT2 isnt a very good comparison. One is a high performance luxury GT car, the other is a street legal racecar. If your looking for something to do track days with that offers no compromise performance, the GT2 cant be beat. Its a beast of a car! I dont believe you can purchase a faster new car off the lot, its pretty much the top dog (not counting limited production stuff like a Saleen sportsracer or one of the 962 street cars...). If your looking for a car to drive more frequently on the street that offers more comfort ect, perhaps something else makes more sense. Me, I would go for the GT2! That engine can be tweaked to well over 700hp! | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
Junior Member Username: Doug308 Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2001 |
Last week there was a yellow one on the floor of my local dealer with a sticker price of $189k. | ||
| Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2002 |
The dealer was offering the car at MSRP, So you could flip the car and make some $$$. There will be only 157 of those cars into the US, but not to worry for that kind of Jack I would be in a 550m or a P 959 | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 865 Registered: 8-2001 |
Looks like asking prices for the GT2s' coming down. Usually see them in the mid 200Ks Don't give in to the darkside, Robert! | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 562 Registered: 2-2001 |
Damn... for $197K you could buy a 550M... Ernesto | ||
| Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 141 Registered: 3-2002 |
Sorry for the non Ferrari post, but my local dealer has a GT-2 on the floor for 197,000. It is possible that the person that ordered the car may back out. I went over to look at the car and sit in it, and I must say it is very nice, and much more radical than the 996 tt |