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Jess (Volleygirl_115)
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Username: Volleygirl_115
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 3:48 pm: | |
Ok all you big car lover's out there I need your help I have a project where I have to find out all of the different branches of cars like what each and every type of car has or was branched off into like Ford-Mercury-and Lincoln then Mercury to Lincoln and such but for all cars if you guys have any info can you please e-mail me at [email protected] By Wed 3-19-03 ~thanks in advance~
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Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 59
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 9:51 am: | |
I really appreciate all your input. Very valuable. Originally I wasn't thinking of sinking tons of money into the idea and making a feature film of it. I just want to see the cars I love.
Michael: so you are pitching this idea or one similar to some guys? I will email you. |
Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
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Username: Chuck_98_rt10
Post Number: 35
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:24 pm: | |
Jim, any chance your stepdad can set me up with a date with Debbie Mattenopolis??? |
Tenney (Tenney)
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Username: Tenney
Post Number: 213
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:52 pm: | |
A candid, day in the life-type docu behind the scenes at the Ferrari offices/factory/test facilities, etc. could be cool if well-detailed. Could probably get some interesting stuff following Dario Benuzzi around for a bit, for example.
Additionally, a 70mm (IMAX) Ferrari experience might garner some interest here and there.
To accomplish either properly, a fair bit of Fiat/Ferrari cooperation would likely be required. That said, prepared at an A-level, either might be of enough interest to Ferrari from a marketing standpoint that they may be persuaded to ante up some cash production-wise. Could run the film(s) in showrooms, auto shows, website, etc. |
Michael Yurinko (Gage)
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Username: Gage
Post Number: 15
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:23 pm: | |
I have a pitch meeting in two weeks with some guys. I'm going to develope an idea and pitch it for a side project.
I feel that there's an untapped non-owner market for exotic car DVDs. Something more than just beauty passes. A real look into the magic of these machines and "The Ferrari Way Of Life".
I'll let everyone know how I do.
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David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 238
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 6:03 pm: | |
I did my A.S.C. internship at Universal studios in the late 70's... Boy that makes me feel old now.
I got rid of all my Arri and Eclair 35mm gear a little over a year ago and my Eclair 16mm gear within the last year...
Most of what I shoot now is all CCD cameras,
or if I DP on a film shoot they just rent what I tell them they need.
I also own a non-linear digital audio/video edit suite where we do custom score, motion graphics, sound design, blah blah blah...
I find myself shooting less and less now though, as I also do voiceover and narration work on a national level, which has really picked up within the last 3 years...
It's just more lucrative to slave over a hot microphone now than to travel about the country working on a film or TV show, the good ol' hurry up and wait routine....
Boy did I have nothing to do today or what, I'm rambling on like my wife!
At any rate, the research I did showed that most would not pay for a general here's a neat looking Testarossa video for 35 bucks...
But a limited number of folks, "those serious about buying there first Ferrari/and Ferrari owners" seemed to be willing to pay 50 bucks for a DVD that would walk them through the process of shopping for an entry level Ferrari.
A buyers guide if you will, that would help them from possibly making a 30 grand mistake...
So, that is just what I have in the works, a DVD that will cover the 308 series of cars, how each one is a little different, what to look for when checking a 308 for the first time, through how to maintain the car once you buy one...
Lots of great video of each model, as well as wonderful sound, so prospective buyers will know things before they buy aftermarket parts, like how a tubi will sound compared to a stock muffler.
A few Ferrarichat members have contributed there thoughts on what should be included in such a DVD, and of course any thought anyone might have would be very welcome as well...
Still rambling, ... must get a beer..... must get a beer... |
George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
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Username: Oof_n_goof
Post Number: 70
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 1:55 pm: | |
for $14.95, I might consider it |
Michael Yurinko (Gage)
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Username: Gage
Post Number: 13
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 1:44 pm: | |
Your're not telling me anything new. I've been shooting film for years and I know exactly what's involved. I own much of the equipment needed including computer based editors that spit out EDLs. I've won a slew of national awards for my commercials and I just finished a feature film. I have strong relationships in the film and video industry including major distribution companies.
With that said, there is nothing in motion with this yet. We are just talking and I did suggest shooting digital to be the best format.
Regardless of format, a pointless argument at this time, there is market research to be done first. That will determine the budget. So going back to this origianl post, would you buy this? If enough people say yes, it might be worth our time to write up a prospectus and budget. Then we need investors which is another hoop-la to deal with.
I would most certainly buy a well produced 1.5 hour long Ferrari DVD for $50. |
David Jones (Dave)
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 236
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:12 am: | |
Movie camera, If your talking shooting film, I hope you have a big budget... Take my word for it, Film stock is expensive... even if you were the best cinematographer in the world, and you could shoot 1 to 1, that is make every shot perfect with no wasted footage, that's still a good chunk of change for film stock to cover say 60min of end product, or what ever the final length of your production will be.
You will also need said equipment, which is expensive to own or rent... I know what the going rate is as I have not to long ago sold most of my 35mm and 16mm film gear...
So lets see, to shoot film you will need a Camera body, viewfinder, video tap, film mags, batteries, camera motor, an assortment of different lens, filters, mattebox, sticks, head, other assorted mounts, cables, portable timecode DAT or Nagra to record sync sound, Mics, This is just the short list...
Then x number of 400ft rolls of film, and DAT tape...
Then after shooting, film developing cost...
And then Telecine cost, If your project is going to air on video then it will need to be transferred from film to video with the timecode DAT audio synced in a Rank, or other type of Telecine...
Once you have done all that, you can now take your video copy of your raw footage to a non-linear digital editing platform and assemble an EDL, and then your ready for editing.
My advice would be to shoot video for this very limited market run, for the number of DVD's or Video's you will sell would not justify the cost of a film shoot. |
George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
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Username: Oof_n_goof
Post Number: 64
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 9:34 am: | |
Only one way to find out if there is or isn't a market.....shoot the video, then market it. Don't talk about it, do it |
Michael Yurinko (Gage)
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Username: Gage
Post Number: 12
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 9:08 am: | |
There are film cameras small enough to fit. Both 16mm and 35mm. But the best bet is to shoot with digital format for cost reasons. Unless you want to make the ultimate film/DVD then shoot 35mm film. I'm getting some ideas already.
There's a guy on the Toyota MR2 board that shot a video called MR2DIE4. He traveled across North America and shot video of MR2s. I don't know the exact sales numbers, but it's a hot seller. The MR2 market is much smaller than the Ferrari market. I think a well produced Ferrari DVD with proper marketing would sell like crazy.
My company can handle every format |
Jason Biggs (Jason179)
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Username: Jason179
Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:17 pm: | |
I dont know about everyone else but for me the problem would be actually getting a camera inside the ferrari. Not a camcorder mine you, but a movie camera.
Also there has to be a market for ferrari videos and I dont think there is a big one at all.
Jason |
magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3001
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:31 pm: | |
As far as collectors go, I can say that there is nothing better than sitting down in the evening and going back over the tapes you have recorded of your collector cars. Some I had years ago bring back great memories when I play them back. |
Michael Yurinko (Gage)
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Username: Gage
Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 7:27 pm: | |
Jim,
I could help you produce this. I just finished my first feature film and while I'm doing promotion and film festivals now, I'm looking for another project.
The companies I deal with have put together these type of things before. I'm here in PA. Email me if you're interested.
Thanks. |
George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
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Username: Oof_n_goof
Post Number: 61
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 5:42 pm: | |
Would I buy it? Nope. |
Tim N (Timn88)
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Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1396
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 5:19 pm: | |
I didnt read the rest of the posts, but i just wanted to add that i get pissed when they add in music and you cant hear the car!!! After i take a shower i'll read the rest and post again. |
Randy (Schatten)
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Username: Schatten
Post Number: 366
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 5:01 pm: | |
I'm not an F-car owner at all, but being a car enthusiast and currently owning an S2000, MANY S2000 fanatics out there purchase calendars, photos, posters and even videos of their very own car. So... its not for everyone, but I think a lot of non-owners would be interested.
Another thought to add - the history of each car, with some slight details of changes. IE - the knock offs to lug bolts for the TR's. A narrator for this would be great. I know, more expensive but could be worth it. I'm only thinking of this because of the legends of motorsport (I think that's what the show was) on Speedvision (I refuse to call it Speed Channel) talking about Ferrari's and there was another show on Porches.
Other than that, the plot could be a trip somewhere - Laguna Seca, or Asheville, NC (around The Dragon). |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 54
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 4:04 pm: | |
because we are ego maniacs and you want to send copies to your friends. Or when you sell it you will have a keepsake.
I was afraid of that response! |
David White (Dwhite)
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Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 50
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 3:58 pm: | |
I know some people like videos, but if I want to see my car I go look at it, if I want to hear my car I start it, if I want to smile ear-to-ear I drive it. A video of my own car . . . why? |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 53
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 3:49 pm: | |
the editor/videographer is my stepdad as he does what you do. So I have no real cost to make a generic one (sort of). The custom one however is where I could lose my butt if not priced right. And yes a storyboard is a good idea rather than just shooting all willy nilly and piecing it together at home. Keep the ideas coming! You all are my QA Department. Thanks. |
David Jones (Dave)
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 235
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 3:43 pm: | |
I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but for your video to be good enough for people to pay money for it, I think you will have a hard time finding a shooter or editor in the price range you posted...
I am involved with all aspects of video production on a weekly basis, and to be honest, I have seen a lot of wasted video shot by people who should have hired a pro to shoot it to begin with. Bad amateur looking shots are just that... If you are going to produce a video that is going to be for sale, unless you are already a videographer, hire a pro to shoot it....
And before you ever shoot any footage, make sure your script is where it needs to be...
I have been on shoots where there was no script or storyboard... then when we went to post, the editor had no clue as the client was trying to explain how there video was going to be.
There is a lot that goes into a production that folks don't realize... |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 51
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 3:17 pm: | |
All excellent points. I too love the incar cams. Wish I could control races and switch between cars, but then I wouldn't see all their advertisments on the hoods! Speaking of, don't you love those ads in view of the incar cam? Sneaky b@$tards! |
Randy (Schatten)
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Username: Schatten
Post Number: 365
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 3:10 pm: | |
Take a lot of tips and hints from the very successful Best of Motoring videos (I have all five volumes up for grabs as well if you want to check them out). Angles on the feet, the driver and outside the car. Great stuff.
Imagining myself in the car though... I just love in car cams or even Indy/F1 cams that are in the car as well. There was one race ages ago that ESPN showed the Indy race and ESPN2 showed in car cams only (with no commentary, only radio). Was very slick, but probably too expensive to do it again.
Not a bad idea, but don't limit it to F-cars alone. Try it out with an F-car or two at first and branch off into other exotics or semi-exotic cars. And please... no slide shows. =) |
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart
Post Number: 464
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 2:44 pm: | |
There are, to my knowledge, several different video products addressing ferrari, including some that are model specific, and some which cover a range of the cars. I have not studied this market, or watched these, so i can't tell you if they already fill the niche. (The buyer's guide on dvd is not something i am aware of in the present marketplace).
Music when combined with video involves a "synch" right, rather than a mechanical license. The latter is compulsory under the US statute (and in many foreign countries), whereas at least in the US, the synch right can only be obtained thru a consensual license from the publisher. In addition, if you are using the actual sound recording (rather than doing a "cover"), you will have to get a master use license from the record label or owner of the sound recording rights. (Usually a different party than the music publisher). That can get expensive. There are consultants who do such "clearance" work for a fee, but unless you have serious commercial expectations or find some songs nobody cares about, it may cost more than its worth to license significant music, particularly since most deals of this type involve an upfront payment, like a guaranteed advance. There are sources for cheap/nothing music, but those libraries may suck. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 50
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 2:35 pm: | |
I just threw the 1 grand # out there. And I am not talking about a "real" custom shoot with light towers and 10 camera angles. I wondered about the music copyrights. Also wondered about a generic video that had say your car in it, but I sell to somebody else. Do I have to blur out the car?!?! I was thinking (ballpark #'s)pay my production guy a couple hundred to edit it all etc and keep say $500 for myself for shooting it. Owner pays airfare, per diem.... |
David Jones (Dave)
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 234
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 2:30 pm: | |
I am in production of a dvd at this point myself
with an emphasis on being a buyers guide to Ferrari ownership...
I say if you can do it go for it, and if you can shoot and edit a custom location video for a client finished for around a grand, you must be magic...
Also be aware about laws concerning the use of copyright music if you include it on your video...
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Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 49
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 1:51 pm: | |
My stepdad is the editor for TV Guide..all the stuff you see scrolling and the movie previews on the TV Guide channel...that is him. Anyway, he has a production company on the side and does excellent work. Typically weddings, graduations. He did my wedding video and everyone thought it was the best they had ever seen. Of course I had it scored to Motley Crue, Guns n Roses....
My idea: Make 3 types of videos and sell to F-crowd.
Video 1) Generic video of all types of F-cars with live footage as well as still shots with music, but also listen to the cars, watch them drive...
Video 2) Specific footage of a particular model. Say I own a TR. I order video with just TR footage of all kinds of TR's.
Video 3) Custom video of you and your F-car, house etc with your input on music. This will of course be more expensive due to production costs and airfare to come out and video it. But if you spend $100K on a car, $25K on tuneup and $1K on brakes then $1K or so to immortalize you and your car should not be a big deal.
I see videos of cars on TV and I hate them. They cut away too fast and don't give me time to daydream and imagine myself in the cars. Sometimes I want to see the car roll down the road for 20 seconds listening to the engine hum or watching myself in the car.
The downside to this is that you could just call up someone local and request they do this so would you be interested in Video 1, 2, 3 or none of them?
Input would be appreciated. |