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NGSVDO (Azspider)
Junior Member
Username: Azspider
Post Number: 78
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 9:55 am: | |
I think 97.5k is a good deal if it checks out. At that price I don't think you can do much better unless someone is deparate. Enjoy |
michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 9:30 pm: | |
Hey guys....Thanks for all the info! Looks like I will be joining your club.
The price looks like 97.5k. This is for a 96 red/tan 8800 mile car, and very clean. The local Ferrari said it would check it out.
What do you guys think? |
Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member
Username: Kennyh
Post Number: 350
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 4:23 pm: | |
Minimum of 100k from a FNA authorized dealer... |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2656
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 4:20 pm: | |
I don't know: Sometimes I feel like why ••••• about my mechanic bill. I am driving a Ferrari after all. If you can afford this car you have to also be able to maintain it and pay your bills.
I am still positively surprised that may Ferrari costs less to insure than my wifes MB 430. My Ferrari costs less in service (if she would not still be covered under insurance) and it uses normal amounts of gas for a performance engine.
So we service our cars with engine out every 5 years or 30K Miles, we also change the oil every 3K Miles, you don't do that on a Jeep either.
I just hate if somebody can stiff me up just because I drive that car. Be it the landscaper or the pool guy, thats when I get pissed.
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Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 81
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 3:28 pm: | |
Okay, I'll be quiet now..... |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 114
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 3:24 pm: | |
Chevy uses a pressed eulitic metal connecting rod, Ferrari uses forged titanium.
Chevy uses pressed eulitic pistons, Ferrari uses forged aluminum pistons.
Chevy uses sprayed in steel cylinder liners, Ferrari uses pressed in (replaceable) steel liners.
Chevy uses cast steel crank shaft, Ferrari uses forged steel crank.
Chevy uses spin welded steel valves, Ferrari uses machined billet titanium.
and on and on and on. Therefore, Chevy metal does not cost anywhere near what Ferrari metal costs.
Nor can you get it serviced anywhere a guy has collecteed a bunch of tools. If that is what you want, stick with Chevy.
Take a LS1 vette engine, leave the car in neutral and floor the accelerator--it takes over 1 second to go from idle (600) to redline (6300). Do the same in a Ferrari and it takes just over 1/2 the time a vette does and does it over a 33% larger RPM range. This is why you are buying the lighter "high tech" components.
What you are paying for is a mid-to-late 1970's formula one engine with a service life of 100,000+ miles with 30,000 mile tuneups. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 74
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:16 am: | |
I realize they are high perf engines, but they are not top fuel dragsters or grand prix racers. They are street legal. Most of you don't drive your cars to the max rpm so the wear should be less. Also, parts are parts. Chevy metal costs the same as ferrari metal unless it is some cryptonite/titanium alloy. Sure they don't have a stockpile of parts at the local pepboys, but the prices they charge for this stuff is absurd. And maybe changing a sparkplug requires an engine out service, but c'mon. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 603
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 9:54 am: | |
Bill:
The Hondas of the 70s used chains. About the same RPM, and they would break, malfunction, and otherwise cause problems. The other brands that use chains now have a much lower rpm. I think that Ferrari is doing what they need to do to maintain the performance without turbos (which have their own problems). The reason they cost so much to keep running is that they are a high performance engine, and you end up paying for what you get.
Art |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 421
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 9:48 am: | |
It's still insane Mitch. hopefully Ferrari will go to chains like they have on the Maserati version of the 360 engine and stop feathering the retirement funds of their service managers through belt replacements. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 110
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 9:43 am: | |
But you jeep doesn't have a 8,500 RPM red line, nor can it REV from idle to 8,500 in less than a second, nor does it produce 107 HP/litre (probably around 1/2 that amount).
The stress in the belts are a function of how much energy is required to accelerate and run the valve train in the top of the engine. The margin for error is a function of how much valve to piston clearance exists as the piston reaches TDC between the exhaust and intake strokes. With the high compression in the F355, and the large valve openings at TDC, the F355 has very little margin. You jeep has over 3 times this margin, and revs only half as high. In addition, if you blow up the engine in your jeep it only costs $1500 to get it redone. Compare this to getting a F355 engine redone after a belt breakage and you are looking at (maybe) $20,000. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 73
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 9:32 am: | |
Seems to me the milage vs time issue is related to the collectors of the 80's not putting miles on their cars so viola! it is "time" for a tuneup. I can't understand why a $100K car needs to have its engine reworked every 3rd wednesday whether you drive it or not. My jeep runs fine, but you don't see me having the engine taken out just because it has been 2 years since I bought it. Insanity! |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2644
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 8:05 am: | |
Currently the car shoudl fetch somewhere at $100K. If it is super nice $ 102K if it has some issues as low as $95K. The engine out is recommended not necessary. I highly recommend it as well. Pullys and tensioners could be worn, best to start fresh with a car you have no real history on.
Look at the melting plastic parts. Touch the steering column plastic if sticky, substract another $1,000, same on the ashtray and the side panels on the mirrow inside the car. Make sure top and seats work perfect.
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arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 601
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 8:36 pm: | |
Michael:
That car needs a 30k, because of the time. Mileage doesn't count, 7 -8 years you need the major service, belt replacement, etc. I paid almost 10k when it was all over and done for the 30k service for my 96. That is why this car should go for less than 100k, but it probably won't.
Art |
michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 8:26 pm: | |
So the board thinks a 96 should have a "major" service?
Mr Dooley, What do you say a 96 good spider is worth? And what do you consider a good fair price? |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 394
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 5:50 pm: | |
the whole mileage -vs- time thing appears to be a black art of sorts.
i have never seen an official Ferrari document that shows time -vs- mileage as far as service goes.
i ASSUME that one exists, because i hear the mechanics say the same mantra about this (of course they get more biz this way, so maybe there needs to be a grain of salt involved!). i also have heard reputable dealers and reputable brokers talk to these timings as well, so i don't think it's B.S. - but again, i've never seen the official FSpA document(s).
has anyone here seen such documentation from Ferrari?
doody. |
SteveF (Stevef)
New member
Username: Stevef
Post Number: 43
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 5:09 pm: | |
There seem to be alot of ferraris that are serviced by mileage rather than time. What do you make of this especially if a dealer doesn't observe this ? |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 390
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 5:44 am: | |
15K is not a major service on the 355. the first "major" service is the first engine-out service which is at 30K or five years.
so if you're looking at 1995s or 1996s, they are due for the engine-out. figure $4K to $5K depending on who you have do it.
96 spiders aren't going for numbers like $85K unless they're beat up.
get a PPI.
doody. |
Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member
Username: Warren
Post Number: 64
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:41 pm: | |
I know Wide World of Cars is willing to throw in the 15K service if you are a good negotiator.
Iknow this first hand. |
Ricky Nardis (Ttforcefed)
New member
Username: Ttforcefed
Post Number: 40
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:14 pm: | |
true, mine only has $15,000 miles and they completed the major service anyway
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michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 9
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 9:58 pm: | |
I think 15k is not a "major" service |
Ricky Nardis (Ttforcefed)
New member
Username: Ttforcefed
Post Number: 39
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 9:37 pm: | |
i dont know, Wide World of Cars told me $4,000 to $5,000 for the major service....seems like prices are everywhere when it comes to these cars...
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michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 9:35 pm: | |
major deal is has told me he knows the car and it is sound. I heard the 15000 service was $2k |
Ricky Nardis (Ttforcefed)
New member
Username: Ttforcefed
Post Number: 38
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 9:10 pm: | |
they say the major costs $5,000 so take you can subtract that...what are they asking for it and is it from an authorized dealer? |
michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 9:04 pm: | |
major 15K service has not been done, |
Ricky Nardis (Ttforcefed)
New member
Username: Ttforcefed
Post Number: 36
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 8:31 pm: | |
$85 would be a steal i think....I cant get wide world of cars to go lower than $91,800 on a 95 GTB with 15,000 miles! maybe i'm looking in the wrong places (authorized dealers) but i'd guess a 96 Spider with those miles should go for $105 to $110K if it has had the major service done. Maybe i'm just crazy.... |
michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 8:17 pm: | |
I think the guy might hang up on me if I suggest 85k, Though It would be nice.
Any other comments |
William Huber (Solipsist)
Member
Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 323
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 8:00 pm: | |
$85,000 est Theres a bunch of 355 on the market now, I can't understand why some people couldn't be a little more realistic about prices now. |
michael mcnamee (Mm20288)
New member
Username: Mm20288
Post Number: 5
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 7:51 pm: | |
What does the board think about fair price on a 96 355 spider, 9000 miles, appears perfect, red/tan?
Will have checked out. |