| Author | Message | ||
| Steve Hanis (Steve_hanis)
New member Username: Steve_hanis Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2002 |
>How fast is the Pontiac Firebird??? This car is >no joke. And the tough part is, these cars have >nothing to lose. If they lose a race it's >because they are racing a f-, if they win then >their "more modest" car just smoked a f-! The 98-02 models have GM's LS1 engine. My Firebird put down 314hp on the rollers with an after-market air box and filter but runs a pretty weak 13.8 quarter and 5.4 0-60 compared to some of the others in my area. One thing to remember is many of these cars are modified quite a bit, be it heads-n-cam, nitrous or forced induction. Sad thing is the last Firebird and Camaro were built yesterday. Here is a pretty neat video of a turboed Firebird slowly pulling an a GSX R1000 sports bike http://www.mofba.com/Videos/harlan-vs-streetbikes.mpeg | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1438 Registered: 6-2001 |
You probably would own him on the track. Its an automatic, so that would hurt it. That guy is nice, his mom drives a Dino and a 360 (if it got delivered yet). They are a big car family. Theres also a comptech NSX in the family somewhere. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 98 Registered: 5-2002 |
Tim, you're right , the lexus whoopped me in the high speed roll-on. I stopped and chatted with him. Nice Guy. I need a bigger engine, or maybe an intercooler at least. I'm still clinging to the belief that I'd take him in the twisties though. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1435 Registered: 6-2001 |
whatever floats you boat. | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 198 Registered: 11-2001 |
I guess you'd need 4 of these on a Ferrari for street racing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1852912566 | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 151 Registered: 2-2002 |
Iron Joe, Been off line for a while. Put a new clutch in the Mondi. easy, made the 4 pronged tool too, fun. Got the disc rebuilt for $65, put in a new rear-main seal. Buttoned it up. Drove it for a week. Now, my dad has it in California, I didn't want to bring it up it Chicago, where I'm working. ( the roads up here suck.) have you been testing your car yet? | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2001 |
400 hp , 2000 lbs any questions.... truthfully the car will fly but with a family only on a track and those days are numbered, Terry,I had a 180 mph jixer know the feeling ever so well,P.S. right femur is the biggest bone in your body I found this out by being in a full body cast from one halloween day till the next May back in the day... ED WHATZZZZ APPPPP,where have you been,howsthe mondial...... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1432 Registered: 6-2001 |
Oh, i didnt see you posted about it. That car went to a tuner in FLA who slapped on some twin turbos. Hes from the next town over, his name is dave. That car is so fast. The motor that came stock in it is the same thing as a supra, only minus the turbos. Thats where he got his idea for the license plate. I was talking to him in town once and hes like one time i raced a supercharged Ferrari. I figured only one of those exists. I asked him if it was a 308,he said yup, then i asked if it was blue, he said yup. then i asked where it happened and he said around albany (he was on his way home from canada). And i said, holy •••• that has to be mark. He couldnt believe i knew who you were. What a small world. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1425 Registered: 6-2001 |
What about the yellow IS300 mark? | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2002 |
George, Cool, so that's almost 9 liters. I need a bigger engine. Mine is actually pretty stock, compression, exhaust, cams, all stock. I modded the intake to mounted an eaton mp90 blower pumping 10 psi and added a halteck e6k to run the fuel and spark. I'm thinking about a little more cam timing and freer exhaust, but it is pretty good now. It's respectably quick, very drivable, it's got about 15k miles since the convertion, not too loud. I don't know. | ||
| George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
Junior Member Username: Oof_n_goof Post Number: 116 Registered: 7-2002 |
Mark, I got a Chevy 502 bare block, put a 4.25" crank, that gives me 533 cubes, plus a healthy roller cam, good breathing Aluminum heads, and the gearing, out of the 5 speed is out of this world. The tranny gears, 3.27, in conjuction with the rear end gears, give me the equivelant to 5:13's in 1-4, and 1-1 in 5th, which is 3:55 for highway cruising...this thing is a missle on four wheels...my vanity plate reads VIPRETR.....hehehehe...yup gobbled up a few here in North East Ohio. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 96 Registered: 5-2002 |
613?, I need a bigger engine! I don't know about the low hp/fast laps Rob. I know at the autocross tires matter the most, followed by springs and shocks. Non-stock springs spits you into the next class, because it makes the car faster. I bet the 328 would surprise you with good shocks/springs, my 308 autocrosses with the best of them....after the shock/spring work. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1981 Registered: 12-2000 |
My 110 RWHP 1983 Mazda RX7 is faster on the track than my 170 RWHP 1993 BMW 325is and the BMW is faster than my 225 RWHP 1986 328 GTS. My fastest cars are the ones with the least HP. My RX7's main advantage is 2,300 lbs. and race shocks/springs. The BMW's is race shocks. The Ferrari is just a heavy 80's car with ok power and stock suspension. All that said, everyone knows which one I love the most. Now this has me thinking, here is a comparison with Motorsports Ranch lap times, HP, and 0-60 times. The fastest laps times are inverse of the top HP and 0-60 results... 1) 1983 Mazda RX7 110 RWHP, 0-60 9 sec., MSR Lap 1:30 2) 1993 BMW 325is 170 RWHP, 0-60 7 sec., MSR Lap 1:31 3) 1986 Ferrari 328 GTS 225 RWHP, 0-60 5.6 sec., MSR Lap 1:34 | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 239 Registered: 4-2002 |
Only racing on the street I ever did was on a bike. Honda CBR600 F2 with supertrapp and race tires. These bikes are so fast it puts things into an entirely different perspective. When you can accelerate 0 - 120 - 0 in the 1/2 mile between red lights, things can get a bit nutty. Were talking 333SP performance at all speeds under 150 for less than $15k. Also getting ticketed wasnt really a threat. I would not call it running from the cops... that would presume there was a chase. More typically you see the cop, you see his lights go on, you nail it and within 10 seconds you are gone and never see him again. Like someone on a bicyle chasing a car... Of coarse I dont do any of this any more. Learned my lesson the hard way and have the scars / steel bar from my femur to prove it! | ||
| rob ferretti (Robiferretti)
New member Username: Robiferretti Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2002 |
I race all the time on the road i got beat by a 360 F1 coupe a few times from 20-135 but by less then a car...my vette is fairly stock  | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 150 Registered: 2-2002 |
Sure George, The beauty is in the "Details." An 84 QV engine needs a little help, and was built to handle a blower or a turbo. It's got low compression ratio, alloy valve guides, ,..... etc. NORWOOD Autocraft has a web site, check it out. there phone # is 972-831-8111 | ||
| John A (Jarends)
Junior Member Username: Jarends Post Number: 136 Registered: 7-2001 |
Have to jump in. My wife owns a 328 GTS, she's a Ferrari girl (class). I own a modified 1978 WS6 Trans Am and just purchased the collector addition yellow bird 2002 T/A. The 78 is a monster, 0-60 in just over four, but it's loaded with goodies. The 2002 is a surprise. When Jay Leno did a 15 minute spot on driving the Daytona Pace Car, I wasn't surprised at the results. 0 - 60 in a little over 5 and the quarter at 110mph low 13 seconds. When I drove mine, damn it had some power and it's all stock. Pontiac put a lot into the 2000 collector addition cars made. I never race: if I want to see how it goes I take time on a local track. No need to prove anything, there's always someone faster. I enjoy having and playing with the cars, and getting together with some great folks I met on this board. Regards, John  | ||
| George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
Junior Member Username: Oof_n_goof Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2002 |
OH my oh my oh my.....I want one of those, don't care, turbo or the blower....details, guys, can u send me details? That baby will be a stiff competitor for my vette's 613 RWH.....well, maybe not in a straight line, but once approaching a curve, can u say bye bye? | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 95 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hey Mitchell, it's bad to assume. My 308 is blown and makes a measured 305 rwhp. It is also about 200 lbs lighter than stock, has a pretty trick suspension and 285s in the rear to stick it. It handles most comers quite well, although there is one around here that is also blown, I avoid him.  | ||
| George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
Junior Member Username: Oof_n_goof Post Number: 108 Registered: 7-2002 |
What is Norwood's phone #? | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 149 Registered: 2-2002 |
Mike C., No, that's a coolent catch tank for the coolent expansion tank. Then there is no air in the expansion tank. No air means less CO2 dissolved in the coolent. Less CO2 means less carbonic acid in the coolent, and less corrosion. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 583 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have run against a turbo eclipse a couple of times. He hangs with me down low but I pull away from him pretty good up higher. I have also had a couple of modded up civics jump on my tail. Kind of the same thing but it sure is weird to see a little civic hatch back sticking to you tail for a bit. They can make those things quick. Oh I almost forgot. Once at a stop light a Supra(sorry)gets right behind be. It was like an 87 or so. I look at him and can tell what he wants to to. I think to myself that if he is stock I will take him other wise I am toast. We take off and I get it up to speed and move over and that guy must have had the juice because I have never seen a car take off like that! It kind of smelled funny too. I see the car around town now and then and give a wave. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 201 Registered: 4-2002 |
"I beat the new firebird 0-100" In your 308? I am assuming it was the v6 auto firebird as the v8 can run low 13's (as low as 13.0) at 106mph | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Junior Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 77 Registered: 4-2001 |
Come on guys! Weren't you ever a teenager out in Dad's whatever and tried to show a "sporty" car what you could do? Lighten up. | ||
| Mike C (Concorde)
New member Username: Concorde Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2002 |
Regarding the pic below -- a coolant overflow for the coolant overflow?? | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 148 Registered: 2-2002 |
More HP for a 308? Call NORWOOD's in Dallas.  | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2002 |
I know it's very bad, but I love to play. I beat the new firebird 0-100, but was surprised to loose the 80-120 to a Lexus IS....turned out he had a turbo supra motor in it. You just never know. Usually they know they're going to loose, they just want to hear your engine. I played 80 - ?? with a honda, after I slowed down and they caught up again, they were grining for ear to ear. They just never saw a car disapear like that before. I just love my Ferrari...if it just had a litle more HP though.... | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 274 Registered: 11-2001 |
It'll never end, these kids love the challenge to see how they hold up or confident they feel of beating you off the line for a 1/4 mile or so. Just let them keep guessing, most of them think you have a 11 sec. or better car anyway so why bother-let them keep guessing... | ||
| todd a tiede (Apex)
New member Username: Apex Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2002 |
Ron, Lawrence ias right a DE program by either of the marques he mentioned would be a GREAT expereience. If you can shoose the BMW CCA has a more sonsistent program through out the country then does PCA (NOT A KNOCK to PCA). Should you decide to follow this notion sooner come a day early for the USGP and run in the Festival of Speed Sept 26 near INDY ( http://www.lateapex.com/fos/ ). Leave the fooling around on the street to those who can ill afford the consequences. Learn to drive fast and enjoy your car on the track and rise above the RICERS, CABAGERS and big bore boys and girls... | ||
| Richard Stephens (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 139 Registered: 10-2001 |
I beat a 60s vw bug at a stop light the other day. I was surprised I won that one. I was driving a 1978 fiat 131 mirafiori wagon with AC and a once-upon-a-time (93kmiles ago) CA smog equipment horsepower rating of 83, ha! The other day on the 280 I was following a friend's black TR and saw him playing with a black modern corvette up ahead of me. Seemed somewhat equally matched at short bursts from 70 to whatever they were reaching before needing to slow for traffic. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 503 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm curious. Do you guys with the older, "classic" Ferraris get as many boneheads wanting to drag as the 308 and newer owners get? Frankly, I'd be embarrassed for a guy in a Camero wanting to drag a 330 GTC. | ||
| George Daina (Oof_n_goof)
Junior Member Username: Oof_n_goof Post Number: 102 Registered: 7-2002 |
Two weeks ago I was on I-77 heading north to Cleveland, around 5:45 AM, cruising around 85mph, and I approached a Linconl Mk 8. The bozo was in the left land, so, I pass him on the right. BTW, these boats have listed 300hp...now, this guy gets ticked off cause were approaching trucks, and I step on it and get in front of him with lots of room to spare. When we clear traffic, still doing 85, the guy decides to keep pace, and like a dummy I nail it, should have downshifed, but had it in 5th, the guy pulls up next to me and slowly starts to pull away by a 1/2 car length. By now we're hitting 135 and approaching a gradual curve....guy backs off and I loose him....yep...I know...not very smart to go wheel to wheel at those speeds, but the 308 handled the curves like a slot car and the Lincoln was left in the dust. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 271 Registered: 5-2002 |
Lawrence, I know what you mean about a skillful driver.. I completely agree HP has nothing to do with it..It's about the person behind the wheel.. I've always wanted to go to a Skip Barbar type of driving school but never had the time or opportunity...Like you said, it would be a humbling experience....... | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
New member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2002 |
If you want to "play" at a nearby event coming up, "Ferraris and Friends" will be at Talladega Roadcourse (not the big oval) September 14. We've got several folks coming down from Tennessee. Details are posted at www.fca-se.org We've still got two openings. | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 190 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ron, if you want to run your car on the track, go to a DE either by PCA for BMWCCA. You don't have to own either make to go to their events. I'm going to Road Atlanta this weekend with PCA. It will be a humbling experience. You will find out quickly that HP does not matter that much. When I first started doing track events, there was a VW Rabbit in the hands of a good driver that I could not keep up with in my 328. The only place I could outrun him was on the longer straights. He would win the short straights because he would come out of the corners so much faster than I. | ||
| Mike C (Concorde)
New member Username: Concorde Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2002 |
Here's the way I usually react... a shrug of the shoulders, and a shake of the head. It's sort of, "Why bother?... you've got a (whatever) and I've got a Ferrari... I don't need to prove anything." | ||
| Fred (Iluv4res)
New member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2002 |
The other day, I raced a little old lady to a parking spot.....boy was she fast!!! I did find another spot a few isles away..... | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 269 Registered: 5-2002 |
I Don't own a Ferrari yet, but I consider my Lexus GS 400 a fast car.. From time to time I do hit some triple digit numbers for my own satisfaction.. If I see another car looking to play, I usually back off..You never know driving skills of the next guy.. I would rather race in a controlled environment.. I use to race on the highway in my younger years and got it out if my system I guess.. But then again, I don't own a Ferrari yet.... | ||
| Mark (Markg)
Junior Member Username: Markg Post Number: 225 Registered: 2-2001 |
I tell the local 'street racers' the my 308 is for crap 0-60 but if they want to race from 75 to 150mph go for it! (0 takers so far!). I tell the 1/4 mile types I will race them from Denver to Las Vagas but not the 1/4 mile. No takers here either...wonder why? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 878 Registered: 8-2001 |
No street racing here. Have to be foolish to do that. That said, anyone driving a remotely sporty car see me coming will attempt some sort of challenge. Do I give a sh!t? Heck no! If that firebird guy was agressively looking to race, he's probably got something under the hood. Sounds like you weren't prepared for it and got embarassed. That guy was ready as soon as he saw you. | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2002 |
There is no uglier car than a new TransAm. That thing has more air scoops on it than a baskin robbins. I don't care if it was the fastest car in the world I won't even ride in one of the trashy things. Now go back to a 70's era one and we can talk. | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2002 |
I tend to stay away from doing things on the street. If the other car is a fast one, then it gets dangerous. Best thing to do is read the CD and RT road tests. Look at the acceleration figures, particularly the time from 0-70 and 0-100. Subtract them. Then go test your Ferrari over the same range. Then you'll know what to pick on and what to leave alone. CD results are mathematically corrected to 32 F. My 328 is not a fast car anymore. In its day it was fast. But now there are many cars that are faster. It is a cruiser. Friend of mine uses a late model Trans Am for track events. It's got some grunt but my modified 944turbo pulls away as soon as it spools. My turbo will accelerate from 70-100 in 4.15 seconds at 50 F. I think my 328 takes about 6.5 seconds to make the trip. The Trans Am would take a little over 5 seconds if it is stock. A Z06 corvette is in the 4's also. The C-5 is a hair under 5 seconds. My SLK32 AMG takes about 4.8 seconds. | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member Username: Warren Post Number: 78 Registered: 2-2002 |
I know, this probably was a post from 2 years ago, but any of you guys have any good street racing stories in your f-? I'll start it off. I was driving on a 2 lane highway recently at around 12am and I see headlights rapidly approaching in my rearview mirror, I get into the rt lane and then g'bye, a pontiac firebird passes by me on the right hand side. Once he passes me, he also turns into the rt lane and waits for me. So I hit the gas on 5th gear (I should have downshifted to fourth) and pass him. I figured I would let him try to catch up with me and when he got around 50 yars from me I would slam on the gas and blow forward, HOWEVER, I was still in 5th or 6th gear and when I slammed on the gas he had no problem zooming past me. How fast is the Pontiac Firebird??? This car is no joke. And the tough part is, these cars have nothing to lose. If they lose a race it's because they are racing a f-, if they win then their "more modest" car just smoked a f-! |