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Chris Richardson (Boozy)
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Post Number: 195
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 8:39 pm:   

I probably would have gotten a coupe rather than a cab so I could take it on track. Other than that, no regrets.
Dino Micalizio (Ingenere)
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 8:06 pm:   

YES!!! I'm on my 4th and have loved all of them (still have 3), for different reasons. I haven't had mechanical nightmares. I've done alot of my own services...including majors.

The 'experience' of a Ferrari is different from a Porsche, etc. I can't include vettes and Vipers in there, they are just cars and don't pretend to be more. They are great cars, but nothing matches a Ferrari. I think if US owners actually drove their cars instead of compared the best valet spots and who has the lowest milage games...there would be NO question that they would do it again!!
Richelson (Richelson)
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Post Number: 814
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 1:34 pm:   

It was a good choice. I may have purchased a FI 308 rather than a carb. The FI 308s are a little more refined. The carbs do sound great though.
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
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Post Number: 241
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 1:19 pm:   

Lawerence is correct. I do hate 944 turbos! You can get an '88 or '89 944 Turbo S for around 12K - $14K. Then if you spend another $15K on it you can have an absolute beast of a car. I mean for under $30K you can have a car with 450hp that will out handle pretty much anything you will ever run against on the track in production cars. Of coarse this wont change the fact that they are ugly or that the high boost turbo motors dont exactly off the reliability of a 911... but they are an incredibly cheap way to go VERY fast.
joe saldana (Ironjoe)
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 9:44 am:   

Terry ,Ed,I cant agree with you more I love PORSCHES,always have always will,Ive had evrything.mostly ground-up restos wheather they needed it or not.Im going for another 9-er.Then Ill take the f-car apart into about 1oo pieces n tell my son learn,and earn your f-car it will be a good experiance for him.Plus ill keep it in the stable.They are BEAUTIFUL but after so many Porsches I still find myself picking up an Excellence mag evrytime I go to the book store to buy a Forza....
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Post Number: 1251
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 9:17 am:   

IMHO the Viper is a better value that a Corvette as far as America sports cars go ! And they are real hand made exotics rather than assembly line made like the Corvette.
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Post Number: 236
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 6:10 pm:   

Hey Ed, does this mean when you sell your Ferrari you won't hang out with us anymore?
John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
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Post Number: 290
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 3:53 pm:   

Yes - I have spent well over 10K since I got my 348 last fall and everytime I get in the damn car I have to smile. For some reason if you have always dreamed of owning a Ferrari when you finally get one each time you sit in the drivers seat and know that it is your car you feel blessed. The cost of ownership I feel is worth the reward. Yes there are times the money you have to spend gets a little much but just ONE drive in the car will make you forget all about it. As much as this one has cost me to own I still dream of getting the next one and the next one...if only the stock market wasnt in the crapper!

Ernesto - Who and what type of race did you beat a Z06 in? The person must not have been that great of a driver cause I have seen two professional race around BIR up here in Minnesota and the Z06 gives the 360 all it can handle and will turn in faster lap times. You must have been racing an older 385hp version if you beat it in a drag race cause the new 405hp versions are wickedly fast. They also have just as nice of an interior as any 90's Japanese car. I dont own one or particularly care for them but I know how damn fast they are. Anyone who says that pushrod engines are a thing of the past and cant be upgraded look at the Lingenfelter twin-turbo 1.9 second 0-60, 9.2@150mph 1/4 mile I dont think there are to many japanese cars pulling that, even most Supras. Not to start a flame war but to say the Vette isnt capable is a complete lie. If the corvette isnt such a good car how come they keep winning and winning and winning at the LeMans series races??

Cheeseman - what car do you own?
Mark (Markg)
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Post Number: 231
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:38 am:   

Ron: if you replace the fuse boxes, PDU, relays, water pump, ignition system, cooling system, headlight motor diodes, fans, window motors, fuel accumulator (if applicable), and a few other items you will be fine with an 'F' car!
Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
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Post Number: 319
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:05 am:   

I would have gotten one anyway. But, I would stretch for a 328. The GT4 I have is a good learning tool for Ferrari engineering. Now that I have learned it, the 328 is a much better car.
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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Post Number: 335
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:07 pm:   

I would have still gotten one but not the one I have, it had way too many unseen probelms. Also, I would have waited until I had all my bills paid off first.
Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Post Number: 584
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 7:50 pm:   

I LOVE my 308 qv and don't regret buying it for a second. I have had it for 2 years now and have put 8000 miles on it.
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
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Post Number: 233
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 6:16 pm:   

Ron,

It's good to open your eyes and become aware. Look beyond the elation freely expressed in a forum such as this.

As for me, it's been only seven months between then and now. I have what I expected; a car that performs and handles well - in a 1970s way. But I like that and the carburettors too. Just an oil and filter change and A/C recharge up till now. I did replace the tires and had the front hood hinges realigned, but I knew that would have to be done when I purchased the car.

Road test as many as you can before you decide to buy. I don't know which model you've been thinking about, but remember that automotive technology has improved over the years and all makes, including Ferrari, have benefitted.

Barry

Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Post Number: 1863
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:45 pm:   

Ron, kep in mind that these are just opinions. Some are fact based and some may not be. Everyone needs to be aware of the posibilities of worst case situations with ANY used car. When a person says "Ferrari" that covers a lot of territory. Many different models of Ferraris have been produced over the years. Some probably better than others. Every car brand has good and bad models. I personally know a lot about this subject since I have been repairing hundreds of makes for many years. Not even Honda and Toyota are without their Lemmons. My experience has discovered that unless you absolutely love a certain car and cost is little object then by all means go for it. If you are on the fence, then by all means research the subject thoroughly and go into battle as well armed as possible. I am not angry about my Ferrari experience, I just simply do not feel I have received my moneys worth with the investment that I made with my car and I answered the string question as truthfully as possible. Others have similar opinions and others have completely different ones.I respect everyones opinion and hope they do likewise. I have no intention to try to dissuade anyone but I am sure the author anticipated some dissent.
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
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Post Number: 203
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:19 pm:   

Buy a 944 turbo for about 8K, spend another 5K on go fast parts and you have Z-06 speed on a hot day (faster on a cool day), get 30 mpg on highway, and don't have the overheating problems that Z-06 cars have when run on the track.

911 owners hate these things. They don't consider them real Porsches, yet get outrun by these 2.5 liter monsters. Plus you have perfect 50/50 weight distribution.
Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:14 pm:   

Wow,

YOu guys are opening my eys when it comes to Ferrari ownership...
I speak to my wife on getting one. She understands the high maintance cost and hoopla that comes with owning one also.. But when I sit here and hear that an actual owner is saying that he/she has regrets ever buying one, It makes me kind of take a step back and ask, is this a good idea..
I to love cars (especially Ferraris) and alway said I wil own one. I can't say that I won't get one after hearing this but I may have to rethink to see if it is that important to me..(you know it is)
Time will tell!

Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:12 pm:   

Suppose they did?
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Username: Irfgt

Post Number: 1861
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:10 pm:   

They don't make 2003 Camaros. If performance was my only requirement then A Checker Marathon with a Liggenfelter engine would be the hot ticket.
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
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Username: Lawrence

Post Number: 200
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:01 pm:   

Why just not buy a Camaro and be done with it? They cost less than a Corvette and are right there in the performance category. The additional money for the Corvette is not worth the miniscule improvement in performance.

Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Username: Irfgt

Post Number: 1858
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 4:19 pm:   

Ernesto, Please don't compare a Corvettes windows to a Ferrari's windows. You'll loose every time. In fact I'll race my Corvettes windows against any Ferrari's windows.
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Username: Irfgt

Post Number: 1857
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 4:16 pm:   

Cheezeman which new Ferrari can I buy for $50,000 that will do what the Corvette will do? I have $40,000 invested in my ancient 82 308 by the way. It's a nice 308 but In no way can I compare it to the Vette. I'm comparing price to performance. It's hard to tell a person about a road that he has already been down.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 625
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 4:14 pm:   

Oh yeah, all those 87 vettes are indeed worth a bundle now! Wait, are there still any 87's on the road? LOL! I, for one, dont buy a car based on a projection of that its going to be worth in 10 years down the road. I buy what I like.

Ernesto
z. b. (Cheeseman)
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 4:10 pm:   

straight from the junkyard, into the trailer park.
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Post Number: 167
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 4:09 pm:   

Japanese cars remind me of computers and television sets. After a few years of use, they're hardly worth anything more than scrap value. You could only resell them for a fraction of what you paid for them, and that's only if they're still functioning. If not, you would have to pay someone to haul them off to the scrap yard. Their excellent fit and finish doesn't mean a thing when nobody wants them when they're old. Contrast that to Corvettes and/or Ferraris.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 623
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:47 pm:   

There may be no vettes in the salvage yards because parts are needed when the interior falls apart, or when the windows stop working, etc etc. Sit inside a 1991 300ZX Turbo, and the overall quality, fit and finish, and materials are vastly superior to a 2003 Vette.

Ernesto
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:34 pm:   

I guess that's why there are so many junk Corvettes in the salvage yards, correct???
NOT!!! A wrecked Corvette won't last a week in a salvage yard until someone buys the wreck and tries to save it. Wrecked Subarus and other Japanese cars just add weight to the scrap metal pile where their value is rated at 20 cents per pound!
z. b. (Cheeseman)
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:27 pm:   

amen ernesto. magazine test stats and real world stats are very different. ditto with the corvette quality verses the japanese cars.
arthur chambers (Art355)
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Post Number: 610
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:27 pm:   

Yeah. Some 10k after buying the 355, 7k after the 348 spyder, and zero on the 348ts, I think I made the right decision. Could have bought a new corvette, another turbo porsche, but been there done that. The Ferrari was a Ferrari, to those of us who have one, we know that there is nothing like a Ferrari: the handling is better, etc

Art
Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 622
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:16 pm:   

Mitchell, you should tell that to the two Z06's I beat in my 360. You should have seen the look on their face, because all the magazines told them that they were going to win! LOL

"What you get for the money, the Vette cant be touched?" $50K+ for the Vette? Granted, it is the best American sports car right now, but it is still leagues behind the last generation japanese sports cars released in the early 90's in terms of fit and finish, quality, materials, etc etc. You can almost have a 348 for that money!
Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
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Post Number: 203
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:11 pm:   

z.b. Just to point out, a z06 has a good lead on the 360 by 100 and quite a lead by 150. Of course, the 575 will leave it for dea. (as it should) :-)
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 2:39 pm:   

There is an old saying in Corvette circles concerning the 427 big block Corvettes: They will pass anything except a gas station.

Sounds like a similar statement could be made about Ferraris: They will pass anything except an authorized service center for extensive routine maintenance.
z. b. (Cheeseman)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 2:33 pm:   

Ed, i mean this in the best way, but why do you insist on comparing your two valve 308 to a new corvette? Keep in mind the 308 design dates back to the sixties with the dinos(thus frank's insistence they be named as such) at a time when they were just beginning to build cars in large numbers. the company needed an affordable car that could be mass produced but still have a bit of the ferrari experince. And i say a bit because a two valve injected 308 is about as slow as they get, right behind the mondial 8. It doesnt say in your profile what year your car is but but I'm guessing 82' The corvettes being built at that time were little better than chevettes. They were heavy, had horrible build quality, and barely could sqeak out 200 horsepower. Their value today makes them common in trailer parks. In comparison your 308 probably hasn't depreciated a dime since you bought it and since your a technician and have mainained it (very clean in the picture) it's probably worth more. Ferraris today are a whole new ball game. Performance is astounding. build quality is great and unless your corvette is a Z06, will get left in the dust. Even then it will only hang with a 360. forget about the 550 or 575m (456 is not sports car). It sounds to me that your expectations of Ferrari ownership were to high for what a 308 can deliver.
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Post Number: 1852
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 2:06 pm:   

If the Corvette cost as much as the Ferrari I would totally agree that it is inferior, but for what you get for the money, the Vette can't be touched. I have had a ball with the 308 and it is still fun to drive but the automotive budget that I must live in accomodates a Corvette easier. All decisions that I make are not driven by cost. I have my old Corvair that I truely love for various reasons and I never question any dollars spent on it. It is one of the family. As I age though I have to realize that I cannot have everything that I want because my wants never end. Most car nuts like me are the same. Owning four cars though is more than I need and can properly provide for in retirement,so I intend to get it down to three. My wifes Sebring Convertible, our Corvair and my Corvette.
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
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Post Number: 238
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 2:02 pm:   

Frank, you hit the nail on the head. The 911 started with a far from ideal engine/chassis layout for a performance car. Porsche then proceeded to create the most successful production based racecar in history from it through incredibile engineering and evolutionary development. Its one of the reasons I love the 911's so much.

Stanley, you say "if you beat the crap out of it you will pay"... you are making the oppositions point to a degree. One of the things I love about a 911 is that you CAN beat the pulp out of them and they shrug it off. I had an '88 Carrera that got absolutely flogged every time I drove it on the track and off. In 35K miles (88K when I bought it, 133K when sold) that car never even hiccuped. It was a rock. When I sold it, it ran and drove perfectly and felt like a tank. I know guys with 911SC's with over 250K on them who track and autocross all the time and the cars are still solid as a rock.

Anyhow, as I have said I love Ferrari but sure wish they had hired some Germans to do the engineering work! or perhaps Porsche should have hired Pinninfarina!
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 1:42 pm:   

As a prior Vette owner, and a current F355 owner, there is nothing to compare.

The Ferrari is just plain and simple a better peice of car than the Vette.

Everywhere you look in the Ferraris interior you see leather, aluminum, steel--all tastfully done, and without any of those overengineered things (like the AC controller, CAGS) that are more a pain in the a$$ than useful. There are only abut 4 pieces of palstic in the interior of the F355, there were only about 4 things in the Vette interior which were not plastic.

Looking at the engine compartment, in a vette, all you can see is plastic and plumbing and the bay is filled to capasity; in the Ferrari, you see and engine, with all those little details {velocity stacks, throttle per inlet, multiple valves, headers,...} that you never see in an american car; and plenty of space for air to flow by and cool the various things. Think of the things you don't have to add to the Ferrari: air ducts to the brakes, brembo brakes, dry sump oiling, transmission coolers, differential coolers, underbody aerodynamics, chassis stiffeners,.....

But the real majic happens when you get out on the road (or track). This high speed driftability is simply stunning. Where the Vette would snap-spin, the Ferrari is sensitive, and controllable. On back roads around central texas, the Vette suspension gets busy around 140 MPH while the Ferrari suspension is not busy until about 160's.

The noise the engine makes is just awesome--even if the car were slow as a pig, the engine note is still worth a big chunk of change, there is nothing you can do to any small block {ford, chevy, dodge} that can allow these engines to make the kinds of music a Ferrari engine makes. {How do they pass noise regualtions is beyond me?}

On one of the first days I had my F355, I learned that if you hold 3000 RPMs in first gear, then floored the throttle, and shifted at read line, the car would respond with "Harrump". Since then I have learned how to make the engine say three other words. Try that in a small block.

If GM were to bring the Vette interior up to the quality of the F355 interior, and add the ducts, coolers and brakes to make the vette last on tracks/autobahns, the entry price of the Vette would be "just about the same as" the cost of a 6 year old Ferrari.

And I haven't had to go to the "its just so friggen beautiful" statement to justify my Ferrari. Its the package--and it works for me--whereas the Vette was continuously anoying, the Ferrari has never been.

I loved my vette, but it isnot even in the same ballpark as my Ferrari.

Caio
Stanley DiGuiseppi (Standig)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:59 pm:   

My first Ferrari was a mechanical nightmare...but I blame myself. I know that history is most important. My second Ferrari was a better experience. I took my own advise and followed it.

I love cars. I have had many from classics and muscle cars to expensive luxury, corvetts both old and new. By far this F-car leaves a smile on my face everytime i drive it. The others were good and fun...but the f-car.....

I don't like spending big money on repairs anymore than anyone else. So I keep up with the service according to the book. I try to use local people that I trust for oil changes and brakes and tires etc. If something special needs to be done I will seek out the right person to repair the car including the dealer.

Servicing a f-car is not much different than maintaing any another car even your wife's car(assuming you give her and her car the same attention). Granted f-cars have things that are unique to only them. Keep in mind, if a transmission goes on a late model suv you could easily spend 3k to rebuild.
If you blow a motor on a Jeep it will cost you at least 6k.


And if you beat the $%*# out of it and abuse it....you will pay.

Consider what most of us who own boats pay....the Ferrari is a better investement of time, energy and money than a boat.

I am very happy I was able to afford this experience.
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Post Number: 1246
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:42 pm:   

While I agree that Porsche engineering may be superior than Ferraris, it has to be. Its rear engine design with the engine hanging out over the rear axle requires superior engineering to minimize the tail happy nature of the car.
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:01 am:   

Is this why they say you can have a short passionate love affair with a Ferrari ?

One the newness,novelty and you get used to its look reality sets in for outlandish parts costs and availability?

This is my first Ferrari a 328 a fulfillment of a dream since childhood and I plan on keeping it for a long time so I hope I don't get disgusted or discouraged when things break and parts are expensive my previous car a 911 a great car from a reliabilty and engineering point
but it doesn't envoke the blind
passion that a Ferrari brings, I wonder if it will last

I don't care how wealthy you are $4500.00 for a tune up is expensive its a new Rolex or another toy you could have had
Mark (Markg)
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Post Number: 227
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 9:33 am:   

Terry you are absolutely correct; I went from a 911 to a 308 and there is no comparison as to engineering and ease of DYI repairs. The 308 has the body design, Porsche the engineering. I did a complete rebuild on my 911 motor for about the same price as a 30k maintanance on an 'F' car.

I am already looking at Porsche's in the market place for when I sell the 308. Enzo himself is reported to have said his car wern't meant to last more than a few years when he was questioned about their reliability issues....

I will write off my 'F' car ownership with the "be carefull for what you wish for" philosophy and get on with life.
Peter K. (Bubba)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 7:38 am:   

Of course, it's a dream come true. I would never give up on my dream car just because it's more expensive to maintain than others. You can't put a price to the happiness factor.
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 7:36 am:   

Ed,

I know exactly what you mean. After having owned / worked on Porsches for years working on my 308 is something of a letdown. I love the way the car looks and drives but the basic engineering is pretty poor. I think if an engineer in Stuttgart had brought many of these designs to the table for production at Porsche, they would have been laughed out of the building. The car has a feel to it from a maintenance perspective that the factory considered it to be disposable. I do love my car and "Ferrari" continues to hold my fascination but I now understand the reality as well.

Ed if you want to play with a car that is an example of fantastic engineering and build quality overcoming a basic design challenge, get a 911. They are amazing cars particularly if your into overall quality and excellence. It certainly wont look as good as a Ferrari but it will leave you impressed every time you work on it.
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 7:35 am:   

You cannot base all your decisions from a consumer or dollar standpoint.
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 7:24 am:   

Edward, you want to see a Rube Goldberg car, try a Lambo :-)
Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 6:46 am:   

If I knew then, what I know now.....

I wouldn't have waited until I was 50 to buy one. The decision has nothing to do with money or repairability -- it's the experience! You can talk all day about how there are faster cars, better handling cars, more technically advanced cars, lower cars, taller cars, etc., etc. but Ferrari provides a full experience including a racing history.
ross koller (Ross)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:58 am:   

i think the answers to this question will largely depend on what model was the 'first'. the latest and greatest from maranello will probably not let very many people down, and/or if they have maintenance issues, they will not surprise or shock people who have that kind of money anyway. the older pre-montezemolo models will vary in durability, and thats where you will get most of your disppointed people.
sorry to point out the obvious.....
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:33 am:   

The problem or advantage that I have is that since I repair cars professionally, I see so many different cars and see them from a technical viewpoint and also get to drive them and evaluate them from all angles. Ferrari is the Rube Goldberg of automobiles IMHO. Granted I have not driven all Ferraris especially the later models, however the basic designs are still there from the 308 series and for the life of me I cannot get it to settle in my mind that it is necessary to design a car that is so expensive and time consuming to repair and maintain when I know deep down that it could have neen designed differently with no compromise in performance. Also, just read all the posts of the problems that owners have even with the later model cars. These are unnecessary problems that should not be happening on such an expensive automobile. Look at the Ferrari from a consumer standpoint and not a fan standpoint and you will have to agree.
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 8:49 pm:   

Edward, do you think maybe you just didn't get the right Ferrari for you?
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 8:46 pm:   

I still would. No doubt at all.
D B (Threesixty)
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Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 7:40 pm:   

Ernesto, Supra's are great cars with amazing potential (as you've found :-)). Would you email me some pics?

Thanks
Jeffrey Robbins (Teachdna)
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Username: Teachdna

Post Number: 65
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 7:21 pm:   

Yes, despite the 550 having cost me $4000 in repairs the first year of ownership-no PPI would have picked up this stuff, nor could the previous owner have known.

But the car is so spectacular, there's just nothing else I have or would care to own that touches it.

Yes I have faster cars and they are certainly more dependable, but nothing is more involving or exciting to drive.
BobD (Bobd)
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Username: Bobd

Post Number: 586
Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 7:13 pm:   

OK Ernesto, I'll spark the fuel. Have you seen the new 395/Supra in Road & Track? Front end looks like the Toyota 2000GT from the late '60's. This is my last post about Supras.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Username: T88power

Post Number: 618
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 6:23 pm:   

D B, I would post one, but I would get flamed to death! You mention the word Supra here, and people go ballistic...

Ernesto
D B (Threesixty)
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Username: Threesixty

Post Number: 31
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 6:20 pm:   

Ernesto, do you have any pics of your Supra? Would love to see it.
Ernesto (T88power)
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Username: T88power

Post Number: 617
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 6:19 pm:   

Well, as of the two years of ownership for my 360, I have spend less than $500.00 in TOTAL maintenance - oil changes basically (not including aftermarket add-ons). So, and I would have to say YES I would do it all over again (so far).

Ernesto
Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member
Username: Me_k

Post Number: 94
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 5:33 pm:   

I would. I just love my Ferrari...even though it did set itself on fire 6 week after I got it and it took a year to fix. it's still my favorite.
Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member
Username: Arlie

Post Number: 162
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 4:56 pm:   

As a Corvette owner and a Ferrari-wanna be owner, the thing that concerns me is the potential rebuilding cost of a Ferrari engine. Accidents do happen, and parts (timing belts) do fail, and the possibility of having an engine rebuilt due to failure or high mileage is a real possibility. The thought of paying a third as much or more to rebuild an engine as the entire car costs is pretty sad really. Pay $25K to $35K for a 308, then have to pay $10k to rebuild the engine after a disaster. Now you have $45K in the car and it's only worth $30k. I know all about labors of love, but that borders on labor of foolishness.
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Irfgt

Post Number: 1847
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 4:46 pm:   

No, I would not. Though I have gained vast knowledge about Ferrari and met a lot of fine people, my perception of what I thought a Ferrari would be, versus what one actually is, is totally different. I did not get my moneys worth. As many of you know I recently purchased a new Corvette. I financed it, whereas I would never finance a Ferrari. To me a Ferrari is a toy and a Corvette is a car. You can use a Corvette and you play with a Ferrari.
Mark (Markg)
Junior Member
Username: Markg

Post Number: 226
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 4:44 pm:   

No.
There comes a point where the cost to benefit ratio just gets to be ridiculous, where even a man of Bill Gates wealth would have to say enough! I reached that point 3 months (and $14k) after taking delivery of my 308.
But it was something I had always wanted, had the cash and figured 'what the F%7@'!
Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member
Username: Lawrence

Post Number: 194
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 4:34 pm:   

Yes, because I do the service myself. Even if I didn't, I still get a lot of pleasure from it.
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx

Post Number: 1254
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 4:17 pm:   

Hmm, at the moment back in 90 I chose a 308QV over a Maserati Bora & a BMW M1. Now I would have gone with the M1.

The 512TR simply rules, there is nothing I'd trade that rocket in on :-)
Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member
Username: Henryk

Post Number: 185
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 4:14 pm:   

Yes times 8!!! I am on my 8th Ferrari now....still have number 7.
Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member
Username: Fred

Post Number: 580
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 3:58 pm:   

No ?
bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member
Username: Bws88tr

Post Number: 755
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 3:50 pm:   

abso f$#@ing lutely
Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
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Username: Qferrari

Post Number: 94
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 3:43 pm:   

Most assuredly, without a doubt.
Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member
Username: Bob308gts

Post Number: 292
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 3:36 pm:   

As an owner now, and knowing what it really costs for parts and service and how wierd they are on certain things. Would you have still gotten your first Ferrari?

After thinking about it ( for not too long ) I sure the hell would

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