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John Whelan (Fodee)
New member
Username: Fodee
Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 5:56 pm: | |
Eric, that's the guy. Thanks for the info. I'm not interested in the road stuff, just the race stuff. The calipers that I had in mind are p.n's
x94.44.21/24 or x93.41.21/24 ( got these P.n's from the Truechoice catalog). When you say road legal, what does that mean? I've always understood that road calipers required dust seals. I don't want these, just give me the Ti pistons. What size are the rotors in the F40 pictures? What would it take to get a deal? I'm sure that you guys get the employee discount and it would be great if you could hook a brother up! |
Eric Dahl (Brembo)
New member
Username: Brembo
Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 4:26 pm: | |
Hi John,
You probably talked with Mark Valskis, the chief engineer at BNA.
I dont know if you were speaking of road or race type calipers. I dont know what is available in a race caliper, but there is a new road legal 8 piston we are starting to design for. I know Mark can get it done for you. Just get your pen warm to make a deposit check. Give him a call. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2761
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 1:49 pm: | |
how can I get my car on the cover of FORZA ?
I have a used set of stock brakes that boil. Anybody at FORZA interested?
everybody left the room.... |
John Whelan (Fodee)
New member
Username: Fodee
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:40 am: | |
Eric, that is a really cool set-up but where is my F40 8 piston caliper set-up? I don't recall the guys name that I dealt with, but he was supposed to get back to be when he got the calipers. Thanks! |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 412
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 6:17 pm: | |
Thanks Eric,
New dual brake masters will be on the car by Friday.
I PROMISE PICTURES OF THE NEW MASTERS AND REVISED PEDAL BOX! |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 2073
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:17 pm: | |
Is that heat paint on there? Where can that stuff be bought? I could use that on my race car. |
Eric Dahl (Brembo)
New member
Username: Brembo
Post Number: 25
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 5:52 pm: | |
I will come to defend Chris with a couple of shots of his brakes. I am looking forward to his pedal box being finished so he can really get the maximum effectiveness from this system. By the way, until someone else steps up, chris is the only one in the world with this unique brake package.
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Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member
Username: Rjklein4470
Post Number: 158
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:20 am: | |
Now that is what I am talking about |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 408
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 9:36 am: | |
Look for pictures in the next FORZA
We will be on the cover! (too cool!) |
Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member
Username: Rjklein4470
Post Number: 157
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 9:07 am: | |
pictures damit I want pictures or stop talking about your cool new brakes.  |
Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member
Username: Squidracing
Post Number: 161
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 7:13 am: | |
Chris, sounds like you have done some awesome work on your car....that you like to run it on the track makes me appreciate what you did to it that much more! You should bring it up to an event of ours next season, I promise you a great time! |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Member
Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 358
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 11:22 pm: | |
John,
You're in Austin too? I am sending you an email--we need to get you into our Hill Country FCA events!!
Dave |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 407
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 10:48 pm: | |
Matt,
I am not sure how you would describe what I am doing!
I love my F40, but they have some short comings, mainly brakes!
I like to rent a track 3 or 4 times a year and stretch the F40's legs, something that is not practical on the street.
My modifications are there to make the car safer for the track, Brakes, Wheels and Tires (slicks), Shocks, LM rear wing to keep it on the track!
With all of that, a little horsepower tweak seemed in order, so Tubi Comp, Carobu LM chips, K&N airfilter, LM Turbo's. I have gone about as far as I plan to go.
Everything I have done we can unbolt and return to stock (although I have no plans of EVER selling my F40)
I do not race in so far as a checkered flag is concerned, but I might have stopwatch to keep score!
Sounds like John is very serious though!
Chris |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 2044
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 10:20 pm: | |
Chris, sounds like you might not be coming to MSR this weekend? The owner Rick has been bugging me every other day about different things. Should be a really fun weekend. Only a few Ferraris, but several FCA people there in other cars. |
Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member
Username: Squidracing
Post Number: 160
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 10:15 pm: | |
William, sorry to go along with the outside conversation but my curiosity is peaked. John and Cmparff, do you race your F40's? It sounds like you are doing some very cool stuff. Are you installing all this equiptment for use on the track? Just curious? |
Tim Gendreau (Tim)
Junior Member
Username: Tim
Post Number: 175
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 10:13 pm: | |
WOW the TPS chips produces less HP than stock? I just checked and looks like I have TPS chips too.
how much did you pay for the Carobu chips? can you only use them with the LM turbo's? how much for those turbo's? |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 403
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 9:59 pm: | |
William,
I bought a Tilton dual master cylinder bracket today, that while not bolt-on is a very easy install. I have never owned a TR, so I am not familiar with the peddle box arrangement, but I think this may be an excellent solution for you.
I sent you an e-mail with my number if I can help.
Chris
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John Whelan (Fodee)
New member
Username: Fodee
Post Number: 3
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 4:28 pm: | |
I'm in Austin Tx. Would you be interested in a Motec M880 conversion for your F40? I am planning to go to a 3.6 liter motor next year and wanted the tuneability that the MOTEC offered. I am going to remove my motor to service the engine and build a new harness. The diagnostic ability of the MOTEC is the feature that I most want since I service the car myself. With the Motec, you can tune the car off of the O2 sensor. Bob Norwood in Dallas is working with me and he is great! If you are interested let me know. I looked at the CAROBU Motec set-up but prefer a complete stand alone installation as opposed to using the factory harness. I want to use as many off of the shelf (chevy) sensors as possible. |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 401
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 2:09 pm: | |
John, yes I got my Turbo's from Ted Rutland, I hope to have them installed by weeks end.
I will get the part numbers.
I also received my CAROBU LM chips today I am anxious to see what they do for my car.
I just found out that the chips in my car were made by TPS (Total Performance Systems) in Florida, these "Performance" chips actually made LESS horsepower than stock, so CAROBU should be a big improvement.
Where do you live John? I am in Kansas City. |
John Whelan (Fodee)
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Username: Fodee
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 1:46 pm: | |
I'm to busy to post a picture at the moment but there is one of it in the little F40 book that shows the EVO with the front open. It took about 3 months to get it but Brembo should be able to pry one out of Micheloto(?). I elected only to buy the casting and fabricate the rest with a CNC brakes, rod end bearing balance bar. I copied the factory balance knob as well. Thanks to your work with Brembo, I was able to get them to quote me an 8 piston caliper set-up with 378 mm rotors. I have called them several times in the past but they told me that nothing was available for my car. Now I will get the set-up that I wanted at less than the cost of the parts themselves. Before I got the Speedline forged magnesium wheels, there was a question of whether or not the caliper would clear. These wheels are awesome. 18 X 10.5 F and 18 X 13 rear . Required me to remake the front brake ducts but well worth it. What's up with the LM turbos? If you need, I can send you my stock ECU chips if you need to test them. I got my LM turbos from T. Rutlands. Are yours IHI ball bearing? Could you tell me the model number? Got mine a while back and wanted to see if there was anything new. Apparently all of the new replacement turbos are the LM style. |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 400
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 1:18 pm: | |
John, it is not nice to tease me!
We just ordered a remote pedal box from Tilton. We will need to fabricate a simple shelf to bolt it to, but no major fabrications and no holes have to be drilled.
Should have installed by next week,
Sounds like a cool system John, any chance of you posting some pic's? |
John Whelan (Fodee)
New member
Username: Fodee
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 11:03 am: | |
There exists an F40 dual master cylinder pedal box that they made for the LM,GT,GTE. I have one for my F40 but I am almost ashamed to tell you what it costs. Super trick, cast mag, typical Italian attention to detail. Safety Devices makes a power brake booster double master cylinder set-up that you can run with an electric vacuum pump. Really trick and super stopping. Bolt right onto the stock location but you must use the power booster. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2717
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 7:35 am: | |
Chris,
please shoot me an e-mail.
I have something that may be of interest to you. Something in the line of the 333SP. Can not give out more detail, am bound by confidentiality from that owner.
sorry all the other guys, if that changes I will post pictures as well. |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 7:24 am: | |
Chris, I told Mark my brakes were fading & he didnt believe me, Oh well, I got some track temps for him & will ask him about adding another master cylinder. Oddly enough I seem to drive faster when I have less brake available
Moving to Miami this month, Gonna stick around Homestead, Moroso, & Sebring but thanks for the invite. Let me know if u do any events in FLA or GA & I could b tempted |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 398
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 8:40 pm: | |
William, talk to Mark, he did the design on my system. Yes, it sounds you have the same problem I have with the stock master.
I also upgraded to titanium pistons (a $3,000) upgrade to keep heat away from the calipers.
Where do you live? There is going to be a track event Nov 9th at Gateway in St Louis, would love to see you there.
Chris |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 8:15 pm: | |
Chris , thanks thats a good idea, gonna ask the engineer at Brembo. Maybe thats why mny brakes fade after 4 or 5 hot laps.
Arnaldo, there r several choices for upgrade kit for the TR, its the 512TR that had no upgrades available |
Cmparrf40 (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 397
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 7:23 pm: | |
William,
congrats on your brakes! As you may have read, I sent my car to Brembo in Costa Mesa for a brake upgrade as well.
Some free advice, the master cylinder on my F40 proved inadequete to handle the new brakes, I suggest you consider changing to a dual master cylinder set-up. Brembo makes the master cylinders, buy a balance bar from Tilton.
You will have to have a machine shop build a "bridge" to bolt your masters to. We are in the early steps of developing the bridge for the F40.
I have watched you run, and you are damn fast, but if your TR is like my F40, you could have a problem stopping with your stock master cylinder.
best of luck, chris |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2715
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 4:56 pm: | |
can't wait to hear them scream in Homestead! |
Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member
Username: Caribe
Post Number: 409
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:43 pm: | |
William, what is the minimum size wheels to fit this kit? and do you know if it applies to the regular TR as well?
Thanks. |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1267
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 2:43 pm: | |
went & saw my new brakes today SCHWING!!!! damn they r fine, the biggest Brembo could fit within my rims. If they work as good as they look I'm gonna be screaming on the tracks |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1263
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:31 pm: | |
it was around $3500 per axle, I'll see if I can get pics soon |
Peter (Bubba)
Junior Member
Username: Bubba
Post Number: 155
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:20 pm: | |
BTW, how much does the kit cost? |
Peter (Bubba)
Junior Member
Username: Bubba
Post Number: 154
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:19 pm: | |
William, can you shoot some photos of the Brembo kit you got? Let's all get woodies! Yeah! |
Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member
Username: Man90tr
Post Number: 636
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 6:35 pm: | |
You guys are taking this stuff a little too seriously.. Ok, I confess I might have gotten a woodie too.. |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1259
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 5:28 pm: | |
The kit finally arrived from Brembo, gonna go take a look at my mechanics shop tommorrow. He said he & his crew all got woodies looking at the brakes I'll get my woodie when I see 0:59 at Lime Rock or 2:10:00 at Watkins Glen |
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