| Author | Message | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 245 Registered: 8-2002 |
WM, here's another 330 GTS for sale. A friend of mine found this and called. I think he said they were asking $245K! They've got to be negotiable. Anyway, I think it's a nice color combo. http://www.rpmvt.com/ForSale2.html#F330 | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2001 |
William, I bought the car in 1993. It was done in '88-'89 for the previous owner. The car was on consignment at LFSC and had been caught up in the market downturn after the "madness" of '89. Receipts for the work and parts totalled more than the asking price for the whole car, so I came upon it at a very good time. It's been a great car, although the engine work done by "Supercars" in Bologna was crappy. The cylinders were worn oversize and out of round, and they apparently just put in new rings (no hone marks visible even below piston ring travel zone). I spent about one year overhauling the engine and had new higher compression pistons made. It now runs like a banshee, has no leaks anywhere, and is totally reliable. There are some real dogs out there, so if you're contemplating a cut car, do a lot of research regarding what to look for before you go very far. Let me know if you need help. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 492 Registered: 12-2001 |
BillB: read your tech stuff; thanks for the reply. How long ago was your car done? Did you commission it or buy it from someone "done"? I am always skeptical about claims that "Enzo" or "Sergio" "slept there," thus my question about the true provenance of these purportedly authentic "fakes," if you get what i mean. (Not a slur, i'd have one if it were good). | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2001 |
Regarding the "cut" Daytonas done in Italy, I have one done by a company called "Autosport". The person's name is Bacchelli and he's located in Modena. Their work is outstanding, having done all the difficult chassis modifications including triangulated braces and steel inner fenders under the hood. Also the correct door trim pieces, "window-shade" sunvisors, and so on. Deck lid is stated on parts list as an original too. I've compared the car to an original, and can find no differences. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 433 Registered: 2-2002 |
I know what you mean about the 275 GTS. I used to love them, but then FIAT did their 3/4 scale take off on the car and it kind of turned me off. The dash is a little bland, but that is true for many cars of the era. I guess I need a good hard ride in one to change my mind. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 485 Registered: 12-2001 |
Thanks Dillie and Bill. I'm not so sure i want a resto project; as to 275, i somehow have a prejudice against them, less because of the mechanical shortcomings, compared to the later 330, than because of the FIAT looking front end and the partsbin dash elements. It seems like pristine 330 gts's are not undervalued at all. I will take a closer look at the Cosmo car and let you know if i need a look-see. As to Stramann's being the best, you may be right. But my friend tells me the Scaglietti's are even more "right" so if i go that way (and i think i mentioned some time ago that i took i ride in a beautiful cut daytona some time ago and the thing was rattly as hell), i'll let you know what i learn. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 432 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have to agree with you on the Sheehan car. The photos show a pretty ratty car. Good prospect for a ground up restoration, but I don't think you want that. Here's a link to another 330 GTS. At least the pictures look fairly good. And it's not red! Price is $165k: http://www.cosmopolitanmotors.com/ The 330 GTS is better looking than the 275, but if you're willing to consider it there is one here in Detroit. Here's the link: http://www.kipshewardmotorsports.com/make.cfm?Make=Ferrari If you're interested I could stop by and take a look at it for you. | ||
| Debbie (Dilly)
Junior Member Username: Dilly Post Number: 82 Registered: 9-2001 |
Stramann seems to have done the best Daytona conversions. The trunk lid of a Daytona is a weak point in most cut cars. A lot of shops made the lid flat instead of the slight curve that the original has. Stramann seemed to have the right line. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 484 Registered: 12-2001 |
L Wayne: i am in a cushy burb north of NYC in the fair county of Westchester. As to that car, i saw detailed higher resolution photos of it, and believe it or not, the good Mr. Sheehan made a house call when he was in NY a few weeks ago. The condition of the car put me off; everything needed to be done cosmetically, paint, interior, engine bay (if not engine and ancillarys as a mechanical matter; Mike S. claimed the car ran beautifully). Thus, for example, there was what appeared to be corrosion on the shifter stalk. I would wind up spending alot of money to get that car up to a standard i would enjoy, and then, we are in 275gtb/4 territory, or slightly south of real Daytona spider territory, or f-40 with a few miles territory, pricewise, if you get my drift. So, i passed on that car, based purely on what i could see from the photos, and Mike didn't disagree that, well, as soon as you pull the engine, you might as well redo it,etc. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1286 Registered: 2-2001 |
it was at Belle Macchine Concours several years back. I thought it was a Koenig but when I got closer I noted the differenced between thst car & the Koenig then I read Scaglietti on the flanks. of course the owner could have put it there but I sort of doubt that | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 184 Registered: 8-2002 |
WM, I know we've discussed M. Sheehan before, but have you checked out this car? http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/9691/9691a.html Obviously, there aren't going to be a lot of 330GTS's out there since there are only 99 or so worldwide. Let me know if you talk to MS about it and want me to have a look for you to verify its cosmetic condition as it's a local car. Then again, I don't know where you're located. Where are you, anyway? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 483 Registered: 12-2001 |
Excellent! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 181 Registered: 8-2002 |
All of the 365GT4BB, 512BB, and 512BBi production cars were bodied by Scaglietti. They were designed by Pininfarina, though. Still, I'm not familiar with a Scaglietti-designed 512. Do you have any more information? Could it have been the Koenig 512 (see photo below)?  | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1283 Registered: 2-2001 |
I saw a Scaglietti bodied 512 Boxer that had a wild Koenig style body | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Junior Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 180 Registered: 8-2002 |
WM, it's true. Scaglietti did convert not only Daytonas, but a few 365 GTC/4s as well. I'm not sure of the number of Daytona conversions, but it's rumored that there were 4 C/4's. Some of the supposed Scaglietti conversions, however, have turned out to have been converted by small shops located NEAR Scaglietti and using Scaglietti components. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 482 Registered: 12-2001 |
Ok, here's one for you older F car buffs (and Wayne). Been looking for an older v-12 convertible (like a 330gts) and have, on occasion, come across the odd "cut" daytona. I know Mike Sheehan did some in a past life, and so did Stramann. But there are occasionally reputed to be cars "cut" by Scaglietti. Is this total bullshit or what? Your thoughts would be appreciated. |