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TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi

Post Number: 452
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 12:06 pm:   

Jason

Given what line of work you are pursuing I think you will find these laws will work more in your favor down the line - good luck
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 61
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 11:33 am:   

That was all I wanted was to hear it from an attorney. Thanks, case closed, these are not for sale.
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart

Post Number: 174
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 10:51 am:   

Jason: Don't want to be a stick in the mud here, but whether you sell them or give them away, you are potentially liable, not just for copyright infringement (yeah, i know, a horse is a horse), but also for trademark infringement, whether or not Ferrari license or otherwise commercially exploit their logo in this market. (I am an ip attorney and deal with this kind of stuff routinely). Doing a "one off" for yourself may not get you into trouble (although technically a violation) but once you start making this stuff available to others, you will not like the feeling of the kind of doom and gloom the rights' owner can bring down on you. Keep in mind that they have no obligation to send you a cease and desist letter, that the cost of federal litigation is not cheap to defend, and that, at least insofar as copyright infringement is concerned, they are entitled to seek statutory damages (up to $150,000 per work infringed) even if you made not a dime. Also, they are allowed to seek prevailing party attorney's fees under both the copyright and trademark statutes, which means you'll pay for the pleasure of their legal aggression. Ferrari filed suit recently against Carriage House in Greenwhich, Conn., just based on the form of advertising CH used to promote its sale of cars as a non-factory authorized dealer. They have at times been quite litigious, so a word of advice: stay away from this, for your own peace of mind.
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 60
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 10:00 am:   

I was just joking about flying there. I don't plan on making any money on these. I would just like to sell a few to get back my investment money that it took my to make my own, since no one else makes what I want to buy.
David Jones (Dave)
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 87
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 8:18 am:   

I did not fly to Italy to buy them.
I took my family on vacation so they could see the many sites of that wonderful country...
One of our stops was the Ferrari factory.

By the way, on the subject of copyright...
Would you like it if someone took one of your designs and used it without your permission for their benefit???
Think about it...
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 59
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, April 01, 2002 - 3:31 am:   

I would be alot cheaper to have them custom made than fly to Italy to buy them.
David Jones (Dave)
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 86
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 4:02 pm:   

I picked up Ferrari earrings, pendant, tie pin, key chain and the such at a couple stores about 3 blocks from the Ferrari factory.
Ya just got to know where to look for this stuff..
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
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Username: Wsawyer

Post Number: 60
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 11:48 am:   

Nice design Jason.

This thread reminds me of a story I heard from an old marketing guy who was around in the old days. He was selling merchandise at the first Long Beach Grand Prix. Corporate Logo Lawyers weren't as prevalent at that time. He was having some tyvek Ferrari jackets made up in the Orient. The prototype came in from overseas but the back of the jacket seemed too plain since there was no design on it. He and his partner decided that they needed to have a Ferrari logo on the back, so they scrawled "Ferrari Logo Goes Here" on the back of the jacket and sent it back to their supplier. A few days before the race they received cartons full of Ferrari jackets with "Ferrari Logo Goes Here" printed on the back in a perfect reproduction of his handwriting! It was too late to do anything, so they displayed only the front of the jacket in their booth and sold them all. At the time he told me the story, in 1983, he said he still saw people walking around Los Angeles with jackets with "Ferrari Logo Goes Here" scrawled across the back!
Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Username: Eric308gtsiqv

Post Number: 240
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 10:10 am:   

Jason...those are very nice pendant and jacket designs. Would love to purchase a jacket (preferably in leather) like the one in your illustration. I've only seen one jacket that is similar on e-bay, but is sort of a varsity style jacket and is only offered in some huge size like XXL. Also found a web link a while back for a leather jacket that was similar but had FERRARI down one of the arms, but could never contact the company to order one. Ferrari wants to retain exclusive rights to their logos, etc. (and understandably so) but doesn't want to offer products that the consumer really wants for the most part. If they really want to sell some jackets, they should produce some like yours!
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 57
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 9:42 am:   

Ok I have been thinking and I am sure there are some lawyers in here so here goes. I am heading to design school in January and what if I offered this pendant and the jacket below for free when some made a certain dollar amount of donation to my school fund? Do you think that would work or stuff in violation?
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 12:03 am:   

I will keep that in mind Don. For any other inquiries please email me at [email protected]
DONALD GRIESDALE (Griesdale)
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Username: Griesdale

Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 8:13 pm:   

Jason, if you make them, I'll take two! E-mail with details. Don.
martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
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Username: Mw360

Post Number: 356
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 7:53 pm:   

Jason,
If you have a few made for friends I doubt there will be any problem but if you plan any larger distribution you are asking for problems-just not worth the agita in my opinion.
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 50
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 7:22 pm:   

Well that was my other thought. Find a company with Ferrari licensing to sell them for me, but if Ferrari doesn't license jewelery then that won't work. What do you think will happen? I produce them, sell them, and Ferrari send me a letter says to stop? Ok fine. Or will they send a lawsuit instead? Do you guys think there is a market for something like this to even take the risk? Thanks for all your comments.
Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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Username: Srpatterson

Post Number: 77
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 11:57 am:   

I spent forever finding Ferrari earrings for my wife. I finally found a source at Cavallino last year. He had a jeweler make them, at $300 a set.

This is the same old problem. Ferrari does not license their logo for jewelry, so the black market fills in the supply void.

Ferrari ownership is a point of pride. I worked my *ss off for years to be able to afford one (then two). I am very happy that my family has become as Ferrari crazy as I. But if my wife would rather have sterling Cavallino earrings than wear those god awful red tennis shoes, to show her brand loyalty, so be it.
Ralph R. Ebba (328gtb)
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Username: 328gtb

Post Number: 4
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 10:21 am:   

Jason, Although I'm not a big fan of jewelry,
I too was searching for a Cavalino pendant or charm. I found this charm which stands almost an inch high. It is detailed on both sides and looks a lot better than the photo. My local jeweler cut and turned the tail around for around $10.00 If you have a Griots garage catalog it is the exact replica of the logo they used on the Facom tool's page. The charm is not "Top Quality" but it works for me. http://www.kjjewelers.com/10gsolid14k.html
Jack (Gilles27)
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Username: Gilles27

Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 9:46 am:   

Jason--I have experience working with racing teams using their logos, and I can guarantee you that when it comes to protecting their images, Ferrari leads the pack. If you sell a few of these to your friends, nobody will notice. However, if you broaden your market, they will take notice. You can claim it's only a stallion, but the courts will draw the connection and give the benefit of doubt to Ferrari. Be careful.
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Username: Irfgt

Post Number: 906
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 6:08 am:   

The Jacksonville Jaguars used a Jaguar symbol similar to the car symbol and had to change it by the request of the car company.
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Username: Irfgt

Post Number: 905
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 6:06 am:   

There is probably a copyright on the LIKENESS of the design and it is possible to get some flack if they persue it.
Jason Godsil (Godsil)
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Username: Godsil

Post Number: 49
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 12:07 am:   

After many months of looking for a Ferrari Pendant I have quit my search. I have gone to a local jeweler to have one made. I have been thinking about producing them to sell because I am sure other people have been wanting something like this too. The cost on these would be in the $225-250 range and be solid 18K Gold, no plating here just top quality. These would be a pendant of a Stallion and not of a Ferrari emblem and would have no ties to Ferrari in anyway. What do you think about something like this on the market?

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