| Author | Message | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 359 Registered: 5-2001 |
Guys-thanks for all the feedback and thoughts.Guess I'll know Fri.(assuming the window comes tomorrow) whether the motor is o.k.I'll let "youse" know. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2071 Registered: 2-2001 |
You guys are scaring the hell out of me now. Is this some sort of well hidden Ferrarism? I've never been overly confident in the thin 308 windows to start off with. I think from now on I'm just gonna leave them open and solve this problem. | ||
| Eric Hawley (Eric)
New member Username: Eric Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2001 |
I had the passenger window on my 95 456 spontaneously explode a year ago. I had just finished washing and drying the car, and was walking around it checking out my handy work. I was standing at the rear passenger side bumper, looking forward, when suddenly there was a loud explosion, a lot like a shotgun going off. Glass chunks flew all over the place. If I hadn't been watching it, I would have never believed it. The best info I could find after it happened is from some glass people who pointed out that it was likely a flaw in the glass from the manufacturing process, just waiting for the right stresses to push the flaw over the edge, or maybe a scratch in the glass doing same. I'd guess it's likely the glass breaking had nothing much to do with your friends shutting the door. He was just there at the time the glass decided to give it up. | ||
| Mr. 001 (Racer_001)
Junior Member Username: Racer_001 Post Number: 61 Registered: 12-2001 |
Ahhhh the quality of an Italian car... :D j/k sorry about the window Mw360.  | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Junior Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 243 Registered: 11-2001 |
When your buddy closed the door it is quite possible that the "sweet spot" was hit. I had an old Chevy that needed some encouragement to get the power windows to close. I used to have to grab it and pull it up a few inches, then it would go the rest of the way. I don't know how many times I did this, but I do know it was plenty. Anyway one day I grabbed the window and Kabooom. I guess there is something in the way tempered glass is made, that if at the right or "wrong" angle will cause it shatter very easy? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2158 Registered: 2-2001 |
Probably on Martins' 360 the glass was installed with a minor chip or against a metal part of the window mechanism. When the door was closed the chip or pressure from the window mechanism on the glass caused the glass to explode. I think Ferrari should be liable. Good Luck, Right? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 915 Registered: 2-2001 |
I removed a door glass from a Mercedes once to replace the regulator. The part would not be in until the next day so I laid the glass on a bed of towels for overnite. When I got to work the next morning there was glass all over the shop. Somehow the thing just exploded by itself during the night. No explanation or reason, it just did. Sometimes Schitt Happens. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2062 Registered: 2-2001 |
lol, no. In hindsight I guess that did sound just a little bad. I was on rescue for a long time, all through highschool. When we got old cars donated to cut up (practice) we used to kick windows, strip the cars of anything good (I think I had like 30 scissor jacks at one point) before we cut them all up with the sawzalls and hurst tools. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 317 Registered: 3-2001 |
Hey Bret... now how do you know, "You can kick side windows all day long and the suckers wont break"? You wouldn't happen to have any direct experience attempting this, would you? :-) | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2059 Registered: 2-2001 |
Martin (miami) raises a good point too. It's hard as hell to break a window, even a passenger side one. Forget about breaking out a windshield without an ax or a sawzall. You can kick side windows all day long and the suckers wont break. I'm surprised that these did break so easily, must have hit just right, kind of like an accidental window punch. Steve I don't worry with my 308 windows, they go up so friggin slow you can't miss it when they hit the seals and to stop. I don't think my motors have enough guts to stress them. Once I swap the motors though I'll be sure to keep this in mind. Thanks. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 113 Registered: 2-2002 |
Brian I was thinking exactly the same thing. MW360, it IS possible also that the actual mehanism on the tiny door lever isn't working to pull down the window that 1/4 inch...... Also mate...good for you for being so understanding with your mate...I know how he must have felt. Also - these kids who go round vandalising cars are really F***ING ME OFF! Their parents don't give a damm and then the legal system lets them off the hook almost encouraging them to do it again... | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
New member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2002 |
Here's a thought... maybe the window motor burnt out? Then the glass didn't get pulled down the 1/4" when opened... then when shut, the top of the glass was outside the frame. My motor recently burnt out... my passenger got in and swung the door closed... it bounced back open... we looked at each other... he tried again a bit more firmly... no go... I got out and tried shutting it from the outside and noticed the glass being levered out... OUCH! I then opened the door, applied pressure to the top of the window as I delicately shut it, forcing the window under the door jamb, then I had to push hard to get it to latch. I could see if you slammed it real hard in that state, it could break the window. I hope to get that motor replaced tomorrow, actually. Brian | ||
| Steve Marcus (Marcus)
New member Username: Marcus Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2001 |
Speaking of parts...the light dome in my 360 had to be replaced...this took five months to get in. | ||
| Steve Marcus (Marcus)
New member Username: Marcus Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here's how my rear 1/4 window broke. I took the car in to Shelton for a replacement of the black strip that goes over the side windows. It seems that the black finish was coming off. They brought in a glass guy to pull the rear window before they could replace the part. Just as he was about to get the last corner out he shattered it. If I would have known they had to pull the window I would have insisted on not doing it until they had a replacement in stock. Years ago I had to have the front windshield on my Viper removed and resealed. The window guy would not do it until a replacememt windshield was brought in. It was shipped in, he pulled it and it did not break. | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 358 Registered: 5-2001 |
It certainly is possible that there was a defect in the window and yes if it was a US car I would make an issue but to even think about making an issue with a euro is peeing against a strong wind! My mechanic (Ferrari tech who opened his own shop) called FNA and the glass will be here in 2 days.I am sure that the glass would be cheaper in Europe but I'm not about to go that route with the sun finally shining in Portland. . | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 622 Registered: 1-2001 |
Richelson -- Yes, it was quite a shock -- at first I thought someone shot it out with a pellet gun or something (which would have been a great shot because I was doing about 70 MPH on US 101, but once I got into the door to do the fix it was obvious that the (crude) up-stop was not working at all. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1642 Registered: 5-2001 |
there must have been some stress on that window. I will bet you that only happens on imported ones  It is a Ferrari fail-safe to ensure that only US cars are in the US. It takes a lot to break a window. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 652 Registered: 12-2001 |
I had no idea this happens. Steve I bet it shocked you when this happened. Does this happen often? I usually push the window switch until the window is at the top and sometimes push it a few more times to make sure it is up to the top. I guess I shouldn't do that anymore. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2049 Registered: 2-2001 |
Stevem, it amazes me how long some of these parts take to get over here from Italy. My valve springs (they only had half the outers in the US) had to be made up over in Italy and sent over here. It took about a week and a half for them to make the springs, then another week to ship them over. This is for a 308, not exactly a modern or high demand car and they could do this fast and for a decent price. I can't understand how they can take so long with 360 parts. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1635 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, how can they not be responsible for paying for it. What a crock of sh*t. So letting these a*sholes do whatever they want and then our insurance has to pick up their mess, meaning our insurance goes up? I would have sued them in civil court for the damage on behalf of the insurance co. That just sucks! That makes me so angry. Do whatever you want and then say: - discrimination - religious freedom - temp. insanity - my dad abused me ...and off you walk with probation. Somebody please explain that to me! If you would have caught these guys and beaten the living sh*t out of them you would have gone to jail for agrevated child abuse! Their parents probably thought that they should not have even received probation!...and what the hell are they doing on the street at 2am in the monring to begin with? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 597 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hmm...I don't have any glass problems with my 360 so far. So what happened to your rear quarter window, Steve Marcus? | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 310 Registered: 3-2001 |
Martin, if it was a US car vs. Euro, do you think it might have been covered under the warranty? It sure seems odd for glass to break from closing the door.... even if it was a bit on the firm side. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 619 Registered: 1-2001 |
martin, et Al. -- I had the driver's window in my ex-308 "explode" just driving down the road -- turned out that the (cheesy) internal up-stop thingy had come loose so when I had last rolled the window up it put all of the pressure to stall the lifting motor on the glass itself. After that (and now), I'm very careful to not drive the window up until it stalls the lifting motor, but rather to just raise the glass so that it just meets the gasket (i.e., release the up switch manually when the glass is just to the full up position, not when the motor stalls). Just a thought that in addition to "please close the door gently" you might add "please roll up the windows gently"... | ||
| Tom Antal (Intenso)
Junior Member Username: Intenso Post Number: 70 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sorry to hear about your car. Doesn't it seem a little odd that the window would do this on a newer car? Is it possible there was a defect in the glass and Ferrari warranty would pick up the cost? If Ferrari can make glass to take the punishment of sitting over the engine, it seems to me like closing a door too hard is not that bad. | ||
| Steve Marcus (Marcus)
New member Username: Marcus Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2001 |
I hope you get the glass faster then I did. I needed a rear quarter glass behind the passeger side for my 360. Took two months to get from Italy. No one had it in the U.S. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 352 Registered: 12-2001 |
no accountability these days - no honor or restitution....such a shame. I do feel bad for your friend ...I would be devastated if I somehow damaged someone's car - especially if it was their pride and joy. Nice that you understood it was accidental. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
New member Username: Davem Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2002 |
Your right about finding glass for some to time to come. My x1/9 was broken into an it amazed me how much glass i would find over the next couple of years. I guess it was all that hard cornering i did that helped worked it out. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 596 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sorry to hear about your window, Martin. | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
Member Username: Dalbright Post Number: 292 Registered: 2-2001 |
3 teenagers busted out my front windshield and a side window in my Tahoe last year. My brother-in-law and I took an hour at a car wash to vacuum up as much as possible. We still got glass stuck in our a**es. $200 bucks later at a detailing place to get the rest out. After a year, I still find some pieces when vacuuming. btw - they caught the kids 2am at a Wendys bragging. Apparently they were running around running over mailboxes and trashing peoples cars. They admitted to it and only had to serve 3 months probation.....NOTHING ELSE. The juvenile officer said they didn't even have to pay for anything....because my insurance would take care of it!! | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 267 Registered: 10-2001 |
I had a car broken into one time so I know what a pain in the a** it is to clean up the glass. My prediction is you'll be finding glass pieces for the next couple of years... Sorry to hear about your 360! | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 357 Registered: 5-2001 |
today with the modena parked on a bias so that the driver part of the car was lower than the passenger part my friend got in the pass seat and pulled on the door handle to close the door.Gravity,wt of door,and too aggressive a pull came into play and as the door closed the pass window exploded into a million shards.No injury to my buddy but it took 1 hr to clean up the mess. New glass ordered $380 plus labor.I think my friend felt worse than I did. Just a warning for 360 owners to their passengers-"please close the door gently " and to owners be aware of this possibility. |