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arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 667
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 6:09 pm: | |
Arlie:
The only bad thing about living in California is dealing with those who don't and listening to their comments about the state. We are the world's 5th largest economy, and if a seperate nation, would have the world's highest standard of living. We also have the best weather in the US we can ski, we can surf, we have mountain roads for our Ferraris, and the only flaw is that on occassion the ground moves. IMHO
Art |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
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Username: Bill308
Post Number: 344
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 5:56 pm: | |
In CT, when a car reaches 25 years old, it becomes exempt from emissions testing. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 230
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 5:43 pm: | |
Sounds like it would be cheaper to simply move out of the Republik of Kalifornia and back into one of the United States. Then you could license your car, own a gun like the Constitution allows Americans to do, spend your tax dollars on Americans and not illegal aliens, etc. Or you could simply stay in Kalifornia, sell your Ferrari, weave a hemp floor mat with Woody Harrellson, car pool to work in Ed Begley's electric car, or just stay at home and hide from armed criminals behind Rosie O'Donnells bodyguard. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 666
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 4:41 pm: | |
Ron:
It depends upon the year of the car. If the car is required to have CATS, etc. to pass the emissions of the State where first sold, then California will require it. If you buy a later car, you can only import into California if over 7500 miles on the odometer. If the car is California legal, say a 348 or later, then it will have to pass the California test. HOWEVER, California has a different mandatory warranty time period than a 49 State car. I would always buy a California (a car originally sold in California) car if it is newer than 7 years old, because you then have an emissions warranty, and it can get expensive.
Hope this helps.
Art |
Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member
Username: 350hpmondial
Post Number: 160
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 3:00 pm: | |
Is there a rule in some states that allows cars of over 25 years in age to be smog exempt? |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
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Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 396
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:15 pm: | |
One correction to a post below:
1. Historical plates DO NOT negate the needs for a smog check if your car is newer than 1973. I tried that route, and the DMV pulled out the law book and showed it to me. What it will allow you to do is to pay very little for registration, but you get to drive it for only car shows and parades. You can not even park it on the streets.
So I don't know what other people did with their historical plates to ... get around the smog check thing, I could not do it. |
James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 148
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:36 pm: | |
The information I gave below is probably incorrect as it may only apply to a grey market car. Best thing to do is check out DMV, ARB and Consumer Affairs website. They will also have a phone number to call for additional information. |
James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 147
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:03 am: | |
I have brought into calif. a Euro 308 that has the EPA/DOT papers and at the time had current Texas registration. This is what I have found.
1. An out of state car brought into CA. has to pass the emissions test. There are no hardship clauses. Hardship is only given to those cars currently registered in CA.
If I was to do it over, I would buy a car that is already registered in CA.
2. It has to be tested by a State run Referee Station. When it passes, it gets the BAR sticker and from then on you can get it tested at any certified stations.
3. It has to have all its emission equipment intack.
Best thing to do is contact BAR for all the information.
My car is still not registered but its in a shop now and I am hoping the mechanic will be able to get it to pass. (I doubt it though) |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
Junior Member
Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 140
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:58 pm: | |
I have done a fair amount of homework on this issue during the past several months, culminating in the purchase of a California certified '83 512 BBi. Here is the real skinny.
1) - car older than 1973 - end of story. No one requires smog check - not even California.
2) - 1974 and newer - if officially sold in the U.S. by Ferrari of North America (that is, manufactured by Ferrari for U.S. consumption), then if the car is equipped with original equipment (whatever that may be - air pump, catalytic converters, etc), California registration is not a problem. Smog certification may be a problem, and may hinder registration, but in theory the car can be brought to California standards with the proper equipment.
3) - Car not originally manufactured for U.S. delivery. Example - 365 or 512 Boxer. These cars were only available in the U.S. via "Gray Market" importers. They had to modify the car to meet DOT/EPA standards by adding door beams for side crash protection, bumper height modification, safety glass (if not present), shoulder belt, amber rear lens to red, etc. The car then went to a DOT/EPA referee station, and if they felt okay that day, the car received the DOT/EPA certificate and was now able to be registered in 49 states - BUT NOT CALIFORNIA.
California cars required a smog certificate, which required modification to the engine/exhaust/fuel evaporative systems. There were several shops in California that did this. They either added propane fuel system, catalytic converters, air pumps, etc. The car was taken to a California referee station, and if passed, it received a B.A.R. sticker (Bureau of Automotive Repair). The B.A.R. sticker is mandatory for a non-U.S. model car to be registered in California.
Today, one can have a non-U.S. car or non-California car modified to meet California standards and receive a B.A.R. sticker. There are two shops remaining, one in Northern California and one in Southern (G & K Engineering - I believe this is the name of the Southern Ca. shop). I have spoken with them several times. For a BBi, it will cost approximately $5,000 and take 1 month. It is a turn-key operation. Bring the car in, leave it, pick it up in a month. This is what they do for a living.
I chose to purchase a car with B.A.R. sticker. In general, they fetch a little more money, but you avoid the hassle of re-engineering the car and taking the risk.
Jim S. |
Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member
Username: Rijk365gtb4
Post Number: 59
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 9:22 pm: | |
I gave up my '85 400i 5sp, since they are gray market cars and would not pass the new requirements in NY. So, I replaced it with a '71 Daytona, so i"m now exempt. Be careful with what you get. |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 778
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 9:10 pm: | |
2 other notes to add to the mix.
1. Certain cars some dealers will tell you it's impossible to reg/smog in CA like a 512bbi - yet there are a few in CA, not sure why exactly or what the deal is, but I know they had a 512bbi at FLG and they said NOT FOR SALE IN CA. Go figure.
2. If you are looking at a car >20 years old but NOT back as far as 74 you can apply for a historical vehicle plate (since the numbers produced should allow F cars to slide by) - this also avoids smog. I know someone with a 78 (IIRC) 308gt4 that did this. Not sure there may be other requirements.
HTH
-Ben
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Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 389
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 7:38 pm: | |
I am presently doing this myself. This is my take:
1. 1974 and later cars MUST meet smog requirement to be licensed in california
2. The car has to pass two test, emission and visual. So even if you pass the tail pipes test, and any of the required smog equipment is missing, you are required to find it and put it back.
3. If it is IMPOSSIBLE to find, you can apply for an exemption of the parts, but they will check the availability before they issue this. And if the parts are available in anyway shape or form, even if it costs $5000, you are required to buy it and put it on, no exemption at all.
4. Finally, if any parts are missing and you fail the first test, you will have to go to a state referee to pass you even if you get an exemption. These guys are good, but not perfect. Once you are in the system as having seen a state referee, you are almost always required to see one after that (the computer will know) and noone else can test you.
Palm greasing ... well, I know nothing about that practice. |
Ron Fabrizzi (Trf)
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Username: Trf
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 6:39 pm: | |
Hugh:
That's what I wanted to hear. I had assumed that there was a California-spec Ferrari, like a lot of cars.
Breathing easier now (no help from the CA Smog Nazis).
TRF
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 206
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 6:17 pm: | |
ron, if you bought a US model then it should be 50 state legal, unless, someone has removed some of the emission's equipment installed at the factory; all cars headed for sale in the US are pre-equipped to pass CA CARB inspection; it's legal from square one. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Junior Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 105
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 4:45 pm: | |
You can do it yourself, meaning installing the required equipment, but it needs to pass at the certified stations. They are connected to the state dmv and record the data. If you fail, you are required to pay the station to get the car to pass up to a certain amount of money determined by the age of the car. It is hard to fake an emissons test.
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Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member
Username: Henryk
Post Number: 250
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 4:16 pm: | |
Malcolm: Just curious; if one brings in a non-smogged Ferrari into CA, does the state require it be done by a certified facility, or can the owner do it himself? |
Malcolm Barksdale (Malcolmb)
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Username: Malcolmb
Post Number: 8
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 3:38 pm: | |
May I suggest you check previuos thred. Also check dmv for rules of the game. Here is my take, I have done it several times over the years. If it is pre 1973 car you are home free. Post 1973 cars get smogged. The smog stations are online to the state, the control info is at the states server, I think. The smog station will not test it unless the smog gear is present. I suspect this is tough to fake, their records are pretty complete. good luck with the sales tax. |
Ron Fabrizzi (Trf)
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Username: Trf
Post Number: 3
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 2:54 pm: | |
What are the options for a California resident who purchases an out-of-state Ferrari and needs to pass the smog test for CA registration?
Do I have to install cats, air pump, etc? This sounds very expensive.
Obviously, I would look for a car in CA first. But this narrows my choices.
My neighbor has a '94 Lambo Diablo and I think he's doing a little palm-greasing.
Any advice or stories?
TRF
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