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| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Tim I check my caps and rotors from time to time and there is no electrical pitting or errosion of any kind. I also installed 2 H.P. Accel coils. I changed the plug gap also because of the hotter coils. Look in the archives under keyword and NGK spark plugs ,there is a good bit of discussion on this. | ||
| Timothy J. Dressel (Tjd)
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Warren, I may be trying your plug gap trick, as I have the same problem. (Previous, previous owner over-richened the jets.) Do you know if widening the plug gap increases the distributor cap or rotor erosion? A consideration with their high cost. �Tim D. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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My car is a carbed car,as I mentioned, and I had a rich problem with it. Not having a F.I. car I really couldn't say, but it seemed to me as you described it, a bit unusual since F.I. is more efficient in the distribution of fuel than a carbed car. Just an observation. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Thanks for the tip, Magoo. My car is at FOA right for it's 75k service, etc. I will call today and run your advice by them. Thanks alot. when I get it back I'll let you know how it did. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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OK Dave, Nice talking to ya. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Warren, I just checked out that NGK site and it was pretty helpful. I have a carbed gtb with the original coils. I think I will run with .025 for a while and then take a look at the plugs and see how they look. Car seems to be running pretty smooth but I always am on the lookout to make it better. David (obsessive compulsive...) | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Hi Dave, I have a carb 308 GTS that was so rich that I couldn't be around it when it was running. The plugs were fouling and loaded with soot. I used a set of high performance coils and the NGK BPR6EVX plugs and a gap of .040. What a difference in the rich smell,now gone,the plugs burn a reddish brown, the performance was better and a miss that was there before was gone. I couldn't have been more pleased. It worked for me. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Geez, you posted the follow up before I could ask my question. I will check it out now, it looks like there is a bunch of info. David (Old Slow Hand) | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Warren, funny you should mention the spark plug gap. I have just been pondering the gap issue. In the owners manual it is recommended to use a .015" gap, I have seen suggestions of anywhere between .020 and.040. My old plugs were gapped at .030 and so I ended up going for .025 based on the fact that I had no idea what a correct gap should be. Can anyone illuminate this group on the theory behind the spark plug gap? David on the continuing quest for knowledge... | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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You will find in the archives under "KEYWORD" the discussion on plugs,{Type in {NGK SPARKPLUGS},and the different ranges and gaps that were used in other applications. Might help. | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Hey Dr.T, if the exhaust is that rich it sounds like something else is wrong. What plugs are you using. Some of us have used the NGK's and a wider gap which helps a lot. Just a thought. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Mark, I put a Tubi and a cat "test" pipe on mine. It makes a huge difference in throttle response and you'll love it. One big problem with a no cat setup: (not counting the obvious legal one) the smell. With the top out, your girlfriend, wife, whatever, is not going to like long stoplights. I can't even drive behind mine in another car with the windows down without my eyes burning. When it's back on, no problem. It's amazing what a cat filters out of a Ferrari exhaust. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Mark, You did the right thing. Don't worry, you will love it. Welcome to the the club. | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Shipping from Chicago area; I tried to buy a GT/4 but didn't get a response to any of my inqueries (quite common, out of multiple responses to WEB ads only 2 responded!)...I also initially considered a carb'ed car but opted for FI so as not to have to worry so much about elevation changes - I live in the Rockies but travel to much lower elevations on occasion. I will update to a K&N air filter, Nick's 'test' cat converter tubes and maybe an after market exhaust to help regain some of the lost HP of carb cars. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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Hi Mark, I just bought a 84 GTS QV 2 weeks ago. I am in love with the car. It sounds magnificent and drives like a dream. I drove about 20 different 308s from all years before I found this one. I have found that the injected cars are more reliable and do not need as much tuning as a carbed car. I do love those carbed cars though. I almost bought a 308 GT4, but I luckily found my car in Hemmings. Have fun with it. Remember that its not just a car, its a Ferrari!! -Mitch | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
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MARK-- where is it being shipped from? | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Mark -- To love and lose is (always) better than to have never loved at all -- enjoy! | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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For better or for worse, just signed contract and wired funds in full for a 1982 GTSi with complete records, recent full 30k service ,new window motors and new engine seal job, car cover, new tires - CARFAX report indicated everthing seller disclosed to me to a T .... should arive here (Colorado Springs) next week...my first Ferrari (had '69 911S for years)...hope I did the right thing!! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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u can probably get a 308QV for $25 these days  | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Thanks for the input, unless something major is wrong I think I will go for the GTSi! 0-60 never impressed me, its handling, stopping and passing power that concerns me - tired of being passed by 18 wheelers on 2% grades in my Saturn! (how I miss my '69 911S sometimes!). | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Mark, I have an 84 308. I think the 80-82 2v's are better looking. It was an 82 that I first saw in 8th grade that got me started. I prefer the 4 valve set up so I just "converted" mine to the 82 look. Now I have exactly what I have always wanted. Remember, life isn't a 0-60 race. I say if it is what you want, buy it. If you want a "fast" Ferrari for those stop light challenges we always get from every 16 year old in a new Camero, you'll have to go all the way to a 348 or 355 to keep up. Keep in mind that, by today's standards, the 308-328's just are not that quick (the fun part is that nobody else knows that). Get the 2v 308 because it is a Ferrari and I promise you'll not be disappointed with it if you keep a realistic image of the car. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
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Advantages of the 2V injected car are these --- 1) Better drivability than the carbed cars; 2) Cheaper than both the carbed and the 4V; 3) And the power problem is easily solved --- assuming you are going to license 'emissions exempt' --- the emissions detuning on these cars is easily removed, and the Bi/Si will out perform the carbed cars if it is set up correctly 4) For the money you save in purchase price over a quattrovalve, you can spend it on mods to your 2V that will smoke any 4V out there... | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Looks like the 308 GTSi folks accepted my offer, left me V-mail to followup Tuesday .... may soon have my first Ferrari after all! | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Let me clarify, I think the unpopular cars are the best ones to buy since they represent the best value...I miss my 82 gtsi like nobody's business, best lookin and best driver and best shifiting car I have ever had. I also love my mondial T it is a great daily driver and yu can't beat the top down feel and roominess of the rear seats,I really don't care that people ridulcule the monidal saying a ferrari shouldn't have 4 seats or that it is the "ladies car" (forza) what is that supposed to mean? I would buy a 82 gsti in a heartbeat but the conventional (forza) wisdom is not to buy it. I drove the gt4 and it is a great driver and good trunk space an d comfortable, spaciaous interior. I think they are a great bargain. But then there are people that only think "enzo" cars are pure or that only 12cyl cars are real ferrari. Who cares, if you love it you buy it,when spending your money only your opinion counts (unless of course you are a speculator and then what the market thinks is VERY impt.) | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Don't ugly ducklings turn into beautiful swans (sounds pretty sappy doesn't it)? J Least desirable? Not to the only 2800 of us around the world J | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Cmon Sam, You know there are people on this site who have those cars you refer to as "ugly ducklings and least desirable." MAGOO | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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I believe the GTSI is getting more bad press than it deserves. I have driven carbed versions as well as 328's and my 82 308 is just as fast if not faster and more driveable than any Ferrari I have ever driven. Even a Testarossa does not drive or shift any better, it is faster though. You may have to spend a few bucks to fix it up some but you would have to on any other 25 year old car. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Hey if you are not going to race one, they make great pets... for a daily driver I think they have the best of everything...the injected engine for drivability the best (original) shape w/o the tacked on basket handle and front vents and the updated interior and the price is right for a daily driver plus the the same fresh air targa experience...however, on the ferrari market they are universally loathed as the "in between" model slowed down by US emmisions but as a buyer you get a deal...and one of the least desirable cars next to the gt-4 so I see you like the ugly ducklings... you may want to consider the 3.2 mondial cab... you get the power and a convertible -- just drive and enjoy them and don't complain when you try and sell them... watch out for typical stuff but rust,and engine cooling problems. | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Any pros or cons to an 1982 308 GTSi? I understand they are dogs compared to GTS or QV 308's. I am looking at one with 32K miles with full service records including the 30K service for about $26K - Thanks! (also might be looking for a GT/4 if anyone knows of any good ones on market) |