| Author | Message | ||
| Roger Lomme (Roger_l)
New member Username: Roger_l Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2002 |
They just removed my 328 GTS engine. It takes 1 day to remove the engine, and 4 days to build it in the 328. 5 days of labor, 40 hours, $60,00 per hour just for the removal.... | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 558 Registered: 5-2001 |
The forza article quotes its prices for labor from F of S.F. at $120/hr.Wow,and I thought $83/hr here in Portland Or was high.Is this just Ca or are hourly rates across the U.S.at this level? On second thought I think I'll start a new thread with this query. | ||
| Jack Fried (Jack360)
New member Username: Jack360 Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2001 |
Interesting article in the current issue of Forza (starting at pg. 26) on this very topic -- includes price estimates for various services on the newer V8's and V12's. It's a good read. As a side note, according to the article, the 360's firewall access panel is "estimated to be worth about $2300 each time a major service is required." | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 339 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have been told that one of the advantages of the earlier Ferraris like the 328 and 308 is that the minors/majors were much cheaper. That a 348/355/360 would be about $2,500 more. At $80 an hour that is about 30 hours of labor. At $60 an hour that is about 40 hours of labor. With a 308 or 328 one would have to work in confined spaces. There would be a time savings with a 348/355/360 due to having everything right there in the open to work on. Of course this would be offset by the removal/install time. Looking at this 355, I thought I do not see an additional 30 to 40 hours of labor over a 308/328. Maybe I do not realize the entent of the work, hence the question. Is there really 30 to 40 hours more work than a 308/328? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1362 Registered: 9-2001 |
The 360 cam belts can be changed through an access panel in the firewall. A 348 cam belt can also be changed by dropping the gas tank. But, if you end up needing new cam seals or tensioner bearings, and you will, you will have to drop the engine anyway. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2181 Registered: 12-2000 |
I'm one of those mechanics. In trans class last Monday we did a R&R on a 1500 trans and I had 4 bolts left over. I think it was just the bolts holding the shifting boot down, but who knows. ;) | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2180 Registered: 12-2000 |
There's an article somewhere that I think the 360 doesn't need to remove the engine for belts. There's supposedly a panel you can remove on the firewall to access them. Mabye it's the new 575 and the panel is under the dash? Anyway, besides parts cost, I would think anything after the 456 without needed valve adjustments would be cheaper. The latest Forza talks about all the service costs of the late models. No one has had a major yet on the 360, but they only estimate $1,500 to 2,000 for the 30k. | ||
| Fred (Iluv4res)
Junior Member Username: Iluv4res Post Number: 110 Registered: 8-2002 |
Every time I see one of these cars pulled apart like that I get nervous. There are always those mechanics who have parts left on the bench when they are finished with a job. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 329 Registered: 8-2001 |
Seems like an interesting way to do it, but not rocket science. It does not seem to be maybe $1,500 to $2,500 in labor to do this.  | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 274 Registered: 8-2001 |
A mechanic once told me that a TR motor, according to the pricing guide they use, takes 8 hours to remove. After some practice, he admitted that he could do it in 4 hours........bet that they will still charge the 8 hours!!!!!!!! The cars you mention probably need the engine out, to do the service.....because of their longitudinal placement. Whereas, the earlier cars can have the major service done through a wheel well. However, you will need a LIFT to remove the, suposedly, easy-to-remove engine.......add about $5,000 for a good lift.......and the room needed to install it. I bought my lift 2 years ago and it has already paid for itself! | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 325 Registered: 8-2001 |
When looking at Ferraris, also like to see the guarage and talk to the mechanics if possible. Recently saw a 355 on a lift with the engine removed. Was told how easy it was to remove the engine and how much easier it was to work on. Easier made sense since everything was right there with no problems of working in a tight engine compartment. Was told it was just a matter of disconnecting the hoses and undoing eight bolts. Am not a mechanic, but from a workflow viewpoint it would seem that it would take less hours to do a major on a 348/355/360 than the earlier models. I could see nothing that would justify the much higher prices of a 348/355/360 major. Are there reasons for the higher prices or are people getting ripped off because 348s/355s/360s are newer and cost more? |