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Bruno (Originalsinner)
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Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 632
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 1:57 pm: | |
Single pipe was on the 77 euro also. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 2074
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:17 pm: | |
Single-outlet exhausts appeared on the very first few of 'Glass 308 GTB's in '76. |
magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3219
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 10:41 pm: | |
Bruno, I believe the only single pipe car was a euro model that had the muffler exposed. The U.S. car I saw with the oval valance was a GTB glass car. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
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Username: Newman
Post Number: 549
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 10:21 pm: | |
I have seen this oval hole cover as well. It is alot smaller than the big cat car style. It looks much nicer and I think the muffler is smaller, not needing the large louvered one. I would guess that is is a US version because I thought the euros never had a cover at all whether it had 1 or 4 tips. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
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Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 630
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 8:11 pm: | |
I think the 77 steel car had different exhaust look in early production.I beleive it was a single exhaust tailpipe?Just going from memory didnt look it up yet. Would love to get the chassis number. |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Username: Nuvolari
Post Number: 13
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 5:59 pm: | |
Actually the car is a 78 and for sure a steel car (I checked the A-pillar for this one). |
magoo (Magoo)
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Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3215
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 5:24 pm: | |
That car sounds like it is a fiberglass car with the valance that has the oval hole. The later U.S. cars had the louvered valance. |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Username: Nuvolari
Post Number: 12
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 4:47 pm: | |
Thank you all for the information so far. I am doing my best to research this car as much as possible before going to see it again. On thing I do not have (shame on me) is a chassis number. What is a little peculiar about this car is that it has an ANSA exhuast that does not look like the OEM one and it has the muffler cover with the oval and not louvered holes. I am told that the exhaust is original as is the rest of the car. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
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Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 620
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:52 am: | |
What is his chassis number.I'll research it.If it is an odd number I am sure it is a standard 308 .It may have been modified after market but not from Ferrari. |
Robert Moore (Nail_it)
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Username: Nail_it
Post Number: 13
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:48 am: | |
Bill
In the 70's there was no emissions testing, the only thing a auto maker need to do was submit a lettle of compliance for each model built.
Back in those good old days you could buy 100 octane leaded gas all most any where and 104 octane at a Sunoco.
I to had never heard of a "le mans' package" |
William Badurski (Billb)
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Username: Billb
Post Number: 78
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 7:53 am: | |
There was a factory-issue list of parts called "Elenco Particolari Speciali Per Transformazione Sportiva 308 GTB" dated 7-28-77. This listed many parts for race modifications, but I doubt that any such car would be able to meet US emissions regs. The list included 10.3:1 pistons, different camshafts, larger carburetor chokes and related parts, a special clutch, different transfer gears, shorter gearing, and body parts that include a large spoiler, and four wide fiberglass fenders. |
joe saldana (Ironjoe)
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Username: Ironjoe
Post Number: 97
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 5:29 pm: | |
how about Daytona package |
Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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Username: Kennyh
Post Number: 398
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 5:25 pm: | |
Will,
Isn't MillerMotorCars on the site of Chinetti's shop in Greenwhich? |
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2713
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 5:19 pm: | |
William, Herb Wolfe's car is cool as hell. Apparently he had some problems with Wide World of Cars and he brought it to us (snapped valve I think), we have the engine out of it etc right now. He's got a lot of cool stuff in it, a couple sets of heads, etc. That engine is friggin wicked. Not only is it running higher comp, cams, etc but it's diesel as hell from a strength view and has some very trick track based features to it. I haven't seen it on the track, but from what I hear it can move with the best of them out there in the FCA events. 308s are great. |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1486
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 1:50 pm: | |
I think Chinetti was a dealer back in 78, He was probably the only one you could get those options from |
magoo (Magoo)
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Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3200
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 12:54 pm: | |
As Peter mentions and what Tazios question is here is that it was not an option you could order when ordering a new 78 308 from a U.S. dealer. |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1485
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 10:50 am: | |
Tazio, Michelotto is to Ferrari what AMG is to MB. That would be as close to a factory upgrade package as you can get I believe. I think those Michelotto cars were primarily set up for rallys |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Username: Nuvolari
Post Number: 10
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 9:16 am: | |
I know the term 'Le Mans' has many people scouring their minds for visions of heavily modified race bred 308's. In my case, I am referring to a totally original road going 308 that has some factory installed upgrades from new. Perhaps the owner is not calling the options by the correct name however my interest resides in finding out about these supposed factory installed upgrades. |
William H (Countachxx)
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Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1483
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 8:52 am: | |
Ive seen the LeMans 308GT4 with the HUGE wing on the back. Ive also seen 2 or 3 308GTB Michelotto cars, 1 owned by Herb Wolfe & the other by Artie Wiener. I think Arie sold his.
The 288GTO & F40 & F40LM are of course descended from these 308GTBs |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Username: Peter
Post Number: 2067
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 12:18 am: | |
There were parts you COULD order straight from the factory, consisting of hi-comp pistons, P-6 cams, larger carb chokes and jets, different gear ratios (both for the bellhousing set and transmission set), high-flow ANSA muffler... See Forza #25 for the details ("Shop Talk").
I severely doubt that these were ever offered to U.S. buyers and probably only a few, well-heeled european buyers... |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member
Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 1478
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 11:06 pm: | |
Michelotto built some special cams for the carbed 308s, P2 I think they were called |
BretM (Bretm)
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Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2710
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:54 pm: | |
I've never heard of it either. As far as I know, the only modified 308s coming over with some light factory support were the Michelotto's, but you most certainly would not confuse them, especially the purpose built track ones. |
magoo (Magoo)
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Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3197
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:50 pm: | |
Somehow I find that hard to believe. It would still have to pass U.S. emissions. I have never read anything about that. There may have been a outfit or dealer that offered that type of option to beef up the existing 308. Otherwise I'm out. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
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Username: Art355
Post Number: 704
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 8:16 pm: | |
You might want to talk to the guys at Fantasy Junction in Berkeley California. I think they had a 308 which was prepared by the factory for Le Mans. If anyone would know I think they would.
Art |
Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
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Username: Nuvolari
Post Number: 9
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 8:06 pm: | |
Hi All,
I was talking to someone today with a 308. It was a 78 carb car and he was telling me that it had the factory installed 'le mans' package. Apparently this involved a higher performance engine from factory that had ,among other things , different cams. Has anyone heard of this or might the owner be mistaken? In 1978 what were some of the options available when purchasing a new 308?
If anyone has some info for me I'd greatly appreciate hearing it. I want to learn as much as I can about these cars and it seems like a lot of it is more urban myth than fact. |