| Author | Message | ||
| Al Johnson (Bigal)
Junior Member Username: Bigal Post Number: 81 Registered: 3-2002 |
David, What about someone who owns a Pantera AND a Ferrari? | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 573 Registered: 12-2001 |
Its a shame they didnt go ahead with the aluminum 351c that was originally planned for it. I looked a one a few years ago and of course the guy thought it was worth a fortune. It had the fender flares and a cleveland engine but the front bumper was all distorted and the floor pan was rotten looking. he wanted $35k. Its still sitting in his garage with the timing cover off. | ||
| David Harris (Dakharris)
Junior Member Username: Dakharris Post Number: 151 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dr. Tom: My brother has two Panteras. Pantera owners/collectors are very different from Ferrari owners in that the more highly modified a Pantera is, the more value it has. A stock, showroom condition Pantera with 10,000 mi. may be worth less than a modified car with 80,000 mi! Because of their age, a lot of maintenance has to be done to these cars to keep them in shape. Contrary to many of the posts on this thread, many of the parts are Italian and shared with the 308 series. Sure, the Ford parts are cheap (mustang, maverick, pinto, capri), but you need to check out the very expensive rubber suspension parts and mounts that need to be replaced if they haven't already. | ||
| Al Johnson (Bigal)
Junior Member Username: Bigal Post Number: 78 Registered: 3-2002 |
I've had my '74 since '88 and love it. It will blow the doors off a 308,328,348 and I imagine a few other Ferraris too, straight line of course. The Pantera has MONSTROUS, right now, snap your head back, power. There's this one big, looping overpass in town and when I take it with the Pantera I have to be careful the tail end doesn't coming around. The 308 with the same overpass? It's like it's on rails. The Pantera doesn't handle or brake like a Ferrari and of course, it's not a Ferrari. Another way to look at it: the Pantera is in your face, the Ferrari is finesse. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 350 Registered: 4-2001 |
mostly ZF... | ||
| David White (Dwhite)
Junior Member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2002 |
I have heard that the gearbox are very expensive Hewland units - possibly made of unobtanium. I remember seeing them at the NY Auto show as a kid. They still look great if it's a chrome bumper original. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 184 Registered: 3-2001 |
Im sorry to be blunt here, but Pantera's are pigs on the track. True, as everyone here has said, fast in a straight line, but that is it. I cant speak for the drivers abilities, but I have NEVER been passed by one on the track. Of course, the fact that the technology is much older should be taken into consideration. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
Junior Member Username: Doug308 Post Number: 204 Registered: 2-2001 |
I purchased a Pantera after selling my 308 last year. The car is a blast, but so was the Ferrari. Mine has been modified however and puts down 320hp and 370ft/lbs to the rear wheels with a mild cam. Mine has been fuel injected, so it is very streetable. I put 5000 miles on it in my first year. The cars are great in a straight line and if set up correctly can be good on a track. All Panteras are pre-galvanized so you have to be careful with wet weather. Ferrari engine parts are more expensive and you cant go down the the local PEP Boys for distributors, plug wires etc... The biggest question when buying a Pantera , IMO, is do you want modified or original. If you want modified, buy someone elses investment. Otherwise, you pay for both the original car and then the mods. If you have further questions, let me know. Pics are at http://photos.yahoo.com/ziggymeredith | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1494 Registered: 2-2001 |
Back around 94 I thought about getting a Pantera. I studied them & discovered that to build a seriously bad GT5S that would tear up the tracks I would be looking at nearly $100k, back then. So I just got a Countach instead. early Panteras were rust buckets, the brakes & suspension were marginal but they had good power. Not so good if you ever want to resell it | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 789 Registered: 2-2001 |
Down to interpretation? I thought Ferrari owned Maserati? Ernesto | ||
| Drew Altemara (Drewa)
Junior Member Username: Drewa Post Number: 63 Registered: 2-2002 |
I owned a 71 Pre-L for about 5 years. It is a great car for the money. It will smoke a 308 straight line; I also owned a carburated 308 at the same time. However I still prefer the 308 to drive. There is a difference between the 71/72 pre-L and the 73/74 L models. The primary difference is the L is a little more refined but has the large bumbers and is down on horse power. Most owners of these cars are in to modifying and tuning them which is a little different than most Ferrari guys I have met. Maintenance is very easy since it is a Ford engine which in most cases the Autolite carburetor has been replaced by approximately a 650scfm Holly carb. There is good club/web support for the cars and about half a dozen of good parts places. I never had a problem finding parts. Some parts were "Ferrari" expensive but most were a lot less. It has bags of low end torque. It is a muscle car with an Italian mid-engine body. I really enjoyed the car when I had it. Its build quality is not as good as a 308. I never thought it handeled as well or sounded as well as a 308. But for the money, it a darn fast straight line car. I was glad I owned the car but after 5 years grew tired of it. The cars are very popular in CA. I think its harder to sell and buy a Pantera unless you are in California. The person who bought mine has a web site www.panteraplace.com which is now the most heavily trafficed Pantera web site on the net. You may want to take a look at it. Good luck. Hope this helps. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 270 Registered: 4-2002 |
mas=Fer all down to interpretation Fiat=Ferrari too | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 786 Registered: 2-2001 |
Maserati = Ferrari | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 686 Registered: 3-2001 |
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| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 267 Registered: 4-2002 |
Surely the Mut description could be pointed at most cars these days and days gone by. Not too many thoroughbreds around...most seem to be F cars. Having said that latest rumours of the next 360 being a Mut (Maserati engine). | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 684 Registered: 3-2001 |
The Pantera is very different from the Ferrari. Recall Enzo's claims... he never built cars, he built engines. The Pantera was just the opposite. DeTomaso built the car, NOT the engine. My brother has a '74 Pantera and has owned it more than 25 years. Early Panteras (pre GT5s) were produced between 71-74. These cars had the Ford 351C (Cleveland) until that engine was discontinued in '73 for the 351W (Windsor). The engine is bolted to a ZF transmission, the same one used in the Ford GT40. The car is cool with a mean, deep growl. Most owners have put in hot cams, headers, manifolds, etc. It's an Italian designed car with a mid-mounted American engine so you can take it to virtually any mechanic for a tune-up. The Pantera was sold through Lincoln Mercury dealers in the US. Early cars sold for $8500 and the 74 sold for less than $12,000. It competed with the V6 246 Dino which (I believe) was selling for approx $14-16,000. It was never a great car but I'd love to have one. Old Pantera's still turn heads. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 489 Registered: 3-2001 |
I think it is a Ford 351 Cleveland. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 406 Registered: 8-2001 |
The Pantera is a mut  Part American, Argentinian and Italian (possibly German) I believe... Basically, they drop a big American motor into their chassis... What engine is in this car? Mind if I ask what you are paying for it? I hear that they are very similar to the Lamborghini Countach on the track, great in a straight line, but the handling and braking is below par... | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 261 Registered: 4-2002 |
forgot to say, post some pics of the car if you get the opportunity. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 260 Registered: 4-2002 |
Grab it, I've always loved the look of those cars. It would have to be mint though, and 'in addition to' my F car, not instead of (but then that should go without saying I guess). | ||
| thomas pallan, M.D. (Doctp12)
New member Username: Doctp12 Post Number: 14 Registered: 7-2001 |
just wondering if any of us also own a detomaso pantera, driven one, and how the car compares to a 308/328/348/355/360., on the street and on the track. I was offered a '74 pantera in showroom condition with 10,000 miles from a good friend that has treated this car like his first born. Opinions please! |