| Author | Message | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 392 Registered: 11-2001 |
You fellas are just too funny, cracks me up "this vs that" blah blah what about Porsche vs Ferrari or a Civic! phooey... you ready to make this decision before buying any of these cars soon? who gives? which one makes you feel better when driving either one? No N20 Ernseto! a challenge? from Madmax? must be from downunder! this one was overlooked.... Pssst, Mitch, someone does care... | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 279 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well said Roger!  I'll drink to that (root beer of course). | ||
| Roger Arlen (Rogera)
New member Username: Rogera Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have driven both cars quite extensively on road courses and for me the 2002 Z06 is about 4-5 seconds faster over a 3.0 mile course (Thunderhill), which is a pretty substantial delta. The experience is very different in the two cars. The Ferrari is very precise, although it can get a little bit skittish. The brakes on the 360 are more predictable, more consistent and have better feel than the Corvette. The F1 gearbox on the track is nothing short of magical. The Z06 is faster because it generates a silly amount of grip and has immense torque to launch you from turns. I've never driven anything that has the handling prowess of the Z06. For sure the Goodyear Supercar tires are part of the equation, but the Z06 has a very sophisticated active handling system that is tuned for the race track, not tuned to keep an unsuspecting driver out of trouble on the street. One of the most interesting comparisons is about the sound the two cars make. Neither is better, and they are both fantastic. The Z06 is pure booming American muscle while the Ferrari is a fantastic metallic staccato! In terms of the experience, neither is "better" than the other. They are both extremely rewarding. The fact that the Z06 is faster doesn't make it a better car, just a faster car. One guy's experience. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2756 Registered: 2-2001 |
And remember the C4 platform was being produced before Ferrari even really started on the 328. It stuck around for awhile, but was essentially built against the 308. That it could evolve and keep up with a 355 says a lot. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
New member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 46 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think Tenney is on the money, in fact the ZR-1 was very comparable in Performance terms to the TR at the time, and far better performing than the 348 was. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 260 Registered: 2-2001 |
Performance-wise, a ZR-1 Vette would've been about as comparable to the 355 in '95 as the Z06 is to the 360 today. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
New member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 45 Registered: 9-2002 |
So true, if you read the book All Corvettes are Red I think you will see some seriously passionate Corvette Engineers (must have some italian blood in them). The C5 was a gigantic step in the right direction, I hope the C6 will continue in the same direction with more focus on interior refinements and quality of materials. I think the new Corvettes are wonderful everyday drivers, the Ferraris however are in a different world. | ||
| Chris Tanner (Ctanner)
New member Username: Ctanner Post Number: 37 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'm impressed with the advances the corvette has made with the C5. Here, people are seriously comparing a new vette with a new 360. Think back 5-6 years. Could people really have compared the C4 vette with the 355? I doubt it!! Kudos to the engineers and management staff of Chevy for finally getting their act together and building a awesome sports car. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
New member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 43 Registered: 9-2002 |
There was an issue of R&T that had a comparison of Cars (550 vs 360) (Z06 vs. Z28) (NSX vs. S2000) I remember on a road course the 360 was fastest followed by a Z06 (01 Model Year) followed by the 550, if I can find the issue I will post it. Anyway, having had a C5 and owning a 355, different cars, both excellent for different reasons. Good post though. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 278 Registered: 3-2002 |
lol.. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 194 Registered: 3-2002 |
But the Supra IS a Supra, and we all know they are the best cars ever made!!!!!!! (extreme sarcasm intended) I don't like those bubble cars anyways! | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 276 Registered: 3-2002 |
When you look at it the Corvette is a glorified sport coupe with a muscle car motor while the 360 is a glorified Dino... lol :p Still, I crave both toys. | ||
| SteveF (Stevef)
New member Username: Stevef Post Number: 48 Registered: 12-2001 |
these threads are always pretty funny. I always have to laugh when it comes to benchracing because often there are so many variables you can't really draw definitive conclusions unless there are significant differences in the numbers. both cars are great and I'd feel fortunate to own either. anyway, given equal drivers, I figure the z06 would win because the 360 owner has alot more to lose if he totals the car. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 811 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mitchell, you're too funny! LOL! Ernesto | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 2119 Registered: 2-2001 |
If the race were 100,000 miles I am sure the Vette would win. The engine would have to come out of the Ferrari twice versus 0 for the Corvette. The Corvette would only require oil changes during that period. If you went by the Dealer recommended services the engine would have to come out 3 times or more. | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 311 Registered: 4-2002 |
High drag tends to go along with what I noticed at the track this summer at Road Atlanta. They keep even with my track car up to 100 or so. Then I start pulling away. I know they have more frontal area but I did not know about Cd. I attributed their falling back to their frontal area or conservatism. These were Z06 corvettes, and this is not my 328. Probably will find out more on November 3-4. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2748 Registered: 2-2001 |
I love these debates, I laugh so much when I read through them (not trying to be insulting at all, I do enjoy them and am glad we have them at FC). A couple points: The 3.6L of the 360 is a gas guzzler compared to the 5.7L of the vette. On the track it would be interesting to see what the differences are (the vette wouldn't be using it's something like .56 overdrive to sway the stats as much) but remember that throttle input and rpm are pretty much the two biggest determining factors in gas mileage. Hence my jeep with a 258 inline 6, floored half the time going up the connecticut hills in 5th gear will get horrible gas mileage compared to if it had a Chevy 350 which would have enough power and torque to just cruise up the same hills. Vettes are amazing, but the debate (even though I like it) is somewhat ridiculous, the vette is so much less expensive that it simply cannot be built as well as the 360. As a street car it is a very hard decision as they are both sweet as hell, but as a track car the 360 would trounce the vette. As was brought up here in one post, after a day of tracking the 360 should soundly begin to pull away, in particular the braking which is far superior on the Ferrari. BUT, this is only on a car being tracked very heavily. I think in the One Lap of America the ZO6 was just about the most common entrant, it clearly can handle track time, but to say it could handle it as well as the 360 would be somewhat of a stretch. In the short run though it's almost a toss up between the two IMO, as has been said both have pros and cons. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 281 Registered: 4-2002 |
How much Hp does your Supra Have? How much does it weigh? What's it's drag co? The vette's is .40, hardly good, but not THAT bad. With the Hp advantage I'd say it'd take your supra. But there is only one way to know eh! :D | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 810 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yeah, I would like to see that vette accellerating from 140 to 185... it would get KILLED... it can have 6,000hp... no chance... Ernesto | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 2116 Registered: 2-2001 |
http://www.autosite.com You can go to this site and click on Comparison and enter the Corvette type and then after the Corvette stats come up you can hit Compare and then enter the Ferrari type and it will give an eye opening independent comparison of the two stock cars. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 190 Registered: 3-2002 |
I really like those HREs on the vette. I think a 355 or 348 would look killer in those. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 280 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ernesto, lol, not a chance. When tuned hard, this vette has over 2,000hp (no N20) | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 809 Registered: 2-2001 |
wow, that vette is impressive! well, at least maybe up to 110mph, after that it would be toast... Ernseto | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 279 Registered: 4-2002 |
I beg to differ on your Supra View. There is not a Supra on earth that can touch this street legal vette:    But who cares? ;) | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 273 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ah... so it's... Supra Ferrari Corvette... That's not right... :p | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 189 Registered: 3-2002 |
Jesus! Where did the 550 come into view?!?! Too bad a Supra will destroy any car you can conceive of... | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 277 Registered: 4-2002 |
Lol, people can sure come out of left field. :-D | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 975 Registered: 8-2001 |
Never said it was, Frank. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1403 Registered: 9-2001 |
Willis, I know you love your 360 but it just isn't as fast as the 550 stock or modified. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 276 Registered: 4-2002 |
Uhg. I love the 360. I would take a dump on a Z06's hood to get at a 360. But that doesn't make the Z06 slower than a 360 in a turn, stock for stock. I thought that's what this thread was about? There is more to Ferrari than speed. So much more. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 807 Registered: 2-2001 |
The Z06 can be three times faster than a 360. So what? I am still very unimpressed with the whole car... very bland and poor quality interiors (for my tastes)... impressive performance aside, of course! Ernesto | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 806 Registered: 2-2001 |
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| Ace (32tl)
New member Username: 32tl Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2002 |
I was simply tryin to compare the 2 cars STOCK for STOCK, not modify this or modify that, b/c then it gets into who has the bigger wallet for the mods. Is there something on-line or a magazine issue that has tested the vehicles stated earlier that shows hard facts? Or if any one has had an experience with both with equal drivers? didn't mean nor am i tryin to start a flame war. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1502 Registered: 6-2001 |
Last time i checked corvettes get better gas milage than 360's. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 972 Registered: 8-2001 |
Where in this whole site did I ever say the Vette was "bad" because it's made in the USA? I don't really care where the car's made as long as it's good and appeals to me. Just because I drive a Ferrari doesn't make me an "Euro-car snob". Frank, if you're trying to make me feel bad about the 360, forget it. The Vettes in ALMS were highly developed factory racers in the GTS class. The 360 in the race wasn't even a regular in the series and ran in the GT class. The 360GT in Grand Am, however, is doing just fine. | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2001 |
uh, don't forget the 360 has a 3.6L engine while the Z06 has 5.7. If the 360 burned as much gas it'd be putting out nearly 600hp and would eat the z06. that being said, i like my z06 just fine thanks. ;) | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1401 Registered: 9-2001 |
At the Petit LeMans the C5s and Vipers trounced the 360s, although the 550 was faster. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2002 |
People always say the following about both the Corvette and the Viper: "It can't handle" "It'll fall behind in the twisties" etc.. All of this is ridiculous. The Viper and the Corvette handle every bit as well as the 360. Track records and skid pad numbers back this up. Just because it was "made in the USA" has nothing to do with it's weight and handling. I would rather drive a slower Ferrari than a Fast corvette, but lets get the fact straight, it makes us look bad. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 971 Registered: 8-2001 |
Viper? How did a Viper get into this thread? | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 273 Registered: 4-2002 |
"I think the Z06 has an edge in the straights but the 360 would have the advantage once the road get twisty." Where do people get this stuff? The Viper can't take a corner either... :rolleyes: | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 970 Registered: 8-2001 |
Once you upgrade, the comparison would not be valid. It's like some of the old threads here and elsewhere that everyone and their souped-up hotrods compare their MODIFIED cars to a STOCK Ferrari (pick any Ferrari). I think the Z06 has an edge in the straights but the 360 would have the advantage once the road get twisty. It's probably a pretty even match overall. | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
New member Username: Mojo Post Number: 44 Registered: 9-2002 |
Don't forget Z06 cost 1/3rd the price, so there's room for upgrades. BTW I read the thread about Sawyerr and my hats of to Mitchell L., first one to catch what that idiot was doing. And then did'nt let up. GOOD JOB!! Mojo | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 271 Registered: 3-2002 |
In some tests I've read the ZO6 is faster. But not all. After 10 laps the Z will get owned by the Modena. It's brakes aren't as great as the 360's. An F1 system will most likely be faster too. Now, in a drag race, the ZO6, with a good driver, will probably win. It has 5 more hp, weighs a bit less/equal, and it has better torque. As for gearing, I think the Modena's is suited for a race track as well. Just my $0.02. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 270 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ace, I doubt it. The cars are about the same on most courses, with the Z06 faster on a greater percentage of courses than the 360. | ||
| Ace (32tl)
New member Username: 32tl Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2002 |
I tried to post this topic at corvette.com also, but i have yet to have my regitration approved. When i do get approved, hopefully, i will post it there also to get there feedback. Or if some one can copy my post and post it there for me, thanks? So the F1 transmission in the 360 makes that much difference on a road course? | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 269 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tim, you're right. Jeff Gordan could hold his own with Schumacher any day. ;) | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2002 |
Isn't Nascar mainly about powering around an oval track? Whereas, F1 runs on more challenging multi-corner tracks that requires braking and passing skills? I wouldn't underestimate the skills of an F1 driver..... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1500 Registered: 6-2001 |
Anthony, input from your friend who dirves the BBi, 308 and corvettes would be needed now. He says that the Z06 would win hands down. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1499 Registered: 6-2001 |
I dont know about that, jeff gordon is a hell of a road course driver. I want to see schumi throuwing that huge 3,200lb car around those courses at such high speeds. Schumi has all those elecronic aids in his car, gordons car has nothing. Schumis car taps the wall- its out. gordons gar hits the wall- take a mallett to the fender and get out the 200mph tape. I should stop, i dont want to get into the CART, F1, etc vs NASCAR debate. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 267 Registered: 4-2002 |
Drivers being equal, I think the advantage is with the Z06. Now... with Schumacher driving the 360 and .... uhh .... Jeff Gordan? Driving the z06, I doubt the result of the race would be in question. ;) | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 259 Registered: 2-2001 |
They're close. The winner will likely be the car with the faster driver. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 262 Registered: 4-2002 |
I'm sorry to say, on most tracks the Z06 would win that race.  | ||
| Ace (32tl)
New member Username: 32tl Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2002 |
Can someone please let me know which a faster around a race track and give me the link or artcile to prove it? I have a friend who seems to think that the ONLY reason the 360 F1 beats the ZO6 around a racetrack is b/c of the paddle shift transmission. He thinks if u take the tranny out of the equation and they both use 6speeds then the ZO6 will win simply b/c it has MORE TORQUE. Any response or information will be much appreciated. |