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ross koller (Ross)
Member
Username: Ross
Post Number: 516
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 9:01 am: | |
grant, sorry, i just found your answer on another archived thread. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 1646
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 8:59 am: | |
sound plus if I am not mistaken the 512 bb was the last carbd ferrari v 12 |
ross koller (Ross)
Member
Username: Ross
Post Number: 515
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 8:57 am: | |
am building up a little database of opinions and info for my eventual search for a 512bb. so would be interested to know why you two would prefer the carbd versions instead of the injectors? |
Grant Gilmour (Grantgilmour)
New member
Username: Grantgilmour
Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:07 am: | |
I'd rather have the carb'ed car too, now that mine have been rebuilt. I can't believe that prices have moved that low. Wish I was buying now rather than two years ago.
Ken, I'll send you an email once I get my final bills in for the rebuild. It's giving me nightmares guessing how much it is going to total up to. |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member
Username: Kdross
Post Number: 166
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:26 pm: | |
A mint condition 512BB should run $60K-$65K, and that is for a Platinum show car. A 512BBi will run about $20K more. For my money, I would rather have the earlier carb'd car. |
Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
New member
Username: Ferrariguy
Post Number: 35
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:23 pm: | |
Hi Grant, Ken, Adam
Aren't 512BB about the same price as a 355 these days?
I was looking at the 512BB before I bought my TR on the advice of my housebuilder (he owns an early 512BB). The TR is fantastic but on mine I find it follows every crack on the road. Could this be because of tire pressure?
p.s. Adam, I'm an independent consultant to IBM (glad to meet some IT guys here!) |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member
Username: Kdross
Post Number: 165
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:12 pm: | |
Grant:
A 355B would be the perferct car for me, but I do not have $85K-$90K for a car right now. I am also looking for a 512BB Boxer. It has the styling of the 308 but with a 12 cylinder. I would love to hear your comments re: the 512BB and any related ownership issues. Send me an email at [email protected].
Thanks.
Ken
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Grant Gilmour (Grantgilmour)
New member
Username: Grantgilmour
Post Number: 20
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 10:07 pm: | |
Ken, have you looked into a 355? It might do the job and it is probably the best looking of the 3xx series car.
I went with the 512BB because the 355 was too expensive and I liked the older cars. But since then the prices have come down a lot. There should be some higher mileage high quality 355s out there at good prices. |
Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member
Username: Icnsltmfg
Post Number: 430
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 12:39 pm: | |
Many of my clients are global automotive companies and suppliers. I specialize in the manufacturing and distribution process including dealer operations, so many of the companies ask me to help in the evaluation of new vehicles. I am a Principal for IBM Business Consulting Services. I am more on the business consulting side, yet e-biz is a big part of what I do. |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 528
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 11:22 am: | |
Adam: What kind of evaluation do you do for the auto industry? |
Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member
Username: Icnsltmfg
Post Number: 428
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 10:35 am: | |
I do not have too many problems with bottoming out. The only time I have to be careful is in and out of drives for the front spoiler. The car is low, but not too much of a problem. Even in NYC it is not too bad. |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member
Username: Kdross
Post Number: 164
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 10:01 am: | |
Adam:
How do you deal with the low clearance on the TR? The car I drove seem to bottom out on just about anything over 1 1/2" in height. It was a PITA driving the TR knowing that I would bottom out so easily. |
bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 1080
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 9:04 am: | |
ken
i agree also with adams opinions as well as my opinions on the thread" hey tr guys"
for each his own and also what funds you have to obtain your choice...
ken, i love my car, and if i wanted to upgrade, my only choice would be the 512tr or the M
REGARDS,
BRUCE |
Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
Member
Username: Icnsltmfg
Post Number: 427
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 8:54 am: | |
Having driven many of the F-cars over the years, Dino, Daytona, 3 Series, and the TR, The TR is one of the best all around drivers. It handle's very well around town, in NYC, the highway, and the track. The cabin is big and comfortable, the seating position is wonderful with plenty of room for you and luggage, the engine and trans is very smooth and will lug at 3K with no complaints or roar at 6500K on the track. The sound with a Koenig exhaust is near V12 Daytona sounds. Many times I will take the car on the back roads of NJ and just cruise at the speed limit with a CD on and it is a joy. The only time it is a bit hard is parking due to the heavy steering. I was at a wedding on Sat night in Bergen County and driving home after 2am, and tired, it is just a joy to drive. I think it is one of the best all around sports cars. Any of the cars you test you need to drive for a bit of time over many diffrent conditions. When we evaluate cars for the industry we have very specific criteria we compare each vehicle against and drive the exact same route, urban, highway, country roads to best understand the way each handle. More critical is the way each driver mixes his / her personal opinions into to the equation. I guess that is why there are over a 1,000 plus models of cars to choose from. |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member
Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 510
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 6:21 am: | |
Thanks for the comparison. I want to go out and test drive a TR now. I know wxactly what you mean about driving the 308 in traffic. Anyway great comparison. |
David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
New member
Username: Darkhorse512
Post Number: 15
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 2:00 am: | |
I'm lucky enough to have driven each car. You're right Ken, the performance limits of a TR are a little too high to enjoy on public streets. To stand on the throttle in the first 3 gears you need balls and an empty freeway on ramp. The 308 delivers all the F-car qualities well within average driver ability. For pure shock value (driver, passenger & pedestrian) I would choose the TR.
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Bart McMurry (Mcmurb)
New member
Username: Mcmurb
Post Number: 6
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 8:06 pm: | |
I am lucky enough to own one of each. I will tell you that since I bought the TR two years ago, I rarely drive the QV. Like you said, there is no comparison. What I like about my Tr is the modern interior finish, cool interior temperature (matters alot in FLA), smooth torque and exotic look. What I like about my QV is the removable top, view of the round fenders over the hood and nostalgia of my first f-car.
the reality though is that my QV is becoming a garage queen since the TR joined the stable. When guests come over and given the chance, nobody wants to ride in the QV, they take the TR every time. |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member
Username: Kdross
Post Number: 163
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 7:46 pm: | |
Thanks to a kind TR owner, I had the change to sample a TR for a few days. While I have driven a few TR's before, this was the first time I had the chance to drive a TR after owning my 308 QV for awhile. Below are my thoughts on the TR.
1. The TR has a ton of torque. Being a 308 QV owner, having a car with a lot of torque was big plus. I did not have to redline the car to keep up with traffic. Shifting at 3K rpm was just fine.
2. The TR is a lot like a Mercedes in that the ride is rock solid. This is in contrast to my 308 which is a nimble little car that can be thrown around a lot. This may have a lot to do with the TR being so big and heavy.
3. The engine in the TR is so smooth. While I much prefer the sound of my 308 QV, the TR engine is much more refine and flexible.
4. While the TR is much faster than my 308, it is hard to stretch the legs on a TR. Because the TR has so much more hp, it is much easier to get into trouble when driving the TR. Since my 308 QV is slower, I can run through all the gears and have my fun. With the TR, this is very hard to do since you are traveling at triple digit speeds very quickly and in 3rd gear! There is something to say for this since I can enjoy my 308 QV a little more in this respect.
5. While I loved the extra power, torque, and speed of the TR, I did miss my 308 QV. The cars are just too different to compare. The 308 QV is a fun little car that has a great sounding motor, but you need to drive the car at 100% to have fun. The TR is a big and heavy GT cruiser that is meant to driven long distances very fast. IMHO, the TR is not as fun to drive even though it is a better car in terms of build quality. To resolve this problem, the perfect solution is to own one of each.
I am not trying to say that one car is better than the other. They are both great cars. |