| Author | Message | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1108 Registered: 4-2002 |
ken divorce sucks especially when kids are involved, been there once...do you think andrea will know if a 512tr is sitting in my garage?? i think so, so ill take that extra bedroom in your house as for rob, yes its useless, but at least your wife can put a water heater in..  regards all, bruce | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2631 Registered: 12-2000 |
Try convincing your wife you need a Classic V12 without the engine and trans and btw, those will cost more than the car and then... oh, it's useless. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 169 Registered: 2-2002 |
Bruce: Sometimes divorce is a good thing. With that said, I would keep Andrea but figure out how to also buy the 512TR. If you give in now your marriage is done since she will always have the upper hand. Besides, my wife already thinks that my car is a Boxer so my next purchase should not be that bad. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2002 |
I expect to pick up a 512M in the near future. I personally do think it can be a collectable ferrari because it is the LAST mid engine flat twelve that ferrari will make. Plus, it is the best iteration of the TR/512 line. I drove it and it does have a ton of torque and quiet easy to drive. Not as tossable as my 348 but still quite managable in the twisties. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1549 Registered: 2-2001 |
when it comes time to replace the piston rings on my 512TR I will upgrade to the 512M titanium con rods I already took some weight off my 512TR, replaced the stock seats with OMP race seats, She is a beast | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1107 Registered: 4-2002 |
yes i do understand your perspectives on all 3 tr cars and thanks you for sharing it with us..believe me i would love to purhase a 512tr or even a 512m, but a divorce will cost me more if i ungraded to either regards, bruce | ||
| Mark Moon M.D. (Enzomoon)
New member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2002 |
Bruce: I certainly agree that the 1st series TR is a wonderful car. I was simply trying to provide some perspective on these cars from the point of view of someone who has owned and driven all three. As you said, for the money the TR is a wonderful bargain. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1106 Registered: 4-2002 |
dr moon i totally agree with henry, my 88 tr i love while i drive it at least 2x a week, yes the 512tr has 40 more horse, biggger wheels and better brakes, and more, but since i dont track my car, the 40-50k more, is not worth it to me, so instead of going 180mph on the interstate with a 512tr, i would rather go 150 and live.... i guess each is own and how deep are your pockets my 2 cents bruce | ||
| Mark Moon M.D. (Enzomoon)
New member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2002 |
The premium which the 512TR commands is small compared with the huge improvement in performance. O-60 alone is over 1 full second quicker and the 512TR is much, much better handling. They may look similar but nearly 80% of all the components in the 512TR are totally new from the TR. The first TR is a nice car but it is not in the same league. As I said before it is impossible to realise how potent the M is until you drive one. It will be the collector's choice in the future. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 320 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have an 88 TR. While the 512TR is better, I really don't feel that one can appreciate the car, over a TR, on today's roads......unless, one is going to track the car.....then go for the 512TR. Since I don't track my car, and drive it on everyday roads, I can't see the $40,000 premium that a 512TR commands. $50,000 more, for a 512M, is insane. Since they ALL look basically the same, I feel the TR is the best value.....and can't see how the 512M will appreciate that much, over the TR. IMO!!!!!! | ||
| Mark Moon M.D. (Enzomoon)
New member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have owned all three of the TR series: an 86 TR,a 92 512, and now a 95 F512M. The difference between the 512TR and Testarossa is night and day...they my look similar but in terms of performance the 512TR is far beyond the earlier series car. The M is simply a Beast...while the peak Hp figures are only slightly higher than the 512TR, there was significant weight reduction which is quite noticeable. Also, it revs much, much faster due to the reduced mass of the crankshaft, titanium rods, etc. It makes a huge difference over all. The car is simply the best overall modern era Ferrari road car in my opinion. I believe that 10 years from now it will be worth significantly more as well. I also have a very nice 355B with Tubi, test pipes, Autothority chip, etc. However, it pales by comparison to the 512M in my opinion. I have never come up against anything that will beat it. I will say that for the money the 512TR is a raging bargain, however. | ||
| Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member Username: Man90tr Post Number: 711 Registered: 4-2001 |
While the M is a nice car, for me they left the classic lines and front end design behind too much for me. I would take a regular TR or 512TR instead. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1604 Registered: 9-2001 |
of the TR series the M has the most potential for future appreciation - does that mean guaranteed appreciation no. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 387 Registered: 5-2002 |
I understand where everyone is coming from, but does the amount of 512M built mean anything... I would love to own a car that only 75 people in the USA has..And remember, This is the last of the TR series and last rear engine V12.. That has to count for something..........Ron | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 82 Registered: 8-2002 |
ross, sorry about that. it would help if i was paying attention. you are right. the differnce between the tr and the 512tr is about 38 hp. there is about 12 hp difference between the 512tr and the 512m. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 487 Registered: 3-2002 |
wspeer, i said the dif between 512tr and 512m is 10hp. the hp difference between a tr and a 512tr is about 45. thats why i bought the 512tr but didn't stretch for the 512m. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 429 Registered: 8-2001 |
Will, thats because of your ability, if you had the beatle you'd still kick their a$$! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1543 Registered: 2-2001 |
put it this way, My kill list includes many Vipers, Vettes new ones & old ones, Porsc he Turbos including a new GT2, F40s & an F50 gt1 The 512tr ROCKS!!!!! | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2002 |
i have never driven a 512 m, so i can't offer an opinion on that. having a tr, it's a great car but the 512tr is far better than just in the 10hp and slightly bigger brakes. given the choice between the 512tr and the tr, i would take the 512tr hands down anyday. however, their differences in price don't allow me to justify the difference. with respect to the 348 vs the 512tr, the 348 is a much better "driving" car. it all depends on what you are planning to do with the car. if you want a daily driver, i would keep the 348. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 486 Registered: 3-2002 |
i guess its because i am biased but.....i looked at the m when i was shopping for the 512 and the premium at the time wasn't even that much (about $20k), but for an extra 10hp and slightly bigger brakes (which surprisingly did not lead to significantly shorter stopping distances), it didn't seem worth it. add to that the (imho) ugly front and back light treatments and the slight postives became negatives. the only thing i like better about the m is the stock wheels. either way, i think the whole range of 512tr and 512m, is a great ride and will also probably rise in value the longer we go without a mid engine 12 cylinder production car from maranello....... | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 383 Registered: 5-2002 |
The 512M is on my todo list.. Bigger brakes, more power and limited to only 75 in the U.S out of the 500 units in the world.,,This is the one to get...... ron | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 478 Registered: 3-2002 |
firstly, try going thru all the old threads on this subject and you will find a bunch of info. secondly, it is the best car i have ever owned. i had a 348 ts and did not have a good experience but wanted another ferrari and had been told the 12 cylinders were better made etc. the 512tr lived up to all the hype. it has presence, unbelievable power, comfort, and build quality. for the money it is the best ferrari you can buy imho. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 82 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hey 512 guys, care to share about your car? I'm thinking of upgrading to one from my current 348 down the road. |