| Author | Message | ||
| Jeffrey Davison (Jeffdavison)
New member Username: Jeffdavison Post Number: 14 Registered: 7-2002 |
Here's a couple shots of a Stratos replica a gent in the UK is constructing. Nice motor, the rest of the car isn't too shabby either. Jeff Davison   | ||
| Douglas A Hunt (Boxercrazy)
New member Username: Boxercrazy Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
the car i would like a replica of is the alfa romeo t-33 stradale....sorry but they only ever made 18 and there may be 4 or so left so i doubt i will ever see,let alone own,the real thing one of the best looking ever douglas hunt | ||
| Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Member Username: Sloan83qv Post Number: 398 Registered: 3-2001 |
My cousin owns 4 of the world famous Stratos's all with 4 valve Dino 246 engines.These are orginal World Rally Championship cars not repro's   | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2871 Registered: 2-2001 |
There's a classic rally on Speed right now with a Stratos in it, very cool little car, sounds vicious too, not the whining of those normal rally cars but instead almost like a 312 type exhaust note. | ||
| rick catalano (Tatcat)
Junior Member Username: Tatcat Post Number: 72 Registered: 9-2001 |
saw a 308 kit at Carlise this year that i had to do a double take on. it was done well but for the time and money involved why not do the real thing? there were also about 10 diablo kits there and some were indistingusable from the real thing. very well done, but yet still a copy. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 283 Registered: 1-2002 |
Well, not really a 'true' replica -oxymoron here-, but the 308/328 --> 288GTO conversions that I've vicariously experience via my computer screen are pretty damn good, IMO, and I wouldn't mind owning one, but I also wouldn't try and pass it off as a real GTO. There have been several 'replica' cars, of various marques, that are quite good; e.g., the Ferrari 'rebodies' built on 'lesser' chassis to recreate classic models, the various cobra permutations, porsche 550 spyder replica, etc., not all of them are bondo fiberglass mutants, but most are. | ||
| Kevin Horner (Boz)
New member Username: Boz Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think it would be harder to find great replicas of those as there is probably little demand for them. The real deals in 308-348 are not that expensive. The real replica-makers probably have bigger fish to fry. If replicas of modern cars are by law inferior, then I'd imagine most would be classified as trash. | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
New member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hmmmm.... wow. Judging from the range of responses I guess I should have been a little more specific in my question then. Yes, I can see how a finely crafted replica of an old Daytona, Cobra, or other rare, mega $$$$$ machine would be cool. Plus the benefits of taking that on the road much more frequently than the real deal are obvious. Patrick came closest to wondering what I had been wondering (congragulations you win a cookie) - In the spirit of the "trash or treasure" threads, has anyone seen a good reproduction of a late model F-car that actually looked good enough to fool people? Or do you find that people look at the Fiero-size wheelbase and 4" wheel/fender gaps and think it a little odd? | ||
| Jeffrey Davison (Jeffdavison)
New member Username: Jeffdavison Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2002 |
Sorry for the bandwidth, but thought you all may like to see an outstandingly authentic replica. Two of the pics are the real thing, the other 4 are replicas. This IS Ferrari related as the original Stratos used the Ferrari Dino V6 to great succsess in ralling in the mid 70's. The Stratos was the first purpose built rally car. Fiat/Lancia really had to sweet talk Enzo into using the V6. The replicas are currently being produced in kit form from Hawk Cars UK. They've been reproducing it since 1987 when it was called the "Transformer". Many builders have put in Dino 308 V8 engines, as one of the chassis options offer bracketing for that engine. Other engine options include The Fiat /Lancia 4 and the Alfa 164 V6. Values for the original Stratos are currently $90K to $110K. A very well built up replica can be built for $40K-$50K, and a base version with the Fiat Lancia 4 cyl cna be cobbled together for around $25K, if you don't farm out too much of the work. I'm in process of building one myself and I'm putting in a Fiat/Abarth 16v twin cam 4 Group B engine, and assorted racing componentry. Should top out around $50K when I turn the key. BTW, (blatent self promotion) If there is any interest in these, drop me an email as I am the North American Agent for these cars. Jeff Davison       | ||
| Patrick Pasqualini (Enzo)
Junior Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 61 Registered: 2-2002 |
Aside from the Corbra replicas and the high end Lambo and older F-car conversions has there ever been a great replica of a 308,328,348 or 355? | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2853 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'm sure there must be others, but the only replicas that come to mind that are quite a bit better than the real thing regarding performance are Shelby Cobra and Shebly Daytona Coupe replicas. They out turn, brake, and accelerate the real thing with modern technology (although most are carbed to stay true to its roots), which to me makes a much better driver's car. Driving a $500K original Cobra would be a little more nerve racking than a replica. | ||
| Kevin Horner (Boz)
New member Username: Boz Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2002 |
Apparently there are good and bad replicas. The quality of the replica seems often to be determined by the motive of the owner (maybe the builder). If the motive is to have a drivable version of an exceptionally rare car or to pay some legitimate homage to the original, then it will be a good replica. The owner will also likely invest a fair amount of money into it to ensure some authenticity. If the motive is to impress others or portray some other selfish, childish, and largely false image to someone else, you get trash. As the motive becomes more base, then the monetary investment proportionally falls. The fact that we see and hear about more trash replicas tends to reinforce the premise that they are built for people who want to proclaim from the rooftop that they are superior to me based on what they drive. | ||
| Roger Blakeman (Roger)
Junior Member Username: Roger Post Number: 78 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have a replica Cobra that draws more attention and discussion than my '80 308. And yes, lots of folks go "ga-ga" over a replica and many of them are not pieces of xxxx as mine is very well engineered. Also in the performance and reliability category the Cobra replica will run circles around my F-car. But then I just happen to like everything that runs since I have the infamous "car disease" that gets worse with age. Roger B. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 851 Registered: 2-2001 |
There are some Diablo replicas out there that had me fooled for a few seconds. I had to walk up to it and perform a close inspection. But there are a few very well done versions. The worst is when the owner tries to pass it off as real - like at the auto show I was at. He was telling people it was a $300,000 Lamborghini special edition, blah blah blah. Then I asked him how much the kit cost, and turned RED. He then tried to explain that that is how Lamboghini sells cars, in kits, and that this was a real Diablo kit. I just couldnt stop laughing! Ernesto | ||
| Jim Glickenhaus (Napolis)
New member Username: Napolis Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dear Matt The pic you posted is a P5 engine. This is a P4 engine. Like many things in life it's what inside that matters. Norwood's car is very nicely done but as the song goes "There's nothing like the real thing baby"  | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 356 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, I stand corrected. Looks close though     A lot better then the car 308/355 kit cars | ||
| Jim Glickenhaus (Napolis)
New member Username: Napolis Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt Look in the thread "Anyone know about older Ferraris" for a pic of a real P4 engine. Enzo would not be fooled. Real P4 engines are quite different than the ones in Norwood's. They are also extremely rare. There are maybe 3-5 still existant. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 354 Registered: 8-2002 |
Nick, the P4 i think you are referring to is the one Bob Norwood built. Great car to been seen in person. I think most consider is a real ferrari not built in Italy. It is all original ferrari parts. Even the wheels were cast in the original molds. Enzo might have been confused. | ||
| Joel Belser (Driver)
New member Username: Driver Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ferrari replicas have been commisioned by owners of originals that are too valuable to drive! There are a few GTO replicas that are built on 250 GT chassis and are probably indistinguishable (for most of us) from the original. One of these was recently put up for sale by an owner who had his "real" GTO duplicated. | ||
| nick l (Nsxnick)
Junior Member Username: Nsxnick Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2001 |
i've seen some amazing GT40 recplicas. i saw a P4 replica that i thought was real. the price tag was $250k. | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 133 Registered: 3-2002 |
I have actually seen a couple of Lambo kits that are pretty well done. Granted, as soon people want rides and ask to go fast... well....... TRASH! | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 675 Registered: 10-2001 |
Yes. Many times it is the Lambo kits that will do it to people. If the doors swing up...people's mouths drop! They don't even notice the 2' spacers on the rims! | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
New member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ok, after watching these "trash or treasure" threads all week, I have to ask: Is ANYBODY fooled by these pieces of crap? Of course the members of this board can tell - we're all diehard enthusiasts. The reason I wonder is because even my wife (who could care less about cars with the same passion that I love them) can look at them and tell something is horribly wrong. Without exception, for the replicar photos her response was always "Oh come on - who do they think they are fooling?" Even she can tell they are not worthy of the prancing horse emblem. Have you ever seen anyone go ga-ga over a replicar thinking it was real? |