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| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2002 |
Matt, great photos, that Miura is breathtaking. It looks much better in person. That is not the Ferrari I was referring to. The car I saw was red on the flanks, black hood, roof and trunk. It had a huge triangular shaped rear window (early Plymouth Barracudas if anyone remembers those, looks like a hatchback, circa 3rd generation Camaros) and had the wire wheel mounted in the rear window for all to see. It was an oddly beautiful car. The gentleman I talked to said what it was called, but I missed it. It had, for lack of a better term, tail fins which incorporated the tailights. Hell, I may go back over there tomorrow and take some photos. | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2002 |
Impressive vehicles. I did peruse their on-line inventory, which is why I was guessing my son was interested in the two Ferraris mentioned in my earlier post. Now you can see why I'm not sure I want to encourage him... Knowing him he might let emotion take over and allocate a bit too much into cars instead of more important investments. A house, for instance  To answer Kenny's question. I am Korean and my son was raised in Spain and throughout Europe until he started his high school tenure in the United States. I have always had a passion for the older racers, being an old man myself! I did see some beautiful Alfas in the Symbolic Motors website. Nevertheless, it's a healthy hobby. I would much rather he spend money in these machines than some of the modern cars he's been through in the past few years. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 403 Registered: 8-2002 |
Better Lambo Pic's      | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 402 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bill, was this it? 1955 Ferrari 500 Mondial Scaglietti Series Two Competition Spider Chassis No. 0424/MD* Engine No. 0424/MD *number currently stamped on front frame cross member. This car was originally stamped by Ferrari and identified as �0564/MD� but was renumbered by Ferrari for first private owner, Fran�ois Picard of Nice, France when he traded in the original S1 Ferrari 500 Mondial Pinin Farina Spyder with chassis No. 0424/MD. The old chassis number was applied to his new car for tax / carnet reasons. Chassis type 511 Engine type 111 Gearbox type 509 Gearbox internal No. �36 S� Steering Box Type 501 Steering Box Date �3. 5. 55� (May 3, 1955) Frame Internal No. �27� Following development work carried out on the 625TF and 735 Sport experimental four cylinder cars of 1953, Ferrari embarked upon the construction of a group of in-line 4-cylinder-engined cars. They would become the 500 Mondial, 750 and 860 Monza, 500 Testa Rossa and 500 TRC, all of which would be built in limited series. The Mondial and Monzas were initially built as Works or Factory Team cars to contest the World Constructors Championship Series with the Mondial being given an emphasis in the very popular two liter class. They soon found favor with both private clients as well as the Scuderia Ferrari Factory Team drivers. The Mondial engine was designed by Lampredi and was based originally upon that of the Type 500 F2 car. The basic design incorporated twin overhead camshafts with 2 inclined valves and 2 spark plugs per cylinder. The angle between the valves for the series one Mondials was 60 degrees with the later series two cars having 85 degrees. Reflecting Lampredi's concern for the maintenance of the compression seal in high-performance engines, the cylinder head and block were cast in one with cast-iron wet cylinder liners screwed into it. The water seal at the lower end of the liners was effected by rubber 0-rings. The Mondial engine initially used pistons with nearly flat crowns, while the later series two and all of the Monza�s were domed. The pistons had solid skirts that were relieved by flat areas on the front and rear and they carried 2 compression rings and an oil control ring all set above the gudgeon pin. As with all Lampredi engines, the con-rods were split conventionally at right angles to their center lines. A train of 3/8-in. wide spur gears contained within a separate light-alloy housing was bolted on to the front of the cylinder block. The upper gears drove the camshafts and those at the lower end took care of the dry-sump lubrication system pressure and scavenging pumps which were contained in the bottom of the housing. The valves were closed by hairpin-type springs. The tappets were of inverted piston type, the upper ends of which housed hardened-steel rollers that were kept in contact with the cam lobes by light springs. Into the lower ends of the tappets, hardened-steel buttons pressed in on shims maintaining the necessary clearance. The Mondial chassis was very similar and in the tradition of Ferrari at the time, i.e. a welded assembly made up of large-section main frame oval tubes strengthened by a modest network of smaller tubes that also provided various mounting points. Rear suspension was of the de Dion type with a single transverse leaf spring. Front suspension, was at first by leaf springs, was changed later to coil over shocks on the series two Mondials. Four distinct bodies were used on two different chassis. The earliest cars (13) had very beautiful and purposeful Spyder bodies by Pinin Farina and resembled closely the 375 Mille Miglia client cars on a scaled down level. Four chassis, with 0438MD being the first were given a long, more penetrating noses, with covered headlights. (The second of these, s/n 0448MD was sold to Tony Parravano.) Pinin Farina also bodied several series one Mondials with scaled down Berlinetta bodies, while the rest and most of the series two chassis were given Spyder bodies by Scaglietti. Immensely popular amongst works and private drivers, they remain to this day some of the most competitive Sports Racing Ferrari�s to ever emerge from Maranello. History of 0424/MD        | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 401 Registered: 8-2002 |
From their website For more information on this and other classic automobiles, please contact Symbolic Motors in La Jolla, California. (858) 454-1800 or by e-mail [email protected] [email protected] 1968 Lamborghini Miura ZINC Chassis No. 3498 Engine No. 1642 The ZN 75 International Lead Zinc Research Organization 1968 LAMBORGHINI MIURA P400 ROADSTER COACHWORK BY BERTONE Engine 350bhp, 9,929cc dual overhead camshaft V12 Transmission five-speed manual Brakes four-wheel disc Wheelbase 2,500mm (97.5�) There is only one factory-built Lamborghini Miura Roadster, and this is it. Low, taut, and sleek, the Marcello Gandini-designed Miura cried out for a roadster derivative, which Gandini and Bertone created as a show concept for the 1968 Geneva Motor Show. It was dramatically and thoughtfully different from production Miuras. The Miura Roadster had larger air intakes at the sides of the roll-over hoop in order to capture more cool air for the V12 engine. The roll-over hoop itself was lower than the Miura�s roof for smoother airflow, and the rear bodywork was reshaped. Other changes included different taillights and a larger rear deck spoiler. The Miura�s characteristic slats were also eliminated, exposing the engine, and there was no provision for top or side windows. The Miura�s roof was an integral part of its structural design, so Bertone strengthened the Miura Roadster�s box-section side members and roll-hoop to make up for the open top structure. It was a sensation at Geneva, but only one example � the car offered here � was ever built. The Miura Roadster�s style, performance, and uniqueness attracted the attention of the International Lead Zinc Research Organization. ILZRO, a promotional and developmental alliance of lead and zinc producers, was looking for a vehicle to demonstrate and promote automotive uses of zinc-and lead-based materials. The Miura Roadster, already well received by both the public and the media, was ideal because it embodied both the high-performance reputation of the Miura and the high-style recognition of Bertone�s Roadster show car. ILZRO purchased the Miura Roadster in 1968 and, with Lamborghini and Bertone, modified the Miura Roadster to create the ZN 75 show car in order to demonstrate the uses of its materials. The project was led by Shrade F. Radtke, the executive vice-president of ILZRO, with a team that included John Foster, a senior stylist at Ford. ILZRO members worldwide participated with both materials and fabrication. By the time ZN 75 was completed in May 1969, it cost ILZRO and its members $200,000 � the equivalent of $1,000,000 in 2002. Upon the Miura roadster ZN 75�s completion, ILZRO employed it in a worldwide promotional tour that has made it one of the most widely known automobiles in history. Zinc-and lead-based materials and processes were employed in a wide variety of functional applications in addition to ZN 75�s obvious chrome-plated cast zinc trim. Lead-coated vinyl sound-deadening material insulated the interior, while the wheel covers were chrome-plated zinc. Lead alloy solder is used in smoothing body panels, and zinc extrusions were created for the sill moldings. Even the steering wheel was zinc-plated. Perhaps more significant is that many of the engine�s and drive train�s components were lead- or zinc-based, including the exhaust system, valve covers, water pump housing, radiator, oil pump housing, transmission covers, carburetors, and velocity stacks. Creation of ZN 75 was entrusted to Bertone, and executed with Carrozzeria�s high standards. Finished in a distinctive metallic golden-green paint with a black base, ZN 75 enjoyed a highly productive life as ILZRO�S show and demonstration car-circling the world for appearances at auto shows and special showings to manufacturers in the US, Japan, Australia, and Europe. It is probably the most comprehensively exhibited automobile in history, and the subject of numerous television and magazine features. It was, in fact, so effective and memorable that almost a decade after its creation and worldwide tour, ZN 75 was again displayed to manufacturers by ILZRO in 1978. ZN 75 was purchased in the early 1970s by Mr. Radtke, the ILZRO executive vice-president who had managed the project. He used it for several years on the road in and around his home in New Canaan, CT, and then in 1981 donated it to the Museum of Transportation in Brookline, MA. It later passed through one or more European owners, and, eventually, to Japan. ILZRO�s ZN 75 Miura Roadster created so much excitement and visibility that other Miuras were converted to Spyders, but none looked as complete nor had the structural rigidity. There is one and only one Miura Roadster: ZN 75. It is that sole Miura Roadster � the ZN 75 � that is offered here. Brilliantly finished in its distinctive metallic green with tan interior, its unique style, careful preservation, and distinctive identity make it one of the most desirable and collectible automobiles. Among Lamborghinis, it is without peer, as the only Miura Roadster � with a long and impressive show career unmatched in recognition and exemplary history. In a recent test drive, it proved to be eminently satisfactory, with no sign of the creaks, groans, and flexing that frequently characterize show cars � particularly roadster versions of Berlinettas. While the engine is strong, the gearbox needs a firm hand but responds brilliantly to direction. ZN 75 proved impossible to conduct surreptitiously. Its ILZRO exhaust system performs in the finest tradition of Italian super cars: it is loud (that�s �LOUD�), and leaves a trail of whooping car alarms in its wake at anything over 4,000rpm. ZN 75, however, is not for those seeking to pass without notice. It is an absolutely unique, vivid statement of the blending of art and performance for which there are many pretenders�but no equal. It is the only Lamborghini Miura Roadster, and as such rank it as one of the most desirable Lamborghini�s in the world. A previous owner of this very important car has quite a few spare parts, some of which are originals that were replaced by those made of zinc. He has graciously offered to give them to the successful bidder of this car, and RM Auction Inc. is happy to facilitate.      | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2002 |
I was at Symbolic in La Jolla yesterday. It was a "I was in the neighborhood" visit (considering i live on the east coast), but I did discuss the 275 with a gentleman there and acquired some worthwhile information from them. As for the dealership: quite impressive. I was allowed to linger unmolested for 25 minutes before anyone bothered me. You couldn't swing a cat in there without hitting a Diablo or a 360, but those cars aren't even interesting to me. The "Silver Arrow" 1930's GP Mercedes was breathtaking, the 250SWB was similarly jaw dropping, but the neatest car there, I learned the least about. It is a red/black 1950's vintage Ferrari that has apparently only recently resurfaced. I believe he said it was a "one off" and that explained why I couldn't place quite what it was. He mentioned a price in the neighborhood of $4million. It was a beautiful car with the proper patina for the vintage. I would love to know more about it if anyone knows anything. I didn't take my camera in, but I am in the area for a couple more days, I may not be able to resist returning for some photos. There is a Miura there that is unbelievable. It doesn't have the "slats" over the engine and it is fully exposed with a beautiful fiberglas (?) moulding around it. You have to see it. Very impressive place. I looked at the Daytona conversion. It looked very clean. | ||
| mark nyman (Markelizabeth)
New member Username: Markelizabeth Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2002 |
I bought a car from them. The price was fair, the car has been great and they had all of the service records since they had serviced the car. They have a great selection. My dad also bought a car from them. I would highly recommend them, ask for Mike Padace. Tell him Mark from Connecticut says hi. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 436 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beautiful cars! Are you English? I am guessing you live in the San Diego area? My family has a house in La Jolla... How did you get interested in british classics? | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2002 |
Some pre-war old Bentleys. 4 1/4, 6, 8, 8 H.J. Mulliner Saloon. 1953 R Continental 1954 R Coach built (Park Ward) One late model Continental T. Don't mind the asking. Just no serial numbers There, I've got it! I've been browsing your site and reading posts. I wish they had this sort of thing for B owners. This is a fantastic site! | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 435 Registered: 8-2001 |
Smiley face: :") remove the quotation mark... Mind if I ask whats in your collection? | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2002 |
Quite honestly I don't know if I want to encourage this too much. I just wanted to make sure he wasn't going to spend his money foolishly. Now if only he got a real job...(How do you do smiley faces?) | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 434 Registered: 8-2001 |
"Poor kid grew up with old Bentleys and late model BMWs and Porsches. He's been a Ferraristi from birth and I pretty much denied him pursuing my passions. Although I did try to get him "into" Bentleys. " Yeah, poor kid! You should have him post on here- we can help him if he could give us the perimeters of his search- price, what he will be using it for, his driving ability and such... | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 394 Registered: 8-2002 |
FYI on symbolic service... Blackhorse motors which is down the street of the BH location does all the service up there. They have there own service center for the La Jolla location. My boxer is there for restoration. Top notch service. | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2002 |
Not sure. Knowing him he'll look at the '73 Daytona and the '69 365 GTC. Then again, he does want to get into vintage racing and take classes and all... Don't know how he wants to spend. Maybe one car, maybe one track and one street. I'm pretty sure he'll go for the vintage Ferraris though. Poor kid grew up with old Bentleys and late model BMWs and Porsches. He's been a Ferraristi from birth and I pretty much denied him pursuing my passions. Although I did try to get him "into" Bentleys. Hey, there's only so much an old man can change. I can guarantee you that whatever car he gets, IT WILL NOT BE GREEN! | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 433 Registered: 8-2001 |
Bentley Boy, What car? Maybe I can help... | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2002 |
I meant to say "I overheard my son talking..." Sorry about the mistype. | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thanks guys. I overheard mys on talking to one of their salespeople, and I think he's seriously considering doing business with them. He's looking at vintage Ferraris. He's in the San Francisco area. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 563 Registered: 12-2001 |
They get some great hi-line ferraris. Their prices are top drawer. I had a good visit with them a few years ago, but you better rely on your own mechanic and be scrupulous about the car you propose buying; not that they are worse than average, but don't be deluded into thinking that just because they have some big cars for sale (some may be consigned), that they will have the desire or wherewithal or interest to make sure you get what you think you are buying. I have talked to them a couple of times recently about possible purchases (330gts/cut daytona) and have so far not made any deals with them. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 424 Registered: 4-2001 |
I contacted them about a Daytona spider conversion they had in stock... they had no service records or history on the car, which was also in need of a major service according to the mileage on the car... The price they quoted me was way high for a conversion with no records and in need of a service... although they did say they might consider servicing the car if I was interested... Just my 2 cents worth. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 390 Registered: 8-2002 |
Classic as in Ferrari or others? They are the only one that I know about in terms of Ferrari's with that selection in LA/SD/SB area. M | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2002 |
Any other dealerships out there with an equal reputation? I'm interested in the classics, not the modern inventory. | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
Great! Thanks a lot fellow enthusiasts. I'll give it some thought. They do have a pretty inventory, don't they. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 285 Registered: 1-2002 |
bentley- I went to inquire about a 330 2+2 not to long ago, and while the price I was told seemed on the HIGH side; the salesman conveyed, in not so many words, that there was quite a bit of room; so, worse case scenerio, you go in for a deal and see if they budge. Otherwise, their inventory is immaculate and the cars are exactly as advertised. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 389 Registered: 8-2002 |
IF the car you want is at the Beverly Hills location. Ask for Harry or Gunther. Tell them I sent you. I had a good deal. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 388 Registered: 8-2002 |
Talk to Mike. Tell him Matt sent you. They come down quite a bit for my car | ||
| Bentley Boy (Bentley)
New member Username: Bentley Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2002 |
Their prices seem to be on the high side. Are they the type to lower their prices when it comes time to make a deal or do they stick to their advertised amount? I've heard great things about them, but I don't see myself paying much of a premium for these cars when most can be found elsewhere for cheaper. |