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Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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Username: Kennyh

Post Number: 458
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 5:26 pm:   

Get your ram from Crucial.com (cheapest ram around!)
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2760
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 5:14 pm:   

Also, I will still send out the monthly newsletter and title sponsor email, however, I'm putting all my spare time into migrating us to the new higher performing server. Until this is done and stable, there won't be time for enhancing anything on the site.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2758
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 11:30 am:   

I see what you mean Ben. I've been struggling with this new host, JTLnet, for the entire week. They installed my server 2 days late and their help desk support is pathetic. They take anywhere from 4-24 hours to respond and I'll ask 4 questions and they'll maybe answer one of them. Even the ones they do try to answer are pathetic attempts. I'm still motivated to figure it out, probably on my own since they're no help, just to save the $600 a month savings. Interland was expensive, but their repsonse time was great and all the tech staff was very skilled.

BTW, since there are many on here with experience, I'm trying to get my nameservers to work. I took 2 of my IP's and made them nameservers. However, my domain manager lowcostdomains.com gets an error and doesn't recognize my nameservers. We named my new server server.ferrarichat.com and since ferrarichat.com is still pointing to my old host, we added an "A" record to point server.ferrarichat.com to my new server. We set up my two name servers as ns1.ferrarichat.com and ns2.ferrarichat.com. I asked if I would need to add "A" records for ns1 and ns2 to my old host, but they said no because nameserver domains are unique and will propogate accross the internet on their own from my new server. Well, they're still getting an error...

ERROR Unable to add nameserver: Command failed: unable to verify existence of nameserver ns1.ferrarichat.com

...I have no idea why unless JTLnet is giving me bad information or did something wrong.

Thanks,
rob
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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Username: Benjet

Post Number: 858
Registered: 1-2001
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 11:25 am:   

The prices for servers, disk space, memory, bandwith, etc. are so all over the map it's unbelievebale. I've seen over 1000x differences in price, it's the availablity of service (support) when you need it that makes all the difference in the world, and that's hard to guage ahead of time.

that was worth $0.02

-Ben
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2679
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:48 am:   

Thanks everyone for your quick help.

I got the special #1 with 40 GB IDE, 1 GB RAM, RedHat, and the offsite backups.

I'll move all my other sites over first and then hopefully have FC over there within 4-6 weeks.

Site should perform better and I have an early Christmas present, hmm, what should I do with the money? I guess maybe pay off my first Ferrari before I even think of another one.

Thanks!
Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
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Username: Tillman

Post Number: 135
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:40 am:   

It's a push on the OS. Both sides have their proponents, but the capabilities are very similar.

Special #1 sounds good, you will want to have a backup since you won't have any data redundancy on a single hard drive.
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 423
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:33 am:   

No problem Rob,
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2677
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:24 am:   

Thanks Matt.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 2676
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:24 am:   

So I need an answer Open BSD or RedHat Linux?

The site is about ready to get even better.
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 422
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:23 am:   

RedHat.
Patrick Pasqualini (Enzo)
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Username: Enzo

Post Number: 64
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:22 am:   

The more ram you have the better. All servers that i put together now have atleast 1gb nothing less but that is in a corp world. What are you running now and judge from there. I would think atleast 512mb to 1gb should be plenty. Just my thoughts. And by the way can't thank you enough for such a great site!
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2675
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:16 am:   

I have the option of FreeBSD too, should I stick with that, instead of RedHat?

Here, I'm looking at Special #1 and the add ons are at the bottom. Please advise, I'm just so excited that I might be saving a "car payment" a month now. Talking about getting hosed, I'm getting hosed right now paying $850 a month!

http://www.jtlnet.com/dedicated.html
Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member
Username: Tillman

Post Number: 134
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:09 am:   

We load our servers with lots of ram too. It's cheap, and more never hurts. However, I agree with Jim: you're getting hosed on the price of the ram upgrade. That's why I advised waiting until you know you need it.

Red Hat is not Unix, but it's close enough from your perspective. FWIW, your current host is running FreeBSD.
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad

Post Number: 419
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:05 am:   

RedHat should be fine. Used to be more geared towards smaller applications, but it is essentially share ware Unix so has lots of benefits and added features for free that Unix doesn't have. Mostly the GUI interfaces are what I like about it instead of command line. I hate command line!
Patrick (Patrickr)
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Username: Patrickr

Post Number: 66
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:05 am:   

Rob,

Maybe you could e-mail Troy Roberts (owner/operator of Corvette Forum)? He has been researching servers for awhile now and they are just getting ready to move the forum over to new servers tomorrow PM. I bet he would be more than happy to give you some advice, he seems to know his stuff. And he is a nice guy :-)
[email protected]

Patrick :-)
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 420
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:03 am:   

Red Hat is fine.

I'd go 512 to 1 gb of RAM
dual processor
54 GB of storage (we f-chatters post a lot)

my 2 cents
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad

Post Number: 418
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:03 am:   

1 gig of RAM is pretty standard now on all my clients servers. RAM benefits us much more than processor speed.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2674
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:01 am:   

If I'm on a Unix server now, will the site not run as well with the Redhat?

I'm hoping this improves performance, not decreases it.
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 419
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:01 am:   

Mitch,

If he is using it for storage as well, He'll need Multi Processors

M
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Username: Jim_schad

Post Number: 417
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:00 am:   

I agree with Tillman.

However $20 "extra" a month for and additional 256K is robbery. Is a gig of RAM going to cost $80 a month? Tell em you will buy the memory and mail it to them. I have a couple gigs collecting dust in my desk drawer!
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2673
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:00 am:   

This one server will run everything, my 8+ websites, FerrariChat.com being the largest by far, MySQL Db, Frontpage 2002, and Miva Merchant and encryption.

My current system is some form of Unix OS, the option for this server is RedHat Linux, that will work the same way?
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup

Post Number: 209
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 9:59 am:   

For server applications, RAM is much more useful than MIPS.
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 417
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 9:58 am:   

Tillman has a good point,

I am assuming windows rather then unix.

m
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 416
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 9:56 am:   

Rob,


Is this a hosting server or a host/storage server?

M
Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member
Username: Tillman

Post Number: 132
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 9:56 am:   

Rob,

Do you have any load numbers for your current setup? What's the hardware that you currently have? Without that info, it's tough to know how much server you need.

My first inclination would be to go with the 256 (assuming it's not Windows-based hosting) and upgrade later if your provider can show you're running into performance problems on the server.
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
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Username: Mlemus

Post Number: 415
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 9:54 am:   

Go with the RAM 1gb. Can you get a Dual Processor as an option?
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 2672
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 9:52 am:   

I just found a great deal on a new dedicated server. Offers more than our current server for about $700 less a month. I'm a software guy and not A+ on server stuff, what kind of RAM should I get? 256 comes standard and I can upgrade by 256 for only $20 a month. Heck, I will go 1 gb or more if it truely helps the performance. Please advise. Processor is 1.6 ghz P4.

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