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JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member
Username: John_308qv
Post Number: 69
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 5:21 pm: | |
About 2 years ago. If I remember correctly, Symbolic had had a couple with standard carbed engines (no turbo, sideways engine config). The bodys and interiors were modified to GTO look. The real expensive ones have the engines upgraded. John |
Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member
Username: Acnberlin
Post Number: 14
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 5:12 pm: | |
John,
How long ago was that? I'm considering buying a finished one, but I don't too find many, and the ones I do find are just too much money.
Brian |
JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member
Username: John_308qv
Post Number: 67
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 1:38 pm: | |
The parts look very nice Nick. When I was in the market for my Ferrari, the going rate for a 288 rebody was $45 to $50k. Love the look but they were just a little more than I wanted to spend. John |
nick m........ (Nickm)
Junior Member
Username: Nickm
Post Number: 155
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 9:20 pm: | |
Those are my 288 GTO parts on Ebay & FerrariAdds. Actually they are Jim Carpenters parts that I bought awhile ago. I am
selling them for only $6500 because I spent that $$ along time ago (8 years)and am looking to just sell those parts. I had some very, very nice molds made off those parts and will sell my 288 GTO parts for the same price ($8,500) as Italian Auto's in Phoenix. I will however throw in a few extras for free that the other GTO places charge you an extra $2000+ (over the $8500). Once these parts are sold for $6,500, you wont see that price again from anybody, I am pretty sure. |
JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member
Username: John_308qv
Post Number: 66
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 11:19 am: | |
I believe this guy is also advertising here on FerrariChat. FerrariAds under parts. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 3194
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 10:16 am: | |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1872544974
just reposted on eBay |
nick m........ (Nickm)
Junior Member
Username: Nickm
Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 11:18 pm: | |
Carpenter was selling the GTO rebodies (early 90's) for over $100K. The body parts now-a-days will cost you on the average about $8-10K. Then installation & paint. With as many people putting the 288 GTO on thier list of top 5 best looking Ferraris, and the fact that you can probably count the number of these cars that come up for resale every year, a person should have no trouble recouping your money out of one of these cars. As long as you are not paying $15K for install and paint. Its a big world out there, when you have a unique item for sale, like a GTO rebody, (or anything else) people will come out of the woodwork. My guess is, if done properly you could actually make money when you sell your GTO rebody. I have made $$ doing this to 911's for years. Ferrari's won't be any different. |
Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member
Username: Me_k
Post Number: 154
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:06 pm: | |
Norwood told me they get 800 from 308s with a stock bottom end -- that's actually what gave me the nerve to go after 600 on my street car. They said they were getting 1100 from 512 engines, but there were 2nd gear issues. That's why the 1100 number made me think 12. |
James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member
Username: Omnadren250
Post Number: 342
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 8:31 pm: | |
and Brent, they do it with stock bottom ends. Some cars are just overbuilt I guess |
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2898
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 8:24 pm: | |
Classic Coach got 1000hp out of a 308 engine for the LeMans car they ran in like 91, that's a balls to wall race car though, with two spare engines and running on race gas. That was ten years ago now, but I still think you'd have a hell of time making a streetable 308 engine with more power than that. Norwood got like 900 out of that 5 liter flat 12 (boxer with tr trans) street car. I can't see them getting more than that out of an engine 60% the size. Although those supra guys put together 800hp 3 liters... |
Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member
Username: Me_k
Post Number: 153
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 6:02 pm: | |
1100? Is it a 12 or are they getting that much from an 8? Is it headed for the street? |
Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member
Username: Jimpo1
Post Number: 934
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:06 am: | |
I think we need to have a 'coming out' party for that black GTO at Norwoods. It's going to be a beast. |
Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member
Username: Acnberlin
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 9:39 am: | |
Do you know of any already-converted Norwood 288/308 cars for sale right now? |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 2702
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 9:24 am: | |
Yes, actually, almost better than orginal with suspension and engine improvements. They're very expensive though and take awhile to build. They've been working on the 1,100 HP GTO for almost two years now and it still looks like they have another year to go. |
Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member
Username: Acnberlin
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 9:17 am: | |
Does anyone know the full details of the Norwood conversion cars? Did they create exact copies, including wheelbase stretch, engine mods and so on? |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 61
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 2:18 pm: | |
Dirk 989,
Look at
http://italianauto.com/page2.html
These guys have been doing this for over 10 years.
Jim Carpenter has all the rebody parts,
and twin turbo technology.
The other company that I know of but have
not dealt with is Bob Norwood, Texas.
I've had a costly past experience doing this,
at such a great lost.
There are already rebodied 308's out there for
$60K or less which would be more economical than
starting from scratch. |
David Jones (Dave)
Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 429
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 1:45 pm: | |
Well to be honest, I love the look of the 288...
But If I were to get a 288 conversion, it would be one already done, or mostly complete.
Martin is right, the cost to do a complete conversion is substantial.
If you are bent on doing it yourself, sell your nice car and get a fender bender, and use the remaining $$ for the conversion body parts.
It makes more sense though to get a car that has already had the major work done, and let the other guy take the loss.
If you search the internet you can usually find cars that have had the bodywork complete, without frame stretch or engine mods, and in need of a paint job fairly reasonable.
Or you might run across one of the nice Norwood conversions which while are a little pricey, have the performance to backup the 288 look. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 3167
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 1:31 pm: | |
unless your 308 is bad in terms of body paint and worth less than $20K and you are willing to keep your car for a long time, don't re-body. YOu will never get the money back. The kit will set you back $ 6K and the labor is another $ 6K and you can simply not get $ 35,000 for a rebodied 308.
Just my 2c.
BTW there was a body kit on eBay. ook through the expired ads within the last week.
Ferrari 308
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J Dirk Carnahan (Dirk989)
New member
Username: Dirk989
Post Number: 43
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 1:09 pm: | |
I am interested in doing a 288 rebody on my 79 308. I have sent several e-mails, but no one seems to want my money bad enough to answer me.
Have any of you done this? How difficult is it? What are the pitfalls I should look for? and Where should I look to start? |