| Author | Message | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1744 Registered: 9-2001 |
we discussed those in another thread - some places they are illegal if you get caught | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 489 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hans, Check in road and track or car and driver in the ads section in the back. M | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1743 Registered: 9-2001 |
hans, maybe you provided a defense here. After all commission of a crime in avoidance of a worse crime is defensible. Did you guys see the guy who got off for DWI because he said some guys tried to jump him in a bar and the only way to get away was for him to jump in his car - they never found the guys trying to jump him but he got off | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2002 |
BTW, I heard that somewhere you can get a prism-like license cover. Visible from front, but from an upward angle not visible. Anybody know? I'd like to get one. Or perhaps they could then simply read my s/n off of the steering column. <jk> | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 487 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hans Bum's don't make big dents. If you clip them fast enough they fly right over the roof. Remember sunday at McDonalds? He cleared my roof by at least 4 feet. M | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1741 Registered: 9-2001 |
I hear ya - just stating the legal facts which stink | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 469 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tom: Recently had a bum step off the curb while I was going thru the intersection. I stopped - mostly to prevent dent in car. Light changed before I could resume. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1740 Registered: 9-2001 |
hans that is also illegal (blocking the box) - if you can't go through an intersection completely don't enter it  | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 468 Registered: 4-2002 |
Err, Ralph, isn't that called a credit/debit card? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 467 Registered: 4-2002 |
What bothers me is that sometimes you can get stuck in the intersection - especially in urban areas. Presto! Ticket. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 77 Registered: 3-2002 |
Whats next? computer chips to pay for a loaf of bread when they confiscate all cash money worldwide to help "track" organized crime and terrorism? That is not the real reason. We all know why. They want to know everything about you. This includes the size of your wifes / girlfriends ;( if you are single ) bra size. Ralph | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 100 Registered: 9-2001 |
some time ago there was an article talking about these in car-and-driver. It sugested that they also *reduce* the "yellow light" time in order to try and catch more people - down to like 3 seconds from 4 (or 4 seconds from 5). they are totally bogus. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1737 Registered: 9-2001 |
hans , more or less from what I remember | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 466 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tom: Are you trying to say that the camera got the back of her head? | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 738 Registered: 3-2001 |
Just tell them somebody stole your car... and later that day you caught up to him in your wife's Yugo, pulled him over and kicked the $&%# out of him... then took your car back. Tell them the guy ran off before you could get his name. I think this will work. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1735 Registered: 9-2001 |
well I think she was almost in his lap if you know what I mean  | ||
| Karsten Jensen (Karsten335)
New member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
That you can't do here. The passenger is ALWAYS blurred, whether there are one, or not. But, ouch! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1732 Registered: 9-2001 |
when I was in the UK, I remember a guy getting his pic taken by a speed camera, problem was he was with his girlfriend and his wife opened the mail - ouch | ||
| Dan B. (Dan_the_man)
Junior Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 61 Registered: 9-2002 |
Go to court and fight it. It is the responsibilty of the DA to prove the charges that are against you. You do not have to prove to them who is driving. They have to prove it is you. | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Jones27)
New member Username: Jones27 Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmm here in DK we have something called, "Gennemsigtigt papir" "Transparent paper" If you put it on the plates of the car, it can't be photographed, very neet trick. | ||
| Scott A. B. Collins (Scott)
Junior Member Username: Scott Post Number: 84 Registered: 6-2001 |
Some legal types need to get fired up about this and at least work on defeating the "rat out" clause. According to Car & Driver, some municipalities just require proof (a picture, or an appearance in person) that it isn't you in the pictures. Others make you ID the person driving, which to me is insane. The next step would be to fight these damn things all together. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1593 Registered: 6-2001 |
These are illegal in alot of states. Just send a picture of money to the police dept. | ||
| Schumi (Schumi)
Junior Member Username: Schumi Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2002 |
I wonder what happened to the notion of innocent until proven guilty and you have the right to remain silent and require strict proof beyond a reasonable doubt to be proven by the Prosecuting Attorney? While I do not like the photo thing, I am more troubled by the administrative procedure that requires YOU to tell them anything to avoid criminal penalties. Unless we the people are informed about who we elect to represent US, this kind of thing - as well as the all new anti-terrorism bills - will get much worse. I will now step down from the soapbox. Thank you. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 311 Registered: 4-2002 |
I would like to see a huge campaign by citizens to destroy these cameras. Pick hammer to the lens should do it. Middle of the night raids. Lets all get out there and exercise our right to a little revolution and take out this big brother crap! BTW they dont have any of these here in GA | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 385 Registered: 4-2002 |
Could there be some sort of perjury charge if you got caught not telling the truth? I don't know about your situation, but my wife does not look like me. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 425 Registered: 5-2001 |
Put one of those reflector things on your tag that keeps someone from reading it unless they are straight behind you. | ||
| Mike Fisher (Mikef)
Junior Member Username: Mikef Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2001 |
Companies that install and maintain these cameras split the fines collected with the municipality. It's just a revenue generator. Around here, you could never make a left turn if you didn't do it on the yellow-red. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2915 Registered: 2-2001 |
From what I understand about the system (I've done a little research b/c this big brother bullsh_t drives me insane) they send the ticket to the driver of the car. If the driver of the car says they weren't driving it then they have to name who was or the ticket sticks to them. In other words you would have to rat out whoever was driving the car or they just give the ticket to you. So theoretically if you wanted them to give the ticket to your wife you could do that, but you can't just say I wasn't driving so I don't deserve a ticket. This whole thing is a load of sh_t. A government fundraiser at its best. They have pretty good editorials in Car and Driver about it every once in awhile, I think there was just one recently actually. Basically lengthening the time of the yellow light drastically reduces car accidents whereas the cameras seem to keep the accident rate the same or increase it. So, there is simply no reason to keep the cameras other than fundraising. They were actually talking of trying to make it fully automated, ie no one even reviews the photo offenses, they would be sent out all through a computer system. Another point, the cameras are incorrect something like 45% of the time and numerous cases have occured where someone received two tickets for running two red lights in different areas at the same time. It's all b.s. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 183 Registered: 9-2001 |
I know here in Washington that if you get one you have to tell them it wasn't you and send them a copy of your driver's license to prove it wasn't and then they drop it. However I have seen one of those tickets and they take some pretty good pictures. As I have heard before, just send them a photo of the amount on the ticket! | ||
| Henry D. Chin (Hanknum)
New member Username: Hanknum Post Number: 38 Registered: 2-2002 |
I just received a ticket in the mail for running a red light (it just changed from yellow, honest). The pictures that they sent me has a picture (quality is pretty good) of someone who looks just like me running a left turn red. The paper work they sent me says if it wasn't me driving, that I could identify who was driving. This leads me to my question: If I were to claim it was my wife or someone else driving would/could they investigate to see if that was actually true? Anyone have any experience in this? These are all hypothetical situations of course. Henry |