| Author | Message | ||
| michelangelo pinto (Michelangelonyc)
New member Username: Michelangelonyc Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2002 |
speaking of F1's randy johnson bought one ..he was all excited about it paid 1.1 whn it arrives he cant even drive it he is to big for it | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2002 |
I didn't say that they wasn't try to make them better then their prev cars. I said that they didn't try to make a better car than the F1. Im pretty sure they arent, because then why haven't they? They have the knowledge and expertise to do it! Offcause they try to build better cars everytime, but not to be better than Mclaren. | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member Username: Acnberlin Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2002 |
No problem about the change of subject, Roel. I personaly like the Ferrari better. Besides, where can anyone really use a car that goes 370km/h? You can't even go that fast here in Germany where it's legal - not enough open road without traffic. | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 72 Registered: 6-2002 |
Karsten; quoting you: "Ferrari ain't trying to make a better car, because I'm pretty sure that if Ferrari wanted to make a car that could go 370 km/h they would do it" I think you are completely missing the point here. First of all, Ferrari is definitely trying to make a better car every time. Why wouldnt they be? Else they could have just taken the F40 and built a new body for it. I mean ferrari is all about being elegance and prestige right? Not about improving peformance at all.... right? Wrong. Secondly, why are you bringing topspeed in the picture here? Noone ever mentioned that. You're the only one using topspeed as an argument here, while we all know topspeed is of so little importance. But nevermind, I just read the end of the Modena thread. And i believe i should stop taking your posts seriously anyway. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3209 Registered: 5-2001 |
nothing compared to the 200% import tax here in Jamaica! Man, you have to have a friend at the loading docks  | ||
| Karsten Jensen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ferrari ain't trying to make a better car, because I'm pretty sure that if Ferrari wanted to make a car that could go 370 km/h they would do it. Ferrari is making cars for prestige and elegance, not too make a better car than the F1, Im pretty sure that ain't there goal | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 71 Registered: 6-2002 |
Dave: I have to agree that the F1 is one of the most special cars of all time. That fact only becomes more obvious when you see that we're still comparing it now to the best thing Ferrari has got to offer, while the F1 is already a decade old. And even now it's not getting a spanking... at all. On the contrary, opinions are still very much devided on which of these cars is the "better" one. Just one thing, who gives if the toolset is made out of kryptonite, hehe, still, it does add to the "exclusiveness" of the whole package. Sorry for the change of subject in this thread Brian. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 355 Registered: 4-2002 |
Everything related to the driving position was custom fitted on the McLaren F1, not just seats but pedals positions, steering position etc. The buyers back then also had a trip to that factory for the measure session, so Ferrari aren't doing anything new here. Seems many are being taken in by the hype and just because its the latest top of the range F car. Next they'll be claiming it has modem onboard to download and allow engine control settings to be checked and even adjusted if necessary by an expert still in the UK offices...and that if you ever breakdown the factory will send a technician out at their cost to anywhere in the world to get you sorted...oh sorry, McLaren also offered that on the F1 didn't they? I recall even the tools supplied with the F1 were made of some unobtainium exotic material, are they on the ENZO? Sorry but considering when it was built there's nowt to come even close to the F1...and believe me I'm not one of its greatest fans but its hard to knock perfection in engineering detail, even when 10 yrs old. | ||
| Karsten Jensen (Karsten335)
New member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2002 |
Still, its 70% or more in Denmark, so don't complain mate | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 70 Registered: 6-2002 |
Kurt: about that... The retail price for the Enzo in Holland is 909.700 Euro .... Now that's just a crime. ps: I just looked it up, The bpm is 45.2%, not 42.5%... i stand corrected. Edit: Brian: outrageous indeed, and I didnt know that about greece. 33%... still -way- too much, hehe | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member Username: Acnberlin Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2002 |
42.5 % is outrageous! You aren't alone, though - Greece has exhorbitant taxes on cars,too. 33% I think. Brian | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 69 Registered: 6-2002 |
Brian: still, that 16% is nothing compared to the taxes in Holland. Have you ever heard about our BPM-tax? I believe it is 42.5% on a new car. Unbelievable. I think were about the only country in europe using this system. It just stinks. It makes buying cars from another country very unattractive too, because the bpm will still be applied. (a little less percentage for each year of the car's age, with a max of ten years, when the tax is set at 10%, i believe) So much for an open market in Europe. | ||
| Karsten Jensen (Karsten335)
New member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2002 |
yes, but it's worth it Very bautiful and Powerfull car, so its fair enough. A collectors item if you ask me. Wait and see, In 30 years its worth alot more I think I actually saw a Ferrari in a magazine, can't remember which one, an old one. It was for sale at 80 million kroner (about 10 million dollars) I wonder what was so special about it, but I'm sure it was a collectors item | ||
| Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member Username: Kurtk328 Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2001 |
The retail price for the Enzo in France is 690.000 Euro - somebody is trying to make an awful lot of money here. | ||
| Karsten Jensen (Karsten335)
New member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ahh okay, thanks for the info, didn't know that | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member Username: Acnberlin Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2002 |
That's only sort of true. When a car is new, it's price has 16% tax built in. On new cars and some used cars this 16% tax is refundable upon proof of exportation. However, if you go to register the car Germany, you pay tax based on engine capacity and emissions equipment. For example, a 5.0L car with no catalysts costs 50 Euro per 100cc in tax to register, or, 2500 Euro per year! This, combined with gas that costs more than $4/gallon, is partially why older, pre-catalyst Ferraris are so cheap here (in Germany). | ||
| Karsten Jensen (Karsten335)
New member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2002 |
That doesn't surprise me. Germany has it all, when it comes to cars. Like Monte Carlo. There aren't any taxes on the cars, at all. Germany is also the land with most Ferrari's after California and Italy | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 67 Registered: 6-2002 |
Dan; You're right, I think I am making the mistake of comparing it to US F40 prizes, which for some reason seem to be a lot higher (around $300k ?) My mistake. | ||
| Allen Shelley (Allen_97_993)
New member Username: Allen_97_993 Post Number: 15 Registered: 3-2002 |
I believe that most car transactions on eBay take place in person. What I mean is that eBay is simply a place to "connect" buyer and seller. When I was looking at getting a 348 or 355 recently, I used eBay quite a bit to see various cars. If I saw one interesting, I would call. After the call, if I was still interested, I would go visit the person/dealer and see the car. If car still looked good, a PPI was next. If PPI was good, I would buy the car. All of this never occurred, but you get the idea. I think a $300 plane ticket is relatively cheap if your looking to buy a $75K item. Also, I don't think anyone would seriously consider spending that kind of money sight unseen...but I guess you never know. | ||
| Vikster (Threefivefive)
New member Username: Threefivefive Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2002 |
"The original buyer flies to Maranello to be measured for his seat!Imagine paying close to 700k and then gaining 20 lbs!" I don't know about GAINING 20lbs. With a million dollars less in my bank account, I'd actually lose twice that amount sweating. Regards. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1598 Registered: 6-2001 |
"Guys - ebay is free advertising." I guess this is true if you pretend there is no listing fee. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Junior Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 91 Registered: 9-2002 |
I'm sure having a new seat made is not really exprensive. As for the sale - it could very well be the case that they know someone who IS getting a car, and are simply acting as an agent for them should an interesting offer come in. Guys - ebay is free advertising. I'm sure that MANY dealers / etc. use the system to generate interest, whether or not a transaction takes place. I wouldn't take it to heart... Roel: 240k isn't too low. There was another F40 in italy with some 48k kilometers and the guy was asking for less (~220, if I remember correctly). I guess it all depends on the car. --Dan | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 656 Registered: 5-2001 |
Roel, Correct about the seat.The original buyer flies to Maranello to be measured for his seat!Imagine paying close to 700k and then gaining 20 lbs! | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2002 |
William; You're kidding right? inferior... I beg to differ that statement. But im sure there were threads about that already :P One thing I was wondering about though; Read somewhere that the seats are custom made for each buyer of the Enzo... The thing is.. if you buy one that is at the dealer... or in a few years, a used one... You're stuck with some seat that isnt your size. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1559 Registered: 2-2001 |
You can get a McLaren F1 for $1.2 M. You'd have to be high to pay $1.3 for the Enzo which is inferior to the F1 | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2002 |
The ad refers to this site; http://www.albros.de/ some nice 360 spiders for sale there. I'm quite interested in that F40 presented there... for "only" 239.000 Euro ...it's a bargain if you ask me! well, bargain... Not to sure on the Enzo bit... they might be on the list to receive one.. who knows.. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
New member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2002 |
I am not sure what to make of it. I don't speak any other language so I am clueless. It's possible but most of those bids from what I hear are crap. There have been a few before here in the states but it makes me wonder who would buy an Enzo off Ebay. I wouldn't trust it if you are interested. Matt | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member Username: Acnberlin Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2002 |
Do you think anyone really pays DuPont Registry prices? I often wonder... | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 740 Registered: 3-2001 |
There's one for sale in DuPont Registry for $1.3MIL US. | ||
| Brian W Dimetres (Acnberlin)
New member Username: Acnberlin Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2002 |
What do you guys make of this? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1785451064 |