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Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 9:42 am: | |
Peter -- US models? -- is this a trick question? I think for sure that the Euro (Standard?) cars converted for US import are always a bit heavier, but a few hundred pounds at most (and nothing near that for the more modern models). Any 4~5 liter GT with a realistic road-going interior is going to be more than a tad over 3000 lbs -- a 1400 Kg BB sounds yummy, but I think you'd have to unbolt a lot of parts. (I sure wish on my TR that they had used less weight and increased the NVH some -- it's just too damn quiet in the cockpit with the windows up!). |
Peter S�derlund/328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 8:50 am: | |
Mitchel, I am afraid it wont be my second Ferrari but when I substitute my 328 GTB to another Ferrari I must start figuring out which one to buy. The current one has no power steering, no ABS, no anti fun devices, no cat (soon) etc. Shall I go for a more modern car as 355 GTB with all kind of aids, comfort and stuff or for a more basic flat twelve which is a 100% drivers car with a buckets of personality (or whatever you call odd Italian problem).
Steve, the dry weight figures come from the www.ferrari.com site (1120 and 1400 kg). I must say that I am very surprised by the difference. The GT4 should weight 1720 kg and BB 1675 kg (curb weight) according to Maziars site (thanks Simon). That is on the other hand quite a lot... Are the US-models heavier than the Euro-models?
I think the book �original Ferrari 12-cylinder something� must be purchased. I still have a couple of years of dithering.
Thanks for all help
Ciao
Peter |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 8:59 am: | |
Thanks Simon -- now those are much more believable dry weights for a 12 cyl. GT! |
Simon Campbell (Simonc)
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 4:38 am: | |
Have a look at http://www.masiarz.net/bb_resource/comp_stats.html for the specification of the various Boxers. This is quite a good 'Boxer' site.
Simon |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 9:27 am: | |
Peter -- IMHO the only way a 365GT4BB could weigh 1120 Kg is if you remove most of the interior, accessories, bumpers, etc.! I have a hard time believing the higher 365GT4BB weight spec (~1238 Kg) shown on the Ferrari N.A. website (http://www.ferrarina.com - "automobilia" - "past models"). I'd even suspect the 512BB weight spec, since if it really only weighs 1400 Kg, then the performance/nimbleness should be so much better than a 512BBi or TR that the newer models would have come under considerable criticism.
Even if the 365GT4BB makes more peak power (a very unreilable timeframe for HP specs IMHO where manufacturers went from overestimating HP to underestimating HP), the shorter stroke (71mm vs 78mm) will reduce the available low-mid RPM torque so this may be a difference worth considering/evaluating depending on how you'd be using the car.
(Let us know if you get any actual weight values.) |
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
| | Posted on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 8:20 am: | |
Peter, hows it going? I believe my 2nd Ferrari is going to be a Boxer or a series 1 TR. I have some research figures you may be interested in knowing. The 365 had hotter cams and shorter gearing for acceleration, hence why it is quite a bit faster than a 512 Boxer. In 76 they brought out the carbed 512, made only 921 of them up to 1981 when they put the fuel injection on. The carbed 512s were not as quick off the line as the 362, but the top speed was higher due to the extra 600ccs. 1981 brought the fuelie 512s, made 1007 of em up to 1984. There was a total of 2315 total Boxers made. Only about 25% of them were brought into the US, even though Ferrari never officially imported them here. The noise the cars made was awesome. I do not have weight figures on the cars. I think the value of the Boxer has bottomed out, and is a good time to buy them, same with the series 1 TRs. For $50,000-$60,000 you can buy a new soul-less Lexus LS 430, or you can have all the soul you can stand and buy a Ferrari Boxer. Just my .02 |
Peter S�derlund/328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
| | Posted on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 7:41 am: | |
512 i BB 81 -
340 bhp at 6000 rpm
4992 cc
1499 kg
280 km/h
512BB 76 -
360 bhp at 6800 rpm
4942 cc
1400 kg
302 Km/h
365 GT4 BB 71 - 76
380 bhp at 7700 rpm
4390 cc
1120 kg
302 Km/h
What have happend to the weight on the BB from 356 to the 512 i? Why is the weight almost 400 kg up. Do anyone know the acc.figures for these Ferraris?
The 365 is reving more than the other two, it is much lighter, it has more power and it is propably cheaper. What are the reasons to buy a 512 i BB or BB instead of a 365? Im a litle bit curious since Im in the dreaming mode...
Ciao
Peter |
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