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Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 757
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 6:03 pm: | |
I luv the tree limb and $200 home. How true. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 756
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 6:02 pm: | |
timing and balance. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 755
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 6:01 pm: | |
my 944 had belts. |
Mark (Markg)
Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 311
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 1:31 pm: | |
Bruno, P cars, at least 911 series, use chains with a whole bunch of guides and tensioners, not belts. When I rebuilt my '69 911S motor I upgraded to the latest factory improved tensioners and guides, an easy 150k mile engine ...just change oil, plugs, cap and rotor now and then!
P cars were famous for tensioner failure (which ment having to drive car at low RPM to a shop, but usually not causing engine damage). Factory fixed problem, and it is 100% retro to early P cars.
My F car (82 GTSi) came with PLASTIC! gears, one of which did have a broked lip; after-market kit came with lipped aluminum gears (OEM are steel).
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JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 188
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 1:11 pm: | |
>>You dont see too many ferrari engines hanging from a tree limb beside a $200 home.<<
I've had do-it-yourselfers come by looking for used TR plugs before, you know, cause those bran spankin new ones were so expensive, forgot to ask him where he lived. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 682
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:44 pm: | |
Chevys are simple to work on horsefly because simpletons buy them and after a case of beer in the backyard, they still have to be able to fix the thing. You dont see too many ferrari engines hanging from a tree limb beside a $200 home. |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member
Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 538
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:00 pm: | |
Many cars use round tooth belts vs. the 308s square tooth belts. That makes a large diff. Plus I think it would help to have flanges on either side of the cam pulley. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 752
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:54 am: | |
Also it seems I know more people who had their belt snap after a new belt was installed then the old one from age. And yes they were installed correct by Ferrari. The teeth wearing off and bearings seizing are more of a problem I would say then just simple age with low miles. Why do I see so many P cars and vw's running around with close to 200k on them with the original belts? I even see Audi's that have been to the moon and back with original belts. Did Ferrari use an inferior material?. Stuff to make you wonder. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 751
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:50 am: | |
Dont I remember hearing that some one came up with a belt to chain conversion for the 308??? Any one know,hear off or do it?. Seems like something worth considering. No more big$$$ maintenances. |
magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3585
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 9:47 pm: | |
Hey, And let us not forget that wonderful G.M. Diesel of the 70s and 80s. What a rip off. But it did make a great boat anchor. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 433
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 2:56 pm: | |
Hey Richard, you're forgetting one of General Motor's greatest agonys. On practically all the late 60s GM cars, in order to remove the oil pan, you had to remove the engine mount bolts and lift up the engine about 6 inches to get the necessary clearance. Ironically, the Corvette was the easiest of all; just unbolt the tie rod and swing it out of the way and drop the oil pan. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 1901
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 2:22 pm: | |
Jim
you won't convince arlie and tony/richard. BTW my uncle had a new chevy until the steering wheel completely came off while going 60 on the highway. he would have preferred the repair bill |
James Napolis (Napolis)
Junior Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 132
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 2:12 pm: | |
Arlie
When Michelangelo looked at that block of marble he could have considered the downside: a lot of work, low pay, you could get one inch from the end and it all could shatter, and have walked away.
If you're lucky enough to be able to afford it, the Extasy far exceeds the Agony |
RichardVassil (Richardv)
New member
Username: Richardv
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 2:07 pm: | |
Would make a great home video though. |
RichardVassil (Richardv)
New member
Username: Richardv
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 2:06 pm: | |
Arlie,
You are too objective for me. I used to think loosening an engine mount on a big block Ranchero to change the rearmost plug was bad design! A cambelt that sheds the teeth has that beat.
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Horsefly (Arlie)
Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 432
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 1:59 pm: | |
Richard, now that I think about it, the TR repair would be a whole lot more fun. MUCH more costly, AND you have to pull the engine from BELOW the car. That sounds like much more fun, money, and down time while the car is in the shop. Who wants to drive a car anyway? Of course, more shop time means more time for abuse like, theft from the vehicle, scratched paint, parts robbed off your car to repair another, etc. Yeah, you're probably right, go WHOLE HOG and buy a TR. |
RichardVassil (Richardv)
New member
Username: Richardv
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 1:45 pm: | |
On second thought Arlie, don't you want the $45,000 repair bill on the flat 12?
Keep it simple, stupid. Or is it keep it stupid, simple? |
RichardVassil (Richardv)
New member
Username: Richardv
Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 1:43 pm: | |
After nuclear holocaust the small block Chevy will be the only thing working. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 431
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 1:38 pm: | |
No more Chevys for me. I want some of those $8000 engine repair bills!!! |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 679
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 1:18 pm: | |
Previous owner had the front belt strip its teeth (79 308) on start-up due to lack of service. Paid the dealer to rebuild the engine, replace some valves and so on. The reciept says, $8000 in 92 for the repairs. |
James Napolis (Napolis)
Junior Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 130
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 9:34 am: | |
For some reason FNA opted to have have WWOC rebuild it which was fine with me. When my 308 had high oil consumption early on they repalced the motor under warantee. They also repainted the whole car under warantee as the paint spyder webbed. Over 30 years I've found the warantee's and WWOC really fair. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 1896
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 9:22 am: | |
Jim
I would have thought for 45k they could have given you a new engine? Did they? Since it was right during the production run I would have thought this would have been the easiest thing to do |
Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member
Username: Dapper
Post Number: 366
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 9:13 am: | |
Peter, you're a braver man than I. You have actually suffered a broken belt and you are relaxed to leave it as long as 5 years to do changes. |
Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member
Username: Squidracing
Post Number: 258
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 8:28 am: | |
The Ferrari owners NIGHTMARE!
I usually change my belts every season, at most every other season. |
Robert (Ferraribob)
New member
Username: Ferraribob
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 1:02 am: | |
Thanks Tom for the post! |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 94
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:14 am: | |
during the 80's -
belt jumped tooth on a 308 that was about 4 years old-
I don't recall the mileage on the car -
car sounded like a diesel.
we were able to get off the freeway
and luckily drive to the mechanic less than
a mile away |
magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 3583
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 11:11 pm: | |
Boy, With these testimonial it makes you think about it everytime you start the engine. These testimonials to belt failure are a first here on the F.C. as far as I can remember. Surprising and also scary. |
James Napolis (Napolis)
Junior Member
Username: Napolis
Post Number: 128
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 9:05 pm: | |
Six months after I got my TR which I bought new in 1988 the belt snapped at highway speed. It was a $45,000 warantee claim. I think they improved the belts as I never had another one break but I changed them every 15,000 miles. This was my daily driver so it got a lot of use. (130,000 miles over 14 years) I don't think you can tell by looking at it. I would change it every 15,000 miles or after 3 years. If it fails its big bucks. |
Tom Jones (Ferrarioldman)
New member
Username: Ferrarioldman
Post Number: 27
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 9:01 pm: | |
I have repaired several 308's and 328's due to belts not being changed. The belts didn't snap, the "teeth" stripped off of them. I have had a belt on a 2 year old TR (7k miles) snap on me during a test drive many years ago. Never found what caused it. It looked like the belt just pulled apart. I have also seen ice to cause a 308 and 348 to jump cam timing bending valves. Snow acculated on the hoods melted during the day causing water to drip down into the cambelt area. Water freezes on the belt that night and the next morning when they went to start the car ... well you get the picture. $$$.
I tend to believe that maybe that's why they added a seal to the front part of a 355 hood under the rear window. |
Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member
Username: Peter_topman
Post Number: 14
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 8:51 pm: | |
Yes, on my first 308 ... I broke one on start up.
Since then (and several $$$$$$$ later) I do it every 5 years just to be safe.
I also had a friend snap his timing belt on his Mondial T (single belt system) and the entire engine needed to be rebuilt. ($$$$$ OUCH !!!!! BIG TIME)
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Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member
Username: Asianbond
Post Number: 93
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 8:29 pm: | |
Been hearing so much about the dread cambelt service. Has anyone actually have a cambelt snap on them and what were the consequences (damage and cost)? I find it so hard to believe that the factory insist that you change the belt every 2 to 3 years. Given that most ferraris are not driven daily (low mileage) it would lead to assuming that the factory thinks the belt's rubber material would deterioate within that period to a dangerous point. I've seen 5 year old cambelts that look brand new. Wondering whether the likelihood of a cambelt snapping has more to due with being unlucky with having a bad one (even if new) or more attributed to time and mileage.
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