| Author | Message | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 740 Registered: 12-2001 |
I would like to add something here as a Mechanic myself. Im not a ferrari mechanic. I have a customer base myself to repair run of the mill cars at my house as well as performance work when I have the time. The reason people come to me is they trust me and I dont hose them. I dont need to charge what a shop charges because of low overhead. Ive never been accused of not doing the work I charged for. They get the job done at prices they cant believe and its done right, not to mention, I make half decent money doing it. The reference to a toyota is compared to a 308. A 308 isnt hard to service and people shouldnt pay crazy prices to do it. JRV, you arent doing yourself any favors because Im sure people from your area (customers and potential ones) are reading your posts. You dont "sound" professional by slamming people but Im sure you do know what you are doing. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 740 Registered: 8-2002 |
You are right James. JRV lets agree to disagree on this issue and move on. We are both passionate about our arguement and we are talking in circles. James, I'll call you later in the week about my Boxer. I'll be picking it up on Thurday or Friday. M | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>talk about a shill. 15 minutes for a air filter change. << ya ever done it sport? if you timed yourself and it didn't take at least 15 minutes then you need to get a new timex. You ever here of cleaning the residual dirt out of the housing while you have it apart??? of course not...because we both know just wiping the outside is much faster. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 262 Registered: 6-2002 |
Perhaps it is time for everyone to take a deep breath, pause for a moment, and start over. I have met Matt, and he is a very nice man. I have not enjoyed the pleasure of meeting JRV, but suspect he too, is a pleasant and knowledgeable gentleman. I suspect that if the two of you met at a party, or perhaps a bar, and struck up a conversation, that you soon would enjoy each other's enthusiasm and interest. Perhaps the Web, while conducive for interaction, has led you both astray. Time to start over. Jim S. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 738 Registered: 8-2002 |
BYW captain know it all, I did a search on Eugenio and came up with 14 different threads all positive. You can do it yourself. Do we all work for him as well? Maybe you do not know what loyality is? I guess you would not some of your customers defending you, since non have come to your defense. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 736 Registered: 8-2002 |
JVR, I have NO AFFILIATION. And BYW, You are commiting libal and slander by saying so. He has worked on my car, as well as others. Prove it or STFU. I have nothing to prove to you. Not one person on this board has ever had anything bad to say about him. I also take my car to Ferrari in Woodland Hills, More then any other shop.Do I work for them as well? Look at your own hours... - Replace Valve Cover Gaskets 2.0 - Replace Cam End Cover Gaskets .50 - Replace Air Filter .25 - Replace A/C Belt .50 - Replace Alternator / Water Pump Belt .50 - Adjust Valves 3.0 - Torque Cam Journals .50 - Torque Heads .75 - Bleed Brake Lines 2.0 - Change Oil and new Filter 1.0 - Change Transaxle Gear Fluid .50 - Replace entire Coolant 1.75 - Inspection/Service of Air Conditioning System 2.0 - Clean Engine Compartment .50 - Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks .50 - Inspect Fuse Panel .50 talk about a shill. 15 minutes for a air filter change. Once again..don't speak about things you do not know. Every one in LA has a choice. I was not the only one to recommed him. If you were not so narrow minded you would have seen that. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2002 |
The guy writes you a 10K word self serving diatribe just in time for another post by you and you have no affiliation? Just happened to see a thread ?? Shops itemize only to screw customers ???? Ferrai's are easier to work on than toyotas??? WTF ??? Unbelievible !!! I itemized every operation with corresponding times that prove a 30K takes at least 52 hours to complete correctly and your response is Ferrari's are easier to work on than toyotas and the world is conspiring to screw Ferrari owners except for you and honest eugenio????? I am throughly convinced now that you are part and parcel with this service scam. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 735 Registered: 8-2002 |
First off VJR, I have NO affiliation with him. He has worked on my car period. So ALL of us are wrong and you are right? I suppose your solution is to truck our cars to Houston where it is done right? Don't bother to answer, I know what your answer will be. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2002 |
WOW...matty...I see you'll go to extreme lenghts to schill for this scam. So sad really. I'm not sure I can feel sorry for those that fall victim to the scam though. You get what you pay for in this world. And if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2002 |
I wanted to thank everyone for the information. I have given Eugenio a call and he seems like a very nice person who cares about who's Ferrari he is servicing. He services Ferrari's as a passion and as a hobby. I appologize for starting this thread. I was just trying to find a fair and reasonable mechanic in Los Angeles, and after all this it seems that Eugenio is the only one that is reasonablly priced. Thank FC for your help in realizing who to go to and what to look out for. I will hope that Eugenio will have the time to take a look at my car as soon as possible as I will be patient. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 733 Registered: 8-2002 |
I know I said I would not post here but I recieved an e-mail that I thought I should share From: Eugenio's Ferrari Service [[email protected]] Sent: Sun 12/1/2002 8:24 AM To: Lemus, Matt Cc: Subject: from Eugenio Hello Matt, Just wanted to say thanks. My nephew, who helps me, surfs alot on the internet, one of those places is Ferrarichat. I guess there was some recent postings, and I heard you were there for me. Simply put, Thank You. (not sure the motivation of whomever was causing the issue(s)) You, and some others, that are great people, are the reason I started doing what I'm doing. I wanted to say thank you, and, if there's ever anything I can do for you, please just let me know. (Re. that thread in FerrariChat, I can tell you know what's truly going on, and can read between the lines, no need for me to go into great detail. Something about a used cam belt bla bla bla,, Everyone who knows me knows I always return all the old parts to the customer and provide pictures for documentation. i.e. Cam belts cost around $18, why would anyone re-use one ?!?! (never heard something so insane). However, I have seen many many times, others reuse the bearings to save $$ for i.e., which I never do, and other falsifications on billing. The basic parts cost on a major service such as a 308 is really only about $575, the rest is just labor. Others don't want you to know this because they double, triple, or even quadruple their parts cost. I buy my parts from the same places the dealers do and usually have 3-4 sets of parts in stock at any given time. Another example of why shops like to charge so much is first, they feel because it's a Ferrari they can charge more and prey on the owners fear (like...better come to me...so you don't get a used timing belt from someone else, or, we better do all these other things or your car is going to blow up....or, we better redo everything because the last guy(s) didn't really do it). Secondly, they charge more because they feel they have the expertise to work on your Ferrari. True, but after the expertise has been attained changing the timing belt on your 308 is easier than on a Toyota Celica. So why continue to charge high dollar for infinity that which is simply basic work (my philosophy). Thirdly, some shops are equiped with alignment racks, tire changing equip., restoration facilities, showrooms, etc, and are making payments on all that equipment...which means, even though you're going in only for basic service, you're having to pay his astrnomical overhead for the entire facility (which isn't fair to you, i.e. you're not getting a paint job while you're there). Also, others like to "itemize" the bill to make the end math come out higher, to charge more. My lists are simply lists of what gets done, and what other people don't understand is there are so many economies of scale that occur along the way...i.e. on a 308...I will check out the AC system, however, hooking up gauges doesn't take 2 hours and IF it already blows cold and the pressures are correct, no need to charge anything. And 9 times out of 10 on a 308, the compressor can simply be moved out of the way thus saving the Freon charge. Also, because everything is disassembled and then reassembled, the chain of events is relatively smooth. (sure, if every item was started, then completed, before the next item started, it would add up to a fortune, but nobody paints a house with a toothbroush one section at a time). But, my purpose is to help people and set an example, not win by bashing the other guy. Matt, if your car ever needs service you will not have to wait long. The people who are close to me get priority. Others have to wait because yes, I'm very busy, and, I need time to get to know them. I'm controversial and not for everyone. I started doing this for people with the biggest Ferrari heart, not the biggest wallet (although now I do have some high rollers, nice guys). Nor does everyone deserve the red carpet treatment right off the bat. You will be taken care of. Ciao ! E, a presto. Eugenio | ||
| stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
Junior Member Username: Ethans_dad Post Number: 119 Registered: 3-2002 |
Matt/Scott: I'm glad to hear that you are both very satified with Eugenios service. I'd come across his name before and as JRV, had the same reservations. I called him and he eventually did return my call. I had the same observations that you all comment on: he obviously does this for the love of Ferrari's. The service prices he offers are unheard of in the Fcar community, and testimonials from Fchatters like yourselves are very important to spread the word to other owners. Thanks for the tip! | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2002 |
matty...what's the labor rate in LA. and BTW sport...the book times are what the factory pays the dealers on warranty claims and does not reflect the actual time it takes in the real world to perform most operations in a quality manner... So how does one do an entire legitamte 30K for less than the cost of labor alone ??? Of course we know the answer to that dion't we....magic of course. I don't care if who ever is paying you a commish does 30K's for free....but don't confuse Bullshit with what Comprehensive Professional Service is all about!!!! The half price specials are a scam. As borne out by the numbers just as I said they would be. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 726 Registered: 8-2002 |
VRJ "up Schillin early today I see" The only shill would be you. Why has no one slammed him then? Why is he not been taken down? Ferrari owners do not trust their cars to anyone. Except maybe in Houston. He has been investigated at least a few dozen times. Just because it costs more does not mean it is quality. He does not use a "cheat hours" book to price his time. He does it as a hobby and part time business. He does one car at a time. He does it for the love of the car. not making a fast buck like some shops. I would not trust you to change my spark plugs knowing your style and antics. I suspect there are a few here that have read your posts and are rethinking your customer service style. You still never answered my questions, and I doubt you ever will. Don't bother with a cute slam or a stupid comeback as I have become to expect from you. I will not be checking this post any longer. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ahhh matty me boy ...up Schillin early today I see....Well sport I put "real" times to the list ...acurate, fair, legitimate, real times per operation. comes to 52 hours sport!!!! I'll get to the parts in a few just for you sport. $50.00 ph = $2600.00 labor only $55.00 ph = $2860.00 labor only Oh my... So now,...what's the labor rate in LA these days ??? $2 maybe $3 bucks an hour??? must be very very low because I haven't added any parts in yet !!! ;-) 30,000 mile MAJOR SERVICE = $1795.00 (348�s and Mondial t�s are $2465 and F355�s are $2895 due to parts cost, engine removal, etc.) includes the following: - Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch) **Inspect Clean Gap Reinstall** = .75 - Replace Timing Belts and Tensioner Bearings 5.0 - Replace Cam Seals and Housing O-Rings 4.0 - Replace Valve Cover Gaskets 2.0 - Replace Distributor Seals and Housing Gaskets 1.25 - Replace Distributor Cap Gaskets .50 - Replace Cam End Cover Gaskets .50 - Replace Air Filter .25 - Replace Fuel Filter .75 - Replace A/C Belt .50 - Replace Alternator / Water Pump Belt .50 - Adjust Valves 3.0 - Torque Cam Journals .50 - Torque Heads .75 - Set Timing - Bleed Brake Lines 2.0 - Change Oil and new Filter 1.0 - Change Transaxle Gear Fluid .50 - Replace entire Coolant 1.75 - Inspection/Service of Air Conditioning System 2.0 - Inspect all Lines (fuel, oil, water) and replace if necessary - Check of Lambda System and Bosch Fuel Injection System 1.0 - Clean Engine Compartment .50 - Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks .50 - Inspect CV Boots - Inspect Fuse Panel .50 - Inspect Tires / Tire pressure PLUS = Remove & Replace Engine 22.0 | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 725 Registered: 8-2002 |
Eugenio's Ferrari Service complete price list PRICE SHEET {Documentation of every service comes complete with full write-up, and detailed receipts for your records} ___________________________________________________________________________________________ All prices are approximations. Prices include all parts and labor. 15,000 mile MINOR SERVICE = $695.00 (348�s are $725 and F355�s are $875 due to parts cost and added labor) includes the following: - Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch) - Change Oil and install new Filter - Replace Air Filter - Change Transaxle Gear Fluid - Replace Fuel Filter - Bleed Brake Lines - Replace entire Coolant - Replace A/C Belt - Replace Alternator Belt - Replace Water Pump Belt - Check Lambda System - Check Fuel Injection System - Check Air Conditioning System (pressures) (Freon is extra) - Inspect Distributor Caps / Rotors / Ignition Wires - Inspect all Bulbs - Inspect all Motors - Pressurize Coolant System (check for leaks, replace hose(s) if necessary) - Check CV Boots - Thorough Inspection of entire car 30,000 mile MAJOR SERVICE = $1795.00 (348�s and Mondial t�s are $2465 and F355�s are $2895 due to parts cost, engine removal, etc.) includes the following: - Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch) - Replace Timing Belts and Tensioner Bearings (Bearing cost is extra on 348's and F355's) - Replace Cam Seals and Housing O-Rings (as needed, slight extra charge per seal if it's needed) - Replace Valve Cover Gaskets - Replace Distributor Seals and Housing Gaskets - Replace Distributor Cap Gaskets - Replace Cam End Cover Gaskets - Replace Air Filter - Replace Fuel Filter - Replace A/C Belt - Replace Alternator / Water Pump Belt - Adjust Valves - Torque Cam Journals - Torque Heads - Set Timing - Bleed Brake Lines - Change Oil and new Filter - Change Transaxle Gear Fluid - Replace entire Coolant - Inspection/Service of Air Conditioning System (recharge extra on 308�s but included on 348�s/F355�s ) - Inspect all Lines (fuel, oil, water) and replace if necessary - Check of Lambda System and Bosch Fuel Injection System (make adjustments if necessary) - Clean Engine Compartment - Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks - Inspect CV Boots - Inspect Fuse Panel - Inspect Tires / Tire pressure {The items below are inspected and advised to the customer at no charge, if any item(s) require service, the customer will be advised of the cost. - Inspect Water Pump - Inspect all Seals (shift shaft, main, timing gear assy) - Inspect Ignition Wires / Caps / Rotors - Inspect all Bulbs, Lights, Electrical Motors - Inspect Clutch Pedal play (adjustment setting if necessary) - Inspect all Suspension Bushings / Connections - Inspect all Exhaust Joints / Connections for leaks - Inspect Brake Pads and Discs - Inspect Wheel Bearings OTHER COMMON SERVICES "servizio individuale" - 308/328 Timing Belt and Tensioner Bearing replacement = $695.00 - Water Pump rebuild/replacement = $395.00 (new = $785.00) - 308/328 Shift Shaft Seal, Oil Pan Gaskets, and Trans Pan Gaskets (plus all fluids) replacement = $585.00 - Oil Change and Filter = $89.00 (F355's are $155 due to synthetic oil and labor for cover(s) removal) - Transmission Fluid Change = $92.00 - Coolant Replacement = $95.00 - Completely Tune Bosch Fuel Injection System = $158.00 - Service Air Conditioning System "recharge"(incl Freon) = $175.00 - Replace Front Brake Pads (includes bleeding, rotor turning and wheel bearings extra) = $165.00 - Replace Rear Brake Pads (includes bleeding, rotor turning and wheel bearings extra) = $165.00 - Replace Alternator = $325.00 avg - Replace Starter = $395.00 avg - Replace Radiator Fans = $455.00 each - Remove, rod out, and reinstall radiator = $415.00 - Replace Distributor Caps and Rotors = $815.00 - Replace Ignition Wire set = $615.00 - Replace all Accessory Belts = $165.00 - Complete Clutch Job = $1185.00 - Clean out all fuel injectors = $190.00 - Replace CV Joint Boots = $355.00 Per Axle - Complete Detail Job = $95.00 | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 724 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, I am not your bro and I saw the new cam belts. You wanted to see what you get with the 30k. I gave it to you. Wanted the price. I gave it to you. I have seen the new parts and him work. I am also smart enough to have checked references and verify what work is completed. And as for you keep wanting the math...Prove he is a fraud by finding just one person on this board that has been here along time and that coinsidently does not sign up in the next day or so to say he is. Until then, Drop it. So far, the only flapping has been from you. Making false claims and slamming and the only thing you keep saying is Math. Well here's some for you 300 Ferrari owners + 1 Eugenio + great prices = returning loyal business (despite a 2 - 6 month wait) JRV + mouth = sour grapes. BTY no BBB claims against him. Are there any on your shop? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 239 Registered: 11-2002 |
Man matty are you still flappin your beak...Sheeessshhhh.. The math doesn't support your outlandish claims sport...don't worry....that's not really a used cam belt on "your" car. You know, you got the wink and the high five bro. LOL | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 720 Registered: 8-2002 |
And when did I say I did not care? I could care less about the "shop numbers" But I do know when something has not been done or not functioning. And drop the "boyz" stuff. You sound pathetic. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 719 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV How do you know what I am getting and what I am not? Face it. You know nothing about Eugenios. You know nothing about his work. You know nothing about his quality. So I guess a few hundred of us are wrong and you are right? I take my car to Eugenios for the 15k and 30k service and Ferrari in Woodland Hills for the stuff that cannot wait. I love paying their $125 per labor rate. They have never commented on the condition of my car of even suggested it has not been maintained. You sound a lot like Richard Vassil right now. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 236 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thanks matty boy...."you don't care"...that's what I thought!!! That was my other point. As long as you think you're getting something for nothing, you're happy. Why didn't you just say so rather than trying to BS me. You LA boyz sure are smart and cool and good shoppers. LOL | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 718 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kitten, If you have not figured it out...We don't give a rats ass about the Math. We all know the work is done, indifferent to what you may think. After all, we may not nothin about books and numbers and stuff but I think a few hundred Ferrari owners can spot a fraud. We don't like being overchaged. Enought said. If you are trying to drum up some work and justify your prices for your shop, fine. But do not do it at the expense of a good guy who works very hard. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2002 |
BTW boyz..now that there's 3 of you can you please itemize all the numbers and make your LA New Math work. We need those numbers guys not this same old tired sales pitch bla bla drove from bla bla...surely between the three of you you can come up with a calculator and some hard numbers. LOL | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2002 |
Is traveling in a packs an LA gang thing? You guys are starting to look like a boiler room gang. You on commision boyz...it's Sat night and you're triple teaming to sell work for a guy you claim doesn't need it and doesn't even have a shop. What's up with this? LOL | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 716 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well said J. I agree he would be sad if he has/had seen this. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 219 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jean: Regardless what JRV "Master Mechanic" says, Eugenio is great! Does all the work himself, no shop, no advertising, no overhead, perfectionist, doesn't need the money. Has a Lambo and two Ferrari's in his garage. All are perfect! I brought my car from Northern California to him because he is who I wanted to have do my work, not the price. If you can get him to service your car, you won't be disappointed. Knowing him just a little, he would be very saddened by this discussion. He is the only fellow that emailed me three weeks after the work to see how everything was going. I trust him and will go to him whenever I have need of a service. I'm sure you know your stuff JRV, but don't assume someone is taking advantage of folks just because they don't feel the need to charge according to your scale. BTW, isn't it interesting that several people on this site have such great things to say about Eugenio? If he were not as good as we say, no doubt he would be blasted on this thread! People don't seem to hold back here at F-Chat. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 715 Registered: 8-2002 |
Eugenio's Ferrari Service is not some fly-by-night shop. There are a few dozen places in LA to get your car serviced. There are only a few places where 98% of the f-car owners take there cars. Ferrari in Woodland Hills, Beverly Hills, Eugenio's Ferrari Service, Blackhorse Motors, and Enzo Motors. I am not sure what it's like in texas but here, Cost it king. Like I said Kitten, Don't slam what you don't know. If Eugenio's Ferrari Service was bad. It would have gotten around by now. Justify your prices to the texas crowd, not to the rest of us. | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hello JRV, You sound so so angry. Tell ya what I'm gonna do...I'm gonna let you have the last say in this matter...that way you can feel an inch or two taller. "Although", at 7:13pm you said you'd list "Hours" and "fluids" etc...... Then, at 7:19pm you had an even better idea and ask me to do it ! And gave me a whole action item list to do as well ! (something about pictures and God knows what ) WOW ! (good thing I've had alot of wine tonight...this is hilarious) oh by the way.....I don't even own a 348 (you can tell by my profile if you'd bother looking) Then I come back to find you mentioning games and math and you can play games too ....wow ! no better yet ... WOW ! (BTW,,,if you're standards are so high why would you change to playing games ? and how is it you know so much about the magic market ?) HASTA ! | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 233 Registered: 11-2002 |
It's just the math sport, get over it. Unless you LA boyz can make 1 + 1 = 1/2 LOL | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 714 Registered: 8-2002 |
BTY Skip, He gives you all the old parts back. Do you? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 713 Registered: 8-2002 |
No junior, it's pretty obvious you'll say anything at this point to justify your position and pricing. Like I said. Don't slam what you don't know. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh no, not that simple sport. You need to get over it, it's pretty obvious you'll say anything at this point to justify your position. We'll let the math do the talking. If the hours and parts don't add up to $1.7 then the work wasn't really done. Which will prove my point that half the price equals half the work or less. I don't want anyone I know buying some shoddily service/repaired used up piece of junk because I'm the one that has to break the bad news day in day out that they were conned, fast talked, swindled. And the reason they now need X is because scammers had done all the work fast and cheap. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 711 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, Get over it. Who cares about the math. If the work is done correctly for a good price. That is all that matters. Math is up to the shop. Owners are the ones that look at the final price, Not how you got to it. M | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 231 Registered: 11-2002 |
No hostility sport..told ya it's simple...the math. So you guys want to make a little game outa the math that's fine, I can play this game. ;-) | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 709 Registered: 8-2002 |
It was a joke JRV. What's with the hostility anyway? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh man...you didn't itemize with prices and hours of operations....that's mean sport. Don't worry though I'll do it for you. <<Car still runs. Nothing has fallen off.<<< Cool..I didn't realize your requirments were so low. That explains a lot. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 708 Registered: 8-2002 |
It may be a PITA to wait 2 - 6 months but it is worth it. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 707 Registered: 8-2002 |
JVR I had my 30K done for 1,700 by Eugenio's Ferrari Service. It included.. 30,000 mile MAJOR SERVICE = $1795.00 (348�s and Mondial t�s are $2465 and F355�s are $2895 due to parts cost, engine removal, etc.) includes the following: - Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch) - Replace Timing Belts and Tensioner Bearings (Bearing cost is extra on 348's and F355's) - Replace Cam Seals and Housing O-Rings (as needed, slight extra charge per seal if it's needed) - Replace Valve Cover Gaskets - Replace Distributor Seals and Housing Gaskets - Replace Distributor Cap Gaskets - Replace Cam End Cover Gaskets - Replace Air Filter - Replace Fuel Filter - Replace A/C Belt - Replace Alternator / Water Pump Belt - Adjust Valves - Torque Cam Journals - Torque Heads - Set Timing - Bleed Brake Lines - Change Oil and new Filter - Change Transaxle Gear Fluid - Replace entire Coolant - Inspection/Service of Air Conditioning System (recharge extra on 308�s but included on 348�s/F355�s ) - Inspect all Lines (fuel, oil, water) and replace if necessary - Check of Lambda System and Bosch Fuel Injection System (make adjustments if necessary) - Clean Engine Compartment - Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks - Inspect CV Boots - Inspect Fuse Panel - Inspect Tires / Tire pressure Car still runs. Nothing has fallen off. Just because you don't believe it does not mean it doesn't exist. There is no magic involved. Just good service at a good price. I don;t think you can slam someone when you have never seen their work of for that matter, heard of them. Us So cal's that have had him do the work swear by him. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 229 Registered: 11-2002 |
Heck...in the meantime, lets make this fun peter .... go ahead and itemize 'exactly' what one gets for a 30K Major on a 348 series car for $2.5K 'if your liked by whoever of course'. Then can you post pics of these cars that had some of this magic, I have this sinking feeling they'll be heading east as very used cars, and the heads up would be nice. ;-) | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 228 Registered: 11-2002 |
Just for you peter since you want to play games I'm going to make the complete list of Hours and Operations and Parts and Fluids....then you can tell us which items you get for free or were done with low overhead magic. Or maybe just get screwed out of ? ;-) Hokey Dokey sport. | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wow, looks like JRV quoted 45 hours in his second thread....... Then, quoted 55 hours in his third thread.... If this keeps going... it'll be up to 75 hours by his fifth thread...... LMAO ! I guess this is why it costs a fortune. No wonder I'm leary "of some shops". (some Mr. JRV...not yours, so don't take it personal) Thanks for the math lesson.....Just did the math, and saw the writing on the wall ... gotta go see David Copperfield now. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 212 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm not refering to anyone. Don't know them and probably never will. But I do know 'half price Ferrari service' stories and exactly what they're all about. You guys don't have a corner on the magic market, it's everywhere and has been around for eons. If you and your friends want to believe in magic, that's your right. However, instead of confronting me with your insistance magic exists, why didn't you prove me wrong with math? This is not personal or about personalities with me...for me it's only about reality. And the reality of the Math says it can't be done Fully & Properly for $2.5-$3K...so if you want to argue...argue with the math. And the basic math goes like this 55 Hrs + Parts & Fluids... now I know ways some could cheat those numbers....do you? | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 217 Registered: 1-2002 |
JRV: If you are referring to Eugenio, you are off base. He does the work because he has a passion for it. He is a Mechanical Engineer in his day job, works on Ferrari's only if he feels good about the owner. I wouldn't trust anyone as much as I trust him with my car. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 208 Registered: 11-2002 |
Peter, Do the math..simple as that. A 30K service performed properly on a 348 series is min 45 hrs labor...22 just to R&R the engine...and that doesn't include several factory TSB's that should be performed while the engine is out. So go blow smoke up somebodie else's behind...I know how the half price game is played. Inly half or less of the work is done!! I'm not saying paying full price guaruntees all the real work will be performed, but paying half price guaruntees you don't get all the work done. Like I said, you want magic go watch David Copperfield sport ! | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV : I learned in Business 101 that different businesses have different operating expenses....maybe that's why prices vary from shop to shop. Maybe ya think ??? Personally, I feel the better businessmen are the one's who keep their costs low. Ya think ?? People who believe, or are made to believe that "IF you pay more you're getting more" have a different gig than me. (that's my opinion anyway) Lastly, there's a difference between paying what is right and simply "Over Paying".  | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Junior Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2002 |
Now I've heard it all 40%-50% Discounts on real Ferrari Service. HaHaHa.... The way that game works is only 40%-50% of all the real work that's 'supposed to be done', gets done. NOBODY worth a hoot gives away their work !!! If you want magic go to Vegas and watch David Copperfield make a 747 disappear!! Otherwise the trick is going to be on you. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 216 Registered: 1-2002 |
Don't give up on Eugenio! He is the best. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2002 |
thanks 89 tcab I actually called them up on Tuesday and they quoted me $5000.00 for the standard 30,000 mile major service. Everyone other then Eugenio (could not get a hold of) quoted the same. Is this a pact that all mechanics in Los Angeles and Orange county have come up with? Dealer quoted between $6500 and $7500. Should I say something special to any of these mechanics to get them to give me a non-standard price? | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 328 Registered: 9-2001 |
Find my paperwork, the 30k service was approx $2500. Total including other work was under $3k. - JMG | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2002 |
My last 2 Ferrari's were both serviced by Eugenio's Ferrari Service. Highly recommended (if you can get in). He seems to be the most meticulous and detailed oriented and focused (since he only works on 1 car at a time). (I waited 6 months for an appointment.) I know quite a few folks down in the LA area and have heard pro's and con's (about all the others) my 2 cents anyway.... P.T. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1180 Registered: 4-2002 |
HE JUST LOST HIS BEST TECH GUY..FRANK..HE MOVED  | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1905 Registered: 9-2001 |
I think so they just sent me some flyer. If I move out by you -house in on the market, i will prob go to wil | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1176 Registered: 4-2002 |
tom is that about 10-15% at wwoc?? bruce | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1903 Registered: 9-2001 |
5 k sounds high to me. I would think 3-4 at a dealership during a slow period. We get winter discounts at the dealerships here in the NE | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 327 Registered: 9-2001 |
Really has more to do with what needs to be done as opposed to a simple flat rate. I know some owners that tend toward "fix it later if it is not totally broken now" and others that are more of the "fix it if it looks like it will need to be done later". I am in the latter category, thus my bills tend to run a little higher as I have "other" stuff taken care of at the same time. As Coop mentioned, ask for Carl and he can tell you what they typically do in a 30k and what their shop rates are. My paperwork is in the middle of a home office re-org so i can't dig it out to give you the complete lowdown on service. If I find it tomorrow, I will let you know the cost and what was done. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2002 |
89 tcab or others that have had a major service. Is $5,000.00 the going rate or is that negotiable. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thanks for all of your help | ||
| Coop (360)
New member Username: 360 Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2002 |
BLACKHORSE MOTORS 310.815_1957 1701 S. La Cienega Bl, X=Airdrome St.Just north of the 10 Fwy. They just moved into their new facility. Ask for Carl, he'll take care of you. | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 326 Registered: 9-2001 |
Try Blackhorse Motors...they did the 30k on my 89 and a lot fo the work for Symbolic. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2002 |
I bought the car with a little over 5050 miles on it and it now has 6400 I have owned it a little over 4 months | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2002 |
Nice looking car! I put a picture of my car on my profile if you want to take a look. Where do you have your car serviced? | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
New member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rosso corsa. Now in terms of that oil leak, from what I hear about these cars, if it doesn't leak just a little bit somewhere, it's not a ferrari! haha... well, all kidding aside.... I hear you on the dealer situation. The major service is a big one - full engine-out. How many miles does your car have? Follow the link I provided (it was someone else's post) It does point the way to a couple of good mechanics. I believe the closest one to you might be Eugenios: http://emelbon.tripod.com/eugeniosferrariservice.html ... Btw... if you click on my profile, I have a picture of my car there... | ||
| Jean-Louis Michel (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
the 348 is a 94 Spider dark blue / Light grey. I have a small oil leak and since the belts have never been changed I want to do the major service. I just do not wnat to take oit to the dealer. What color is your 348? | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
New member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2002 |
Congratulations! I just bought a 348 as well! What color is yours... any pictures? Here is recent post that has some good recommendations. http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/173559.html?1038185808 | ||
| Jean-Louis Michel (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2002 |
I recently purchased a 348 Spider and am new to the Ferrari Family. Can anyone reccomend a mechanic in the Los Angeles area? I am planning on doing a major service. Thank You |