| Author | Message | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2266 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bret, You just said it all. | ||
| STEVE (Vpr_kilr)
New member Username: Vpr_kilr Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2002 |
Well......off the gun topic.... I am the guy in the Supra....funny how words spread fast on the internet. I have to say Mark you were VERY polite. But what I said was if you "wanted to see how fast that thing is" =) and I have the dyno sheets to prove the power. I will soon be at 650 WHP...800 crank I will say......there is NOTHING like seeing a ferrari on the road.....and having the owner be one of the nicest people..... and my car is NOTHING like the fast and furious car....other than the 19's =) also.....a couple of vipers and various other high end sports cars are gonna do some LEGAL 1/4 at Sacramento on 5-4-2002 if any of you ferrari guys are interested... VPR KILR | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 123 Registered: 12-2001 |
Yeh, I guess thats true. I wont deny that. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2151 Registered: 2-2001 |
Don't worry guys, when someone declares war we wont let them walk through Canada, we'll protect you as we always have.  I had to say it in defense of good ole USA. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 121 Registered: 12-2001 |
Thanks for the detailed explanation andrew but it is these wacked out small armys in the woods fighting for some cause that we dont understand that seem like normal citizens. They slip through the flimsy requirements the gov. sets up because they have day jobs, family lives and getting a gun is so easy through proper channels. If I wanted a hand gun, forget it. Wouldnt happen without so much red tape and time that I would have to obtain one on the street. The next problem would be if I was ever caught with a hand gun, I might as well turn it on myself for the amount of time I would have to reflect about it as buba's girl friend. Yes fred, I know the population is larger, blah blah blah. I also know that the deaths involving a gun arent proportional as you imply with your other examples. How many kids and wives or husbands could have been spared if guns werent kept under the pillow? Not to mention tourists in rental cars having a vacation getting their heads blown off. Doesnt happen in Canada. Sorry, Maybe 3 times in my lifetime. I know we are off topic, Ill try to drop it now. | ||
| Andrew (Enzo250gto)
New member Username: Enzo250gto Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ok lets look at the 2nd amendment which has been spoke of but not referenced properly. It reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" When reading this it is easy to understand where the NRA and others get this idea that everyone should have guns. The first clause states not the right to have guns. Before I get ahead of myself all these amendments are limits to government power. Now to continue a more correct reading of this as well as the dairies and Fed papers people would realize the framers intentions were to allow STATES to FORM A ARMY so as to protect itself from the FED GOV. Remember this is a government where states also have control that the national government does not, and the national government might try to take this by force which is bad hence "NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE." Now lets say they left out the 2nd clause about bearing arms. Now tell me if they said ok you can form an army sure no problem oh but by the way you can use guns, how effect of an amendment would this be? and how many states would have ratiffied it? Because the Court has allowed for an loose interpretation of this and our system is based on precedent people are allowed to carry guns. However, in my opinion after reading the works of Federalist I would argue that the 2nd amendment is more for the right of citizens to collective form a milita to fight "big brother" if there ever was a need. This was not intended to allow people to walk down the streets with guns or assult rifles in the car. Reason being one guy with a AK in his trunk isn't going to stop the ARMY of the FED government, it will take the State's national guard. OH I almost forgot. One of the key words in this is "WELL REGULATED" meaning it cannot be some crazy people in some back woods calling themselves a army but has to be the general concent of the whole state. Sorry for all the typing errors to lazy to fix. | ||
| Andrew (Enzo250gto)
New member Username: Enzo250gto Post Number: 28 Registered: 2-2002 |
Opps it posted twice, delete this one, see above. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 406 Registered: 2-2001 |
The population of the United States is around 270 million. The population of Canada is around 30 million which is about the same as California. Yes there is more crime. There are also more car accidents, more house fires, more failed marriges. There are also more churches, more schools more hospitals. You can say that you are going by percent and that is fine but when you have 270 million people from all over the world and compleatly different back grounds it changes the dynamics of everything. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 120 Registered: 12-2001 |
Wow! I figured I get blasted from every direction by now. Maybe the calm before the storm. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2001 |
Good job Paul... you didn't piss anyone off,.. but the people that own guns. ;-) I wouldn't be worried about those people. LOL I know three guys that own guns. All are young sales guys...I don't know why? Seems like a cocky macho thing to do. I always wanted to see some research on IQ and gun ownership in the USA? I wonder if there are any patterns? Do smarter people own more guns or less guns? | ||
| Ryan M. Kehoe (Ryanab)
New member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2002 |
Fellow Canadian? Well said! | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 119 Registered: 12-2001 |
I would like to make a comment regarding ernesto's quote without meaning to insult anyone. "where I go, my glock goes". Not knowing very much about the US and crime other than what I see on tv and read, I cant help but think they have more problems than Canada with violence. Would you (ernesto) rather not have to feel the need to bear arms? I would rather live somewhere where I dont feel I have to shoot someone at any given time and rely on a firearm to live my life. If guns dissapeared tommorow I think the world would be better off and I think the US shot themselves in the foot with right to bear arms. Im sure its causing more problems than solutions. I dont own a gun and have never had the need to carry one when out in public. Like I said, this isnt meant to piss anyone off, just an observation. I ask mself, what kind of life is this if I have to be worried about being killed by a gun toting fool driving down the highway after I pissed them off. If that doesnt seem pretty screwed up then I dont know what is. If anything, that sort of mentality will always stop me from wanting to live in the states. I can make more money in the US but at what cost? I dont want to buy a gun to feel safe. I feel better now that I said that. Sorry if I pissed anyone off. Paul. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2136 Registered: 2-2001 |
It wasn't really too wild, but today I went to Ferrari of New England and they were pulling a black 348 out of the service area. They backed it out onto the street and then the guy revved it up, chirped the tires and took off, he wound it all the way up and then chirped them again going into 2nd. Sounded like it had a tubi on it, nice. BTW, Ferrari of New England is like a shed compared to Wide World of Cars. I guess they run their Challenge cars out of Long Island apparently. The showroom was like the size of my dorm room and the sales guys were the usual I don't care to talk to you unless you're gonna come over here and grovel. BUT the mechanics were pretty cool as hell. I talked the service manager and he gave me a lot of info, cool guy. They had a silver 360 that they were putting a Hamann body kit on, LOL. The service manager just shook his head when I pointed it out and asked about it. LOL. I guess to each his own. | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 125 Registered: 11-2001 |
Getting back to the Fast and Furious encounters... I had one yesterday that was actually quite pleasant. A guy asked me a few questions about my car at a light and then followed me for a little while in his '99 M3. He pulled up next to me on a long stretch of road and revved a little. We both punched it and we were pretty much even but I was in 4th instead of 3rd. He was in 3rd and winding it out. We stopped at about 100mph. These encounters generally seem to be more pleasant with BMW owners than with Honda owners. | ||
| Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member Username: Hmott3 Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2001 |
Um could someone kindly point me to the supra dyno video, I can't seem to find it. Maybe it was lost along with the original topic? Oh, nevermind I found it. Thanks guys | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 292 Registered: 2-2001 |
Where I go, my Glock goes. You can regulate guns all you want, fact it that the criminals will ALWAYS get their hands on guns. The people who lose when the gov't overregulates guns are the innocent civilians who can't protect themselves. Ernesto | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 134 Registered: 2-2002 |
What a great debate! I'll agree to disagree. (Thanks for picking up my side Art!). Wouldn't life be boring if everyone had the same opinion..... BTW: Bret - stop teasing me. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2114 Registered: 2-2001 |
They always do get off topic when someone chimes in to start off the debate, eh em Manu. . Seriously though, I'm glad we all get along here and now keep this debates relatively mature. This post is actually a prime example of why we have these deep issues aroused by the government, basically so we can keep fighting as a people about guns, drugs, race, money, etc and they in the meantime can fleece us with taxes. You have to keep the sheep occupied, which our gov't does quite nicely. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 625 Registered: 6-2001 |
In certain parts of the country they have alcohol/fireworks stores, should those be outlawed? IMO, no(those seem so cool, even though when the two products are mixed its a recipe for problems)i knnow that was a little off topic. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 467 Registered: 9-2001 |
thank god we don't put many things to popular vote! we would be in trouble | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 343 Registered: 6-2001 |
Frank: We did outlaw drinking, didn't we? Here in California we have a .08% limit, which I believe is almost sober when driving. I remember when the limit was .15% back in the 60s and early 70s. Effectively we have outlawed DUI. As to the other areas, bathtubs etc. those items aren't defective and they are being used for the purpose intended, and we as a society have decided that the risk is justified, given the benefit. On the issue of guns however, I'm am sure that our society as a whole would restrict gun ownership if it were put to a popular vote. Following your argument to the logical conclusion, we could outlaw life because it ultimately leads to dead. Obviously a ridiculous concept. Gun regulation to make sure that only those who are competent, sane, not criminals, etc. is a competent response to a problem. We do license automobile drivers don't we? Best regards, Art | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2001 |
I was going to respond but it seems like Frank has the ball just fine. Run Frank Run. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 755 Registered: 9-2001 |
Arthur, with that logic one could argue to outlaw cars and any other device which could be missused. In fact, since more people are killed by DUI drivers per week in the U.S.A. than guns in a year, maybe we should ban alcohol and cars to everyone except the government and its employees. After all, the government knows best. Or how about those deadly bathtubs. More elderly people die in bathtub accidents than are killed by guns. So maybe the all knowing government should require than once you're over 50 you get sponge baths only. No risky tubs or showers for the old folks. The government almost never knows best and fails at everything it attempts except war. So why would you want them to deny us our guns ! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 466 Registered: 9-2001 |
looks like we got two lawyers started, this should be a great debate | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 342 Registered: 6-2001 |
Frank: I'm in favor of gun control because of the grief they cause. I'm sure there is an argument that people cause the problem, however, since there are people who will irresponsibily use guns, we should control who owns them. Simple bit of logic, there are people who will misuse a weapon, and if we don't control access to the weapons, we will sustain people killed or injuried because the people who shouldn't have them get access to the guns. To see it any differently means that you are avoiding looking at the totality of the circumstances. An example, you are a Plaintiff's lawyer as I am. I'm sure that you have had product liability cases where a product was used for something other than what it was originally designed to do, but the useage was forseeable. In those instances, the manufacturer was held liabile because the product was defective because the secondary use was forseeable, and the product was defective and caused injury when used for that specific useage. Same deal with guns: improper useage is forseeable, and can be avoided with current technology such as locks, etc., but the manufacturers have enough clout to get legislation exempting them from the law which everyone else has to comply with. I think that long term we have little alternative but to regulate gun useage or ownership. Just the examples shown on this threat indicate that we would be better off without guns in the society. Art | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 624 Registered: 6-2001 |
Even if no criminals had guns they still would have knives or somethig and i dont know how to fight with a knife. I guess that means i'd want a gun. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 606 Registered: 8-2001 |
Boy, is this getting off-topic or what?!! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 754 Registered: 9-2001 |
Arthur, gun control means hitting your target. I'm surprized that someone who has been trained in the law would not recognize the wisdom of the second amendment and the peoples right to bear arms. I am opposed to even requiring gun registration. It's just a slippery slope from there to taking away our guns entirely. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 200 Registered: 12-2001 |
Manu, I've got to go along with Frank on this one. If NO criminals had guns, I would still want mine. They are the last line of defense to throw off a government should it become tyrannical. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 465 Registered: 9-2001 |
this could go for the record. Isn't the USA great! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 341 Registered: 6-2001 |
Manu: You're right there is no need for US citizens to have guns. We have a ballot to change the government if and when they act in contravention to our rights. Given the current state of anger with a lot of Americans, it is no wonder that our crime rate is high. A lot of our politicans have used the ploy of anger to attempt to push their own agenda, with the end result that the conservates believe that they have a god given right to bear arms, although the amendment in our constitution reads that the right to bear arms only relates to the maintenance of militias, not for personal use. Given that some 200+ years have elapsed since the constitution and the bill of rights were enacted, and that American society has undergone very large changes, it is certainly time for Americans to consider what makes sense for our society now. The conservaties here believe that their small arms will in some manner cause the government to behave should look long and hard about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians with their advanced weaponary vs. small arms: no contest. At any rate the more weapons around, the more trouble we have. The argument about only criminals will have weapons begs the elimination of the availability of weapons to the next generation of criminials when guns become less available and is indicative of the short sightedness of those opposing gun control. Art | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 181 Registered: 12-2001 |
So, after some fruitful debate on gun control and the constitution, we come back to my point: namely, watch who you're fucking with on the roads, 'cause you never know; they (alot of you, too, based on the postings) are well-armed and know where you live. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 752 Registered: 9-2001 |
Manu, the only reason that the UK now elects is leaders is because it was such a success here in the U.S.A.. Had we lost the Revolutionary War, the UK as well as most other european nations would still have a monarchy rather than some type of quasi-democracy-republic. And, if every criminal in the world were eliminated, I would still want my guns as long as the government had them. In fact, I feel safer with criminals having guns than I do with the government having guns. A criminal is what he is, while the government pretends to be your friend by replacing freedom with security, yet does away with even that once it gets your freedom . That what you guys in the UK have already allowed to happen. Your government took your guns so you could feel secure that less criminals would have them. In exchange, you have lost your freedom to have guns yet the criminal and the government still have theirs. Do you now feel more secure ? | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 133 Registered: 2-2002 |
Frank, In the UK we elect our Prime Minister as I'm sure you know.....The Queen holds no consititutional power which I'm sure you also know - I know that you were being deliberately provocative but some of what you said could have been interpreted a really offensive mate I love the States guys - BUT this is NOT a nationalistic issue. Everyone vented forth with serious venom to crush my point of view BUT NOBODY ANSWERED MY QUESTION; no matter how unrealistic this assumption is, I would like your answers; Asume that only 5% of criminals own firearms - do you still feel the need to own one also? Lets keep this above board guys - no hard feelings I hope - I'm not attacking a nation I myself love so much | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
New member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2001 |
Mark, That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that situation. Its probably an equally remote possibility but I'll take my chances. On a side note: the GS400 is an amazing car. I just got it a month or two ago and its truely impressive. This one is Spectra Mica Blue and looks fantastic. It also really moves. Its got Porsche Boxster S performance in a 4 door sedan. Anybody who wants a solid daily driver should consider it. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 197 Registered: 12-2001 |
Well said Frank. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 206 Registered: 10-2001 |
AK-47 cool I like guns as well as cars.. But, I'm glad I'm not police or fire fighter in North Florida. If you ever get hit from behind and there is a fire... what will 300 rounds do? That's why the big trucks have to post signs on the trailer when they carry dangerious loads. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
New member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2001 |
My AK-47 is the legal without a special permit, semi-auto variety. It�s not a fully automatic rifle. Having 10 full magazines of ammo at the ready pretty much assures me that I can engage multiple assailants if need be. It�s a matter of spending a few hundred bucks to be prepared for what I know is a highly unlikely, worst-case scenario. I�ve seen photos of some of the most wanted terror suspects wearing Daytona Beach t-shirts. That�s not all that far from me. If anybody ever did try to commit a violent crime near me they would never guess I�d be armed. I look like the average yuppy. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 750 Registered: 9-2001 |
Without armed citizens we would be bowing to a Queen rather than electing our leaders. It's funny how all these Europeans are so anti gun but yet they immigrate here by the millions. And when a tryant wants to take over their country, who do they call ? Armed citizens are what made this nation great and will keep it free in the future. Without citizens owning guns only the government and criminals(basically the same group) will own guns. Our founding fathers realized that and had the wisdom to create the 2nd Amendment to protect our right to own a gun. It's the breakdown of morality in our society that is responsible for senseless murders in our nation, not guns. God, Guns and Guts make the U.S.A. a great place to call home. It will surely fall if any one of the three are deleted. | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2001 |
You can carry whatever you want in your vehicle, loaded or unloaded, as long as it's a firearm that is legal to own in general (no silencer or full auto, etc.) and NOT WITHIN REACH. Locked in the trunk is fine. If a firearm is within reach it is considered a "concealed weapon" and requires a concealed firearm permit if you can get one where you are. I don't think that you can "take guns out of the picture" Manu. I guarantee that a motivated lunatic like the one you were talking about could still get a gun and do the same thing where you are. Even worse he could go to the hardware store and get materials for a bomb like the one used in Kansas City here in the US. You are right in a way that crime in the US is related to our culture. It isn't the "gun" culture though. Take away the guns and you would still have the culture. As recently as the 1960s in the US high school students would take their guns to school for school sponsored markmanship classes, skeet shooting, hunting, etc. Guns are a valuable part of our culture. Violence is not, and that is what has changed about our culture. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 131 Registered: 2-2002 |
Woah woah woah..... In the US it is clear that 'gun culture' is SOO embedded into the mainstream and criminal mentality that you guys can justify ownership on the grounds of needing a firearm to defend yourselves - let me ask you guys one question... If only 5% of criminals were shown (statistically) to carry firearms would you still want them to defends yourselves....? In the UK it is different.... Dunblane, Nr. Scotland - some years back - a lunatic with a legally owned handgun runs into a school and shoots 11 children dead - NO MORE GUNS - AND THAT IS THAT. We didn't care about any rights or anything of the like - we want to minimise the chances of it happening again and we have done. All you guys think you are reasonable and probably entitled to owning a firearm BUT as in my example before - if you HAVE a gun, you can USE a gun - a person who is 99.9% reasonable, 99.9% of the time, in possession of a gun could end up killing someone who just 'pisses' him off one day. I'm talking about people like ME - LIKE YOU GUYS. Take guns out of the picture and there's not a threat like that. I mean SERIOUSLY - Tyler my friend - do you really feel it is necessary to own a Colt Carbine to defend your house with???? Bloody hell..... | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2205 Registered: 2-2001 |
Tyler, Now don't get me wrong. I believe in having a legal firearm and I believe in the right for Americans having the right to protect themselves and their families. What I don't get is what jurisdiction says you can carry this weapon with no permit. I feel sure that if for some reason there was a search of his vehicle by authorities for whatever reason there would be question as to why a assualt weapon and why he was carrying 300 rounds of ammo. It just ain't that legal I don't think. | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Junior Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 121 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dino I couldnt have said it better myself! Love it or leave it is my feeling all the time when I hear people complaining about this country. But you know what. They are complaining because in this country they are free to complain and voice their opinion! Lets see them try that in China or the Middle East some where. They'd lose a arm or something or disappear. What makes america so great is what happened on this board people have different opinions, talk about them, then are free to go and buy a gun if they want or protest gun sales without any government interference. Enough of my political stance....what do you guys think a twin-turbo 348 would run (or should I say how hard would it be to drive)....I have been trying to talk Walter Koenig into letting me import his TT kit for my 348 instead of buying my TT upgrade from Lingenfelter for the C5 Vette I have on order. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
New member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2002 |
From Street Racing to Hitler... this is why I like Ferrari Chat. | ||
| Dino Micalizio (Ingenere)
New member Username: Ingenere Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2001 |
WOW!! I thought this thread was about fast car encounters....it seems guns have gotten into the picture. Well here's my 2 cents. My gun has saved my butt from being robbed and/or jacked several times while using Ferrari's. I've never had to shoot....I've drawn and been ready to take the dirt bags out....but I've never had to. The fact that I was armed probably saved my life and my cars. Guns don't kill people...people kill people.....some of them deserve to go too! This country was founded on freedom. If you don't like it here.....try Moscow....oops! Their plan didn't quite work did it!! Less Government....MORE FREEDOM....Forza Ferrari!! | ||
| Dino Micalizio (Ingenere)
New member Username: Ingenere Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2001 |
WOW!! It seems like there is ALOT of harrassment (or should I say jealously out there!)! I've been driving Ferraris for 15 years now....and it just seems to go with the territory. Most everyone I just ignore and they go away...but every so often you just have to have a go. My 348 is fairly well set up and usually pisses off the Viper and Vette children when they get outbraked and out handled at the track. When I had my F40....it would routinely embarass sport bikes....but those guys were mostly cool about it....amazed...but cool!! Forza Ferrari!! | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 195 Registered: 12-2001 |
It's perfectly legal to own an assualt weapon. The day it becomes illegal is the day I become an Expat. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2200 Registered: 2-2001 |
Nunja, I like your profession, Stuntman for adult films. I guess you get to finish up where some guy leaves off, or if he can't rise to the occasion they put you"IN." An Ak-47 is considered an assualt weapon. What jurisdiction gives you the OK to carry that weapon. Forget the permit, that's another question. Just curious? | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
New member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2001 |
I keep an AK-47 and 300 rounds in the trunk of my Lexus. I've checked local, state and federal laws and am in compliance with all of them. I work in a bad area and just want to be prepared if anybody tries anything. When I get my 360 I'll probably get a permit and keep one in it also. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
New member Username: Davem Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2002 |
The debate about gun ownership is a little late. Everyone agree's the USA has more gun's floating around than anywhere else. We could outlaw them tomorrow an anyone who wanted to could buy one still, not that its going to happen. | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2001 |
Screw the cupholders, I want a Connolly holster for my H&K P7M13 built into my Ferrari. | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Junior Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2002 |
MY 2 Cents. My Ruger P90DC goes with me everywhere. i even have the rounds rotated from hydroshock to regular rounds. That way if they get behind a piece of wood or say a door of a car, the round top round is coming through. Wife gave me permission when we had a gun pointed at us. hey it's new orleans | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2194 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ryan, What do you mean, Too bad for our country and it must have been our constitution? Can you make that a little more clear? | ||
| Ryan M. Kehoe (Ryanab)
New member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2002 |
Not too much you can do about your Country now. Too bad, must have been that constitution or something.... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 621 Registered: 6-2001 |
Skid schools sound fun, but i already go to those. Its called the local parking lot when it rains... | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 375 Registered: 12-2001 |
seems I always thought driving was a priviledge not a right but look at AARP for the elderly - if you ever say something about those 80 yr olds that can't drive - this big lobby group goes to town. Those kids with more money than brains thanks to parents that try to compensate for not being there. Hey - if you really loved your kids so much - send to a skid school/defensive driving course! If you build safer cars - build SAFER DRIVERS!!!! | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 178 Registered: 12-2001 |
Sorry i started this, but, in my humble view, we should outlaw automobiles (4,000lbs of moving steel, being guided amongst members of the public, large and small, by a person who could be intoxicated, crazed with anger, psychotic, blind, or just plain mean). We should only make them available to people who have proved to be responsible, have gradations in licensing (no high speed lane for you bud, you get a "yellow" window sticker, cause yer just too slow, test old people more frequently (they are cute, but deadly) and if somebody DWI's, put 'em in prison. Any takers? | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Junior Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 78 Registered: 3-2002 |
The problem today isn't so much the legality of guns, but rather, as alluded to before, that because of the amount of guns in our country, we have a gun mentality. Perpetuation of the wild west attitude, along with people not raising their children. Like most of the parriahs that permeate our culture, guns are glamorized, made to seem almost sexy. I don't know whether or not the crime rate is rising in GB, or whether or not it's attributable to guns. But I do know that the USA seems to be the only country that has an epidemic of kids shooting kids. I know, guns don't kill, people kill. But while most gun owners are responsible, there are those who are too immature to handle most of the liberties they receive by living in this country. Just look at all the stories people have listed here about bozos they encounter on the road. Funny how many people out there feel it's their "right" to drive. Eh, that's enough... | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 116 Registered: 11-2001 |
I hesitate to get involved in this conversation because it's something I have done a great deal of research and statistical analysis on. Some of you (for example Allyn) are giving us pure examples of errors of logic. Whenever we discuss firearms so much of the specious reasoning that has been thrown around by those who wish to take our rights away is just repeated without any data to back it up. If you look at the data there is no known example of any increase in firearms regulation causing any decrease in crime. The opposite is true in most cases. It truly does make only criminals able to possess firearms. If you were going to rob someone's house or business would you rather do it in a city like DC which outlaws firearms completely or the next town that allows firearms ownership? Just look at DC's crime rate. There are no guns in DC since they are outlawed right? It's much like people's fear of flying. The informed person realizes that it is incredibly safer than driving. You rarely see car accidents on the news, but you will see every plane crash. Not because they happen more often, but because it is so infrequent that it IS news. Legal firearms ownership prevents countless crimes without the owner even knowing and just the brandishing of a firearm saves countless lives every day. You don't see this on the news because it is boring to hear that 80 year old Mrs. Jones was nearly robbed today in her home when she pulled out her revolver from the nightstand and scared off an intruder. Crack cocaine, cocaine, and heroin are quite illegal in this country yet anyone here could probably purchase some within an hour if they really wanted to, no matter what city you're in. Do you really think outlawing firearms would stop them? We're talking about a technology that is hundreds of years old but we think we could stop it if we outlawed it? That's just ridiculous. Nearly as ridiculous as thinking we should in the first place. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 618 Registered: 6-2001 |
Amen Bret. The fact of the matter is if you choose not to own a gun the guy robbing your house wont care. Outlawing guns wont keep them out of the hands of criminals. It will just make an even bigger black market for guns, which will benefit other criminals. I'll admit that guns arent the best of inventions (although they are used for hunting and such) i still want the option of owning one because it is my constitutional right. Lets just say the government becomes overweeing and out of control. (dont say it will never happen)What are you going to use to overthrow it and gain your freedom? words? doubtful. Manu, if someone cuts u off and u can get out a gun and manage to actually hit with a handgun him after hes probably put a good distance bewteen u and him then u should have a gun because u are obviously pretty good with it | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
Junior Member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2002 |
Right on Bret, you know your history. I believe,If you have a gun, tell nobody. If you pull out your gun, shoot to kill. It is the day after Easter, thus, I will now quote Jesus. He said, "Be as wise as a snake, but as gentle as doves." " Do you have a sword (gun)? If not, sell your cloke (coat) and buy one." "We have two," they said. "That is enough," He said. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2001 |
America has more guns per capita than any country in the world. America has more shooting deaths per capita than any country in the world. Gee, must be just a coincidence. I sure feel safer with all my stupid neighbors armed to the teeth. The government sure makes sure gun owners take classes and pass tests on gun safety just like drivers have to pass a driving test. Oh....that would violate the Constitution....sorry!! | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2091 Registered: 2-2001 |
We have this debate anytime anyone uses the G word. 1) If you outlaw guns only criminals will have them, if you don't think so you are naive. 2)It is incredibly easy to make a gun from nearly anything you find around a steel shop (are you gonna ban plumbing, steel works, carpentry, etc etc too?) 3)Yes, thank God the UK outlawed guns so now you have a rising crime rate and for the first time in like 200 years your police are deciding to begin carrying firearms, it obviously helped. I forget that not all of us here belive in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I don't care if I agree with them or not, I'll always fight to keep your rights. I can't remember it word for word (if anyone wants to I can look it up) but here's a great quote: "For the first time in the history of the civilized world we have full gun registration. We will lead the world into the new era of lower crime and greater safety." -- Adolf Hitler 1935 | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 272 Registered: 10-2001 |
David don't be fooled. There are plenty of guns here in Canada. A friend of mine just got car jacked around the corner from my house. Two young punks pointed a gun into the Lexus SUV and told him to get out, he did and wasn't hurt but still. They got the truck back a few hours later, they just wanted a test drive I guess. We also have lots of fast Supras in Canada and Civics! I used to do the 1/4 mile before I got the Ferrari and I've had the pleasure of seeing a Civic do a 10.9! Supras were running low 11's all day. It is amazing what you can do with some money and alot of free time. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2001 |
My wife will not allow a gun in our house. And I'm fine with that, as long as she lets me have other toys to play with, IE Ferrari... Guns, like other things when used responsibly are just fine. We could take a lesson from our friends in Canada. And as far as Supra's go, I have seen a couple very wicked cars. | ||
| Mark Freeman (Mrpc12)
New member Username: Mrpc12 Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Example - you're on the road and someone cuts you up and gives you the finger" I don't know about you but if someone cuts off my finger I'm gonna shoot em! LOL | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 130 Registered: 2-2002 |
Guns are used for wounding and killing people - period - why would you want to make such a thing EASIER to obtain - legally or not??? Example - you're on the road and someone cuts you up and gives you the finger - you have a gun in your car, legally registered - typically you are a calm person - but today, maybe your wife left you, or you had a bad day at work or you've got piles - whatever - you get out, you snap and you shoot the guy...... As for defending yourself - well I suppose if you hang around drug dealers etc, you might need one. (AT LEAST IN THE UK). Gun use breeds gun use. If a criminal was unlikely to have a gun you probably wouldn't feel the need to have one to defend yourself with one. Unfortunately for you guys in US - everyone appears to have a gun - necessitating for gun ownership....a vicious circle that is bullshit. My solution - get rid of ALL of them - from legally owned to a mega crackdown on criminals.. IMO the legal ownership of handguns is a false freedom. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 614 Registered: 6-2001 |
Manu, i cant beleive they outlawed handguns in the UK. Although it will probably save some lives, most of the guns that criminals have probably arent registered anyway so outlawing them wont stop them. Here in the good old USA we have things outlawing the outlawing of guns, although we cant have assault rifles to defend our houses with. I still am not going to buy a gun, its just good to know i could walk into a K mart and walk out 10 minutes later with a gun(in 2 months). | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
New member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2001 |
Ernesto. Thanks for the info. I apparently am totally out of it with respect to the Supras. What years are you talking about? Sounds like a hot rodders dream car. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 175 Registered: 12-2001 |
Manu: No, this was in about 1982 or so, driving my then wife's VW rabbit convertible (I don't think they called them cabrios back then). Ironically, after i heard the discharges (which i thought were backfires until my then wife said, "oh ••••, he's got a gun"), i ran flat out in the vw for miles, hoping a state cop would pull me over. No such luck. Moral is, watch out who you fool with, they may be crazier than you think. Generally: i think those who plod in the left lane should be shot. Forcing drivers to change lanes to get around them creates more risks for everybody. Usually, these plodders are oblivious, will ignore a headlight flash, and just keep on truckin' while everybody and their grandmother swings around to pass them. As a student of traffic patterns, i am almost aways correct in assuming that a slowdown on a multi-lane road is the result of one of these turkeys, who i refer to as "Magoos" (with all due respect to our friend on this board with that handle). Remember Mr. Magoo: blind, oblivious, but just keeps bumbling along? | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
Junior Member Username: Supraoz Post Number: 65 Registered: 9-2001 |
If slow drivers would actually use the right lane, we wouldn't have to be building new roads. James, i went to the recent meet in Texas. Had a great time! There were a few guys putting down power like Ernesto has. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 334 Registered: 6-2001 |
Richard: As someone who hates to drive less than 20 over the limit, I suggest you use the slow lane as much as possible. It is one way to avoid getting tickets. The police generally look to the fast lane for speeders, not the slow lane. Weaving through traffic is also a give-away. Most people don't like the slow lane, and you can usually get where you're going faster there. Art | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2087 Registered: 2-2001 |
Damn Pcar owners. | ||
| Richard Stephens (Dino2400)
New member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm all for careful driving and such, I just wish people would stop driving in the left lane at only like 10mph over the speed limit. They refuse to pull over to let me by and/or speed up when I go one lane to the right to pass so I can't slip in front of them. Mostly these jokers are guys in "fast looking" cars. Lots of Porsches for some reason. I also see lots and lots of "fast" cars cruising in the slow lane - why buy the car if you aren't going to drive any faster than a geo metro? I know this describes none of you guys - just venting. Drove 600 miles this weekend to Santa Cruz and back and I was constantly having to go into the right lane to pass people who camp out in the left. Didn't see any Ferraris the whole trip. Did see a porsche boxster pulling a small trailer though, ha! | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 127 Registered: 2-2002 |
F***ING HELL WHART!!! That's beyond shocking... were you in the 550 Barchetta? Was he jealous? What did he want? I'll tell you something though, if you ever need to get away from a freak bastard like that you've got the right machine..... I'm still gasping. Thank God the UK has made hanguns illegal..... | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2001 |
Whart, I've heard of some strange stories involving P-car owners, but that one beats them all. LOL. Thank goodness you were ok. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 172 Registered: 12-2001 |
Just a word of caution when dealing with the great unwashed out there: a long time ago, on the Pa. turnpike heading toward Pittsburgh, some ••••••• got so annoyed at me that he fired two shots at me from a large calibre (.44) handgun. When the state police pulled him over ( i reported a description of his car to the toll keeper at the next tollgate), he was packing a multitude of weapons, and admitted to shooting at me. (Don't ask, he was driving a 914/6). | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 275 Registered: 2-2001 |
My Supra has dyoned 741rwhp, which is about 870 in the engine. Of course, it has pistons, rods, cams, bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, programmable fuel and ignition ECU, etc etc. Right now it should be around 800rwhp, although I have not dynoed it. No tranny or rear mods needed, except for a three-disc HKS Clutch. It can be daily driven with no problem, AC and radio work. Total mods I would say about $15-20K, including aftermarket wheels, carbon fiber driveshaft, etc etc. Of course it cannot be compared to a Ferrari, but it is faster than practically any US street Ferrari, including Koenig Specials. Ernesto | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
New member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2001 |
I'm curious. To all you 500 plus rwshp Supras, what do you do to the engine, trany and rear end to keep them together? Are they drivable in the wet(or dry)? Tire Rack must be your best friend. | ||
| Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Member Username: Sloan83qv Post Number: 284 Registered: 3-2001 |
David, I would love to go watch your car on the dyno, let me know when your going. Paul | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member Username: Modman Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2001 |
I agree with Richelson. A lot of these brain dead people who do these things don't have a clue about the pride of owning a Ferrari. I get knucklehead encounters everytime I take out my ride, things like people revving up their lawnmower sounding exhaust systems for a race or is that a real Ferrari? nah it's a fake or like what happened yesterday on the freeway after washing my car, on the freeway,these two truckers who sprayed water while washing their windshields, Oh yeah these jerks knew what they were doing and thought it was funny, I drove alongside one of them and tried to get his attention and he was chicken •••• to look at me, well he's gonna get what's coming back to him which is a lesson he's never going to forget. I got the license plate # to track his address. Moral is don't **ck with someone you don't know in the first place. I also get a lot of people asking for a race on the street and I would reply, Have you ever raced on a real track? which most of them don't and even if they did they should know better about discipline and respect. Personally I don't care about horsepower only, if I wanted a fast powerfull car for the 1/4 mile I'd have one, but I don't care for that. There isn't a car for the same amount of money that sounds like drive like or feel like the Ferrari we drive, and that's the bottom line. Common sense brought us to this reason of choosing a Ferrari. You have to have the passion for owning an exotic car. I feel that the majority of the people who don't give respect for Ferrari owner's is because of negative feelings either stereotyping or jealousy, and some would say "I would never buy one" - but you know the answer for that easy question, a Ferrari is not for everyone, it is for one who has the desire, the passion for true exotic, true race feel, looks, etc. and you don't have to be rich to have one either. Peace.... | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
New member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2002 |
magoo hit the nail on the head. Ferrari's aren't drag racers or true flyweight sports cars. The 2JZ-GTE Supra motor can run at 900 horses as street cars. Some drifters in Japan have boosted their Supra Turbos to over 1300bhp. And these are daily drivers people. :D I'd still rather drive a Ferrari!!!!!!!! lol If you want turbos give Koenig Specials a call. rotf... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 610 Registered: 6-2001 |
Yeah, i knew what u were talking about from the start. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2188 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yeah Timn. But the Ferraris are not made to be dragsters and they perform best at top speeds and out handle other cars on the turns to pick up distance. My 308 is not meant to beat a 70 Chevelle with a 396 under the hood off the line. But top end is another story. So why should I try and drive my car like a dragster when it isn't? Get my drift? Brgds, Magoo | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 607 Registered: 6-2001 |
No, dont do that. They are made to be raced arent they? If you drove it for what is you'd be racing everyone on the street and speeding alot. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2187 Registered: 2-2001 |
Guys be proud you own a Ferrari. Just remember "Drive your Ferrari for what it is, not for what it isn't." | ||
| Edwin F Herr lll (Letsgofst)
Junior Member Username: Letsgofst Post Number: 60 Registered: 9-2001 |
My solution simply is to call the police on the cell when someone is acting in a dangerous manner. I will drive fast but never recklessly. My thrill ride starts when I see the cruisers pull the creeps over. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 126 Registered: 7-2001 |
David, Unfortunatly, no. I live in Calgary, Canada and I am too busy with school to make my way down to those meets. I am planning a trip with the supra to the states this summer, but am planning on doing Vegas and Cali. James | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1380 Registered: 12-2000 |
Norwood has several imports in the shop right now and they're making 500-700 RWHP. | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
Junior Member Username: Supraoz Post Number: 62 Registered: 9-2001 |
James, have you ever gone to the TX or Vegas meets? | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 125 Registered: 7-2001 |
Paul, I have a deal for you, which can be made into a legal contract by any of the lawyers on this board. I will transport my supra down to your town, and dyno it. If it doesn't make more than 480hp at the rear wheels on ANY chassis dyno, I will simply sign the pink slip and you can own my car. If it does make more, I get your car. Once I have your car, I will do a double or nothing and crank the boost up. If it doesn't make more than 500hp at the rear wheels, you get your car back and my car also. If it does, I simply keep your car. My car made 457hp at the REAR on low boost in Calgary which is a few thousand feet above sea level. I suggest you watch the video that I posted on this thread to see what supras are capable of. And I have over 18 videos similar to the one I posted of various twinner and single turbo supras making big power. I am very serious about this Paul, I could use the money from selling your car to buy a lexus sc300 and drop in a supra motor. | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
Junior Member Username: Supraoz Post Number: 61 Registered: 9-2001 |
LOL Thanks Paul, your welcome to join me at the dyno this week. | ||
| Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Member Username: Sloan83qv Post Number: 283 Registered: 3-2001 |
480 rear wheel HP, in your dreams. Time to for a dyno (lie detector). | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
Junior Member Username: Supraoz Post Number: 60 Registered: 9-2001 |
Watch out for those Supras. I own one and recently did some mods to produce 480rwhp. It may be faster than any Ferrari out there but it sure doesn't feel better than our 308 | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
New member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2002 |
Just race him to 120mph and shut his mouth. It's a Ferrari. It was born to run. They're a freaking F1 team. Sheesh. Stevens Creek though? Probably a bunch of traffic. Not the smartest thing to do. lol... I'm such a hipocrite... | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 112 Registered: 11-2001 |
I'm still young and immature but I still keep it safe. When people ask me to race I say sure meet me at Summit Point on the next track day. | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2001 |
Well I have one. I was on the freeway driving a little bit faster than traffic, when a young kid in a new mustang pulled up. He smiled and I smiled back and nodded my head. He and I where driving fast together, not racing just rolling together pretty fast. As we where zipping down the freeway we came up on slower traffic. Well there was this guy is a Boxter and he saw us. The fast lane was jammed, so I moved over to the far right to get around them. Well the Boxter then moved in front of me. Now you know when someone is driving slow just to irritate you, cause they keep getting slower and then when you speed up to get around they speed up so you can't. To cut to the chase. There was an on ramp that turned into a lane for about a half mile comming up. So to make sure the blockhead in the Boxter knew what I was gonna do, I put my blinker on and started to inch my car into the lane. I was figuring that he was gonna do something to tick me off again, so I left it in 3rd. Sure enough when I pulled into the lane he bocked me. Well this time I kept my foot planted to the floor, and moved into the emergency lane, shifted to 4th, passed then pulled in front of him, he got mad and held down the horn. While I was pulling away from him I thrust my arm in the air and gave him the bird, then accelerated to about 130mph before I decided to slow down. The kid in the mustang caught up about two miles down the road. With a huge smile on his face he was shaking his arm with a thumbs up and saying yeah!!!! I gave him a peace sign. Then he got off the freeway and I continued on my way. No it wasn't the smartest thing to do but I wasn't about to get punked in my Ferrari by a lop in a Boxter. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2080 Registered: 2-2001 |
The only time I can say I genuinely tried to race someone was when this guy in a Camaro was like harassing me all the way through town (I go real slow all the time, maybe only like 5mph over at most). When you get through town it opens up into two lanes for a bit where this road intersects with route 17. He of course took off and I pinned it to the floor in second. He was out accelerating me, but then we both had to take the exit and I had the line, he ducked in behind me. The entrance ramp is a slow sweeper to the right and then into another to the left, then it's another one to the right to get on the highway and merge. Needless to say after this his American Muscle was like lost in the scenery. Goes to show you how anyone can go fast in a straight line on the street. He went blowing by me at like 90mph on the highway about a mile down. LOL. Oh there was one other time when a guy in an Audi TT convertible (could you get any gayer?) with his girlfriend made some Ahole comment to me along the lines of taking Daddy's car out tonight. I of course responded with my tried and true "Did you take Daddy's dildo in the ass tonight, prick." He revved up that thing and I laughed, the light turned green and I just buried him. I was like are you serious. Those are my only two stories, I know they're weak. I don't really race much. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 124 Registered: 7-2001 |
Manu, How are you working out your flywheel to rear wheel hp conversion??? As an aside, I have a 1998 twinner supra with some minor bolt on mods and I put down 457hp at the rear wheels, in Calgary which is a few thousand feet above sea level. My buddy in texas put down 755 at the rear wheels on his supra. Here is a video of a big hp supra http://www.mkiv.com/videoarchive/avi-mpg/bryce_dyno_t2k.zip You have to unzip it, but it's worth it. | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
New member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2002 |
All it is is just a bunch of punks who see a nice car and want to race it, if you were that young and im-mature and didnt appreciate Ferrari's im sure we would all do the same thing... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 663 Registered: 12-2001 |
I don't understand why they feel they need to race. I assume they have to prove something or justify some notion. When I take the Ferrari out I prefer driving and enjoying my Ferrari. If you want to race save it for the track. | ||
| Mark Freeman (Mrpc12)
New member Username: Mrpc12 Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2001 |
Oh. And his license plate was VPR KILR or something like that. | ||
| Chris Coleman (Dmc4cc)
New member Username: Dmc4cc Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2001 |
460hp at the rear wheels is not optomistic in a Supra, its very realistic. I work at ROsen Autosport which tunes all sorts of Jap cars and some guy who's poured 60,000 into a 1994 Supra (Built motor, 23psi of boost) got 880hp at the rear wheels. If I didn't see it on the dynomometer I wouldn't have believed it. But Jap Crap and American Muscle can roast Ferrari's in straight lines but thats not really engineering, that biug engine little car formula. | ||
| Tim Gendreau (Tim)
New member Username: Tim Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2002 |
I had a huge problem with this when I had my TR. doesn't seem to be a problem with the F40. no one even wants to try.....so far. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member Username: Whart Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2001 |
I usually just wave them by, and if necessary, go into the right lane if i am not in the mood. The bigger problem is getting "buzzed" which(as Acw reports) involves a car swooping in and out, in front,behind and around me, as if to taunt me or just to signify the buzzard's approval. Otherwise,if somebody outthere seems to be a mature driver, and they just want to give both cars a chance to run (without having to dodge traffic or engage in other stupidity ), i will give the other guy the opportunity, no matter what he or she is driving: muscle,turbo rice, big european, or other sporting types. Trying to keep up with sport bikes is often fun, but like the cops chasing that flying saucer in Close Encounters, i have to remember than i'm only a car, not a bike. Frankly, when i ran with a bunch of F cars in the forza mille a few years ago, i was surprised at the degree of abandon exhibited by ferrari drivers on public roads, thru villages, etc. We don't hold the franchise on maturity, either. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 124 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ken, unless you're asked to race by other Ferrari owners then whether you 'lose' or not (even though you chose not to race) - YOU'RE DRIVING A FABULOUS FERRARI - the moral victory will always be yours. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
New member Username: Kdross Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have owned my 308 QV for about 2 months and have been asked to race about 100 times already. This car really attracts a lot of attention. If I were to race everyone who asked me, I would loose just about every race and need a new clutch weekly. I just politely wave and drive away. Besides, most cars that offer to race me are much faster than the 308 QV. Ken 1985 308 QV | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 122 Registered: 2-2002 |
These guys are idiots.... Incidentally, how old were they? It strikes me as the sort of thing kids do. (BTW: 460HP AT THE REAR WHEELS!!!! Must get 600+hp at the crank - being a little optimistic perhaps???) | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 192 Registered: 12-2001 |
these situations are all too common unfortunately. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Junior Member Username: Study Post Number: 205 Registered: 10-2001 |
AW- you need a sign to flash "Too many punks, not enough time!" I did see a cool photo of a 308 where the guy got "KEEP RIGHT" with a big arrow spelled backwards (so driver looking in rear view mirror could read it) and he had it in his front windsheild. | ||
| acw (Acw)
New member Username: Acw Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2002 |
2 weeks ago, I was going back from work on 17 in my 360 (OK it is red). Some dude in a Camaro wanted a race. He started to tailgate me, flashed lights, passed me, used his flashing warning lights, used his break to slow me down, etc... After 5 minutes or so (I was trying to ignore him), he gave me a finger and floored his car. Ferraris really attract all kind of attention. I have never seen this with other cars including a 996 turbo. Are you guys used to these situations or are they rare and I have just been unlucky? AW | ||
| Mark Freeman (Mrpc12)
New member Username: Mrpc12 Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2001 |
I'm drivng down Stevens Creek Blvd. and this guy in a Supra tails me and then pulls up next to me and asks me if I want to race. I asked him what he had in there and he said a Turbo with 460HP at the wheels. I politely declined. Told him I was driving around without license plates and didn't want to attract any more attention than a Red 550 normally does. |